DVD is dead. Long live the DVD!
On 11th January, representatives of the European film industries met in London to discuss the threats posed by piracy and how the ...
“We absolutely believe that piracy is the single biggest danger facing the industry. If we don’t tackle it, we’ll be out of jobs in 10 years.”
Arriving hours early at your local cinema, everyone queuing up the street, praying the tickets didn’t run out before you’d shuffled to the kiosk, crowding into a packed theatre – all to enjoy the latest film glamorous Hollywood had to offer. Loud and proud on the big screen, there was no film viewing experience to touch it. Nothing compared to being flown through the silver screen.
Then you’d go through whole trial again as soon as possible. If you wanted to see the film quick you had no choice. Back in those nostalgic days we were a captivated and captive audience, paying for the privilege.
The times, they have a-changed. Rapidly.
Last Wednesday in the UK, Dixons announced that it would no longer sell VHS units – it’s not worth their time anymore. DVD players have become now standard for private movie watching. Home-based hardware is getting better and cheaper all the time, so people across the global territories are paying for DVDs to bring a high quality, theatre-challenging experience into their homes, rather than just visit the cinema - and to get much more, with endless repeatability and worthwhile extras enhancing the film package.
With the exponential developments in computer and digital technology, the celluloid film has also moved from the untouchable realm of the big theatre screen to the ethereal digital world, infinitely accessible by the masses around the globe.
Crucially, as a result of these advancements people are now choosing to pay far less to see and own movies than the industry would have them – if at all. Film piracy has become a worldwide, consumer-led phenomenon that’s been leaving the industry in its dust.
On 11th January, with their DVD and film revenues hemorrhaging daily, representatives of the European film industries met in London to discuss the threats posed by this piracy and how the blood-loss could possibly be stemmed.

Darcy Antonellis (senior Vice President of Warner Bros. Worldwide Anti-Piracy Operations) gave a few examples of the losses incurred by WB. Last year, [i]Shrek 2 DVD sales were much less than expected and Harry Potter 3 shifted less than half the number of units of its prequel. Twelve months ago, a random sampling of 1,000 people in France showed that 12% wouldn’t buy The Matrix Reloaded as they already had a pirate copy before the legitimate release date. This is “what kids now see as respectable behaviour,” added Antonellis. As the pirates beat the dates of most theatrical releases, the box office is taking a slashing too.
As piracy affects revenues, there is real fear that distributors will start suffering as colossal losses as the music industry did with CD sales. With Gregor Pryor, of Music Choice Ltd, warning, “online piracy has cost the music industry billions of dollars,” representatives heard that in 2003 piracy cost film businesses £3.7 billion.
As a result, the security weaknesses in DVD distribution are being put under the scalpel themselves.
“Camcording still remains as the first copy that’s made and is subsequently used as a master to make hard copy,” said Antonellis, examining the piracy chain. “We protect the film pre-release until someone camcords in the theatre, then the piracy distribution starts.” Once a soft copy is made in one country, pirate copies flood around the planet faster than the next theatrical release. With this, people then don’t see the need to pay for the high priced cinema ticket – especially if the film wasn’t that good!
“The bulk [of camcording] is in the US,” she continued, “but the behaviour repeats in other territories when we release there too – as with Harry Potter 3.”
To combat this, we are seeing more distributors organising simultaneous global theatrical releases – ‘date and day’ releasing. However, once the soft copy is out there, the revenues of legitimate DVD distributors and retailers are already threatened.
“The situation’s horrendous,” said Alex Sparks, MD and Senior Vice President of Blockbusters. “With 700 stores around the country we’re certainly on the frontline experiencing it.” He continued: “People want the hot stuff that’s at the cinema. I think sales go down because they’re saying, ‘I’ve seen it already.’”
With the soft master copy uploaded on the net, within 24 hours hard copies are then sold on the street with pre-prepared packaging in any territory at dirt-cheap prices. Of course, ripping from a legitimate original disc (once obtained) as the master is another route which the pirates can take.
The significantly improving quality of pirate hard copies and packaging offers attractive alternatives to the real deal, months before it is available in stores. Research has shown that even if the quality of the pirate disc is substandard, some viewers will accept this because they paid so little (or nothing) in the first place.
The most prevalent traffic of pirated, copyright infringing soft copy is peer2peer file-sharing. Analysis commissioned from market research agency IPSOS has shown that this is becoming common across most demographics of people accessing the net, who know its illegal but hold “a soft moral obligation to this.” Quality and download times are determining most people’s choices more than anything else, as it is perceived as a victimless crime with no fear of prosecution. It appears to be most common amongst European teenagers, with 24% of young women and 35% of young men downloading movies illegally (compared to 16% of all net users).
The essential point here is that to watch the film the downloader is accessing digital content. There may be no need for the actual DVD disc anymore – unless he actually wants to burn his own copy. The issue shifts to managing the physically shapeless digital data. More of this later.

So, the industry is fighting back at hard and soft pirate copy. How?
A multi-disciplinary, long-term strategy has already begun, supported by relevant film producers and bodies (such as the Federation Against Copyright Theft, the Motion Picture Association, the Motion Picture Association of America, etc), encompassing a number of initiatives, such as:
In all, these are disparate approaches but they all move in the same direction, they all share a common sense of urgency.
“Criminal groups and increasingly entrepreneurial citizens are now making a lot of money,” surmised Raymond Leinster, Director General of FACT.
The industry admits it won’t be able to beat the pirates; they just want to be one of two steps behind them. With pirated discs, however, it faces a doomed inevitability over pricing.
The industry has to back the whole process of making the movie through to retailing the disc; the pirate just copies the end result. With obviously much lower overheads, the pirate discs can be sold on for a tiny fraction of the legit retail price tag.
“People just want to buy it cheaper, to get something for nothing. The industry cannot compete with piracy pricing. They have an 800% profit margin,” commented Dara MacGreevy, Regional Director of the Motion Picture Association. “
In comparison, Rob Jongmans, Exec. Vice President of Buena Vista Home Entertainment Europe, broke down the costs behind a legit DVD:
“33% goes to distribution costs - disc manufacture, packaging, shipping, advertising, marketing, etc; 27% is taken by the government; 19% goes on retailer costs [staff, mark-up, etc]; and 17% goes towards the film’s production costs. Leaving 4%. This is what the studio uses to invest in new productions.”
“The Hollywood cat isn’t really that fat,” he concluded.
Whether the average DVD buyer would believe such statements, though, is debatable and the lowest price will always win out.
“One of the biggest challenges is to remove the rose-coloured glasses of the consumer who has no sympathy for big Hollywood studios,” added Jongmans. So, it is clear what routes some advertising campaigns will embrace.
“The alternative to internet piracy is not in DVD. The future is in the internet.”

The above are really short and mid-term strategies to manage the flow of pirate discs and loss of money. But the industry cannot compete with the pirate disc manufacturers indefinitely and they will never better or even match their prices. The most efficient damage limitation exercise is aimed at ultimately doing away with the source of that damage – the DVD. The key lies in the long-term approaches to combating illegal filesharing.
A study by the OECD (Organisation for Economic Co-Operation and Development) in 2003 showed that peer2peer video sharing and its software was continuing to grow, despite prosecution and negative publicity campaigns.
Last year their research showed that illegal movie and TV downloads accounted for more than 34% of downloads over peer2peer networks such as KaZaA, Limewire and Bearshare.
This trend is likely to continue as more people access appropriate bandwidths. Arash Amel, Screen Digest’s senior analyst, said, “In 2004, total broadband households outstripped digital pay-TV households in Europe for the first time. By 2008, he concluded, “about 200 million households will be looking to have broadband.”
Very swift advances in broadband or increased bandwidth speeds are going to lead to seriously competitive subscription charges to access them. Much more efficient downloading technologies are coming too, of course. So, it's just going to get cheaper and easier for people to download more content and with more quality.
So rather than fight against the progressing technologies that are enabling illegal film-sharing, the industry is sucking in its communal gut to embrace the online media models. It is inevitable for its survival. They want to get in on the activities that illegal downloaders are enjoying and turn them legal, for a price.
Film companies are already getting the Internet Service Providers on board quite easily. The revenues that the ISPs were getting from subscriptions to customers (to access broadband etc) have levelled off. With that bandwidth market looking to get aggressively competitive, prices will fall even more and the ISPs are looking to get that revenue back (and to capitalise on their initial investments in setting it up). As a result, they're looking to sell quality content that customers will want. And we want movies and everything that goes with 'em!
In the future there will be intensive investment in and marketing of online services, to tempt consumers to pay for film content at competitive prices and to stick with a favoured brand or two. The aim is to improve on the services that pirates offer.
“Pirates are very good at providing decent copies of things, but are very hard pressed to provide a subscription service – it must exist over time,” said Rob Schuman of Cinea (a subsidiary of Dolby Labs).
Looking again to the music industry, Greg Pryor said, “Apple has shown that online content can make money for the industry. People will buy innovative and exciting content.”
Good news for the consumer then if the film industry moves to online distribution, as it will have to provide services that are so much better than piracy networks that people will be willing to pay for them again.
Indeed, Movielink offers online film within the US already, and people are waiting to see how successful it will prove.
People will still want to share the content they’ve bought and will always find a way. Again, the industry is looking to support this, rather than fight against and criminalise its customers again. Effective but flexible Digital Rights Management technology (DMR) is the key to making this workable. Once it can ensure digital content will be sold and distributed securely, there will be no turning back.
However, at present painfully slow speeds and disrupted downloading can frustrate getting movies from the net – and the industry knows people will be turned off paying for such a sketchy service. But not for too long…
‘Internet 2’ is on the digital horizon. Already in use in some academic and research institutions around the world, it is still very specialised but is effortlessly shifting enormous amounts of data. Earlier this month two separate international teams announced new Internet2 Land Speed records by sending over 6 gigbits of information per second across half the planet.
The film industry, conscious that it needs to be ahead of the game next time round, is waking to the possibilities that the next net revolution will herald. The future of films at home is online. The present problems involved in easily and legally distributing films to consumers in their own homes will eventually be resolved.
As a precursor to this technology, the Advanced Access Content System has been developed, backed by a consortium of, amongst others, IBM, Microsoft, Intel, Sony, Warner Bros and Disney. The AACS aims to be a universal DMR system that will allow authorised copying and sharing or content, and will provide safe environments for businesses to supply content (i.e. films) direct to the next generation of DVD players and recorders.
Once they can figure out how to protect it and get us to pay for it online, it will be so much cheaper than making, marketing, distributing and retailing DVD to us, and make the (pirate or legit) hard copy market redundant. For years the industry has seen the DVD as a ‘golden goose’, or rather a ‘cash cow’ to be milked for every drop, but is already predicting slumps in the market:
“There was 12% growth last year,” said Marek Antoniak, MD of Columbia Tristar Home Entertainment. “There may be growth this year but less than 12%. Probably in 2006 the market will mature.”
From then on the only way for sales is down.
It is ironic that the internet so effectively enabled the piracy of films and now may play a significant role in its demise. Is piracy driving the DVD to a premature end? The industry may well force-feed us this notion as part of its campaigns, but I see this rather as the positive evolution of the technology. ‘On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.’
While the next generation of DVDs, such as HR and Blu-Ray will get here first, they will eventually be surpassed by the soft digital format. iPods and the like mean people no longer collect CDs; in a very foreseeable future, your movie collection will be similarly stored. Your amalgamated home entertainment systems and the delivery of media and films to it will be the key.
Screen Digest’s chief analyst Ben Keen argued, “The technology for unlocking doors is more important. Letting people move the content to other devices in the home that are authorised for this and to devices outside of the homes that can be used for sharing. This needs to be embraced with maximum flexibility, supported by the new technologies.”
Ultimately, the film industry is on the cusp of a paradigm shift. It is facing real challenges to its established business models, just as it did when television threatened in earnest after WW2. Online media and its exponential advances are forcing the change. Having seen the music industry get sufficiently burnt, you can rest assured that the Movie Men are not going to be sluggish.
But neither will the pirates.

Well, it’s still going to take a while to get there. The sky is clear at present so DVDs will continue to be released in their hundreds of thousands and provide the best format for watching films at home.
The HR and Blu-Ray discs will give superbly improved quality and storage capabilities but any new hardware will almost certainly play your old discs as well.
It’s likely that we’re going to get new films on disc more quickly and some more reasonable pricing may seep across the market as distributors look to keep paying customers loyal. As the cash cow dries up, the DVD market can only become even more consumer-led. Distributors know that wavering prices, lame packages and repeated releases are frustrating the paying customer (who doesn’t feel cheated when they have to double-dip?). So it’s possible that the quicker first time releases may also be more accomplished, comprehensive and attractively priced than ever before. And we can only benefit from this.
The industry knows that if they don’t deliver, all those customers will just 'look' elsewhere.
Editorial by Paul Griffiths
John Woodward, CEO - UK Film Council
Remember when …
There was once a time when seeing the next blockbuster was something of an enjoyable ordeal. A mission that required as much stamina to accomplish as it did to control your enthusiasm during the months of publicity mega-phoning.Arriving hours early at your local cinema, everyone queuing up the street, praying the tickets didn’t run out before you’d shuffled to the kiosk, crowding into a packed theatre – all to enjoy the latest film glamorous Hollywood had to offer. Loud and proud on the big screen, there was no film viewing experience to touch it. Nothing compared to being flown through the silver screen.
Then you’d go through whole trial again as soon as possible. If you wanted to see the film quick you had no choice. Back in those nostalgic days we were a captivated and captive audience, paying for the privilege.
The times, they have a-changed. Rapidly.
Last Wednesday in the UK, Dixons announced that it would no longer sell VHS units – it’s not worth their time anymore. DVD players have become now standard for private movie watching. Home-based hardware is getting better and cheaper all the time, so people across the global territories are paying for DVDs to bring a high quality, theatre-challenging experience into their homes, rather than just visit the cinema - and to get much more, with endless repeatability and worthwhile extras enhancing the film package.
With the exponential developments in computer and digital technology, the celluloid film has also moved from the untouchable realm of the big theatre screen to the ethereal digital world, infinitely accessible by the masses around the globe.
Crucially, as a result of these advancements people are now choosing to pay far less to see and own movies than the industry would have them – if at all. Film piracy has become a worldwide, consumer-led phenomenon that’s been leaving the industry in its dust.
On 11th January, with their DVD and film revenues hemorrhaging daily, representatives of the European film industries met in London to discuss the threats posed by this piracy and how the blood-loss could possibly be stemmed.

Bleeding wounds
Darcy Antonellis (senior Vice President of Warner Bros. Worldwide Anti-Piracy Operations) gave a few examples of the losses incurred by WB. Last year, [i]Shrek 2 DVD sales were much less than expected and Harry Potter 3 shifted less than half the number of units of its prequel. Twelve months ago, a random sampling of 1,000 people in France showed that 12% wouldn’t buy The Matrix Reloaded as they already had a pirate copy before the legitimate release date. This is “what kids now see as respectable behaviour,” added Antonellis. As the pirates beat the dates of most theatrical releases, the box office is taking a slashing too.
As piracy affects revenues, there is real fear that distributors will start suffering as colossal losses as the music industry did with CD sales. With Gregor Pryor, of Music Choice Ltd, warning, “online piracy has cost the music industry billions of dollars,” representatives heard that in 2003 piracy cost film businesses £3.7 billion.
As a result, the security weaknesses in DVD distribution are being put under the scalpel themselves.
Hard and Soft cuts
“Camcording still remains as the first copy that’s made and is subsequently used as a master to make hard copy,” said Antonellis, examining the piracy chain. “We protect the film pre-release until someone camcords in the theatre, then the piracy distribution starts.” Once a soft copy is made in one country, pirate copies flood around the planet faster than the next theatrical release. With this, people then don’t see the need to pay for the high priced cinema ticket – especially if the film wasn’t that good!
“The bulk [of camcording] is in the US,” she continued, “but the behaviour repeats in other territories when we release there too – as with Harry Potter 3.”
To combat this, we are seeing more distributors organising simultaneous global theatrical releases – ‘date and day’ releasing. However, once the soft copy is out there, the revenues of legitimate DVD distributors and retailers are already threatened.
“The situation’s horrendous,” said Alex Sparks, MD and Senior Vice President of Blockbusters. “With 700 stores around the country we’re certainly on the frontline experiencing it.” He continued: “People want the hot stuff that’s at the cinema. I think sales go down because they’re saying, ‘I’ve seen it already.’”
With the soft master copy uploaded on the net, within 24 hours hard copies are then sold on the street with pre-prepared packaging in any territory at dirt-cheap prices. Of course, ripping from a legitimate original disc (once obtained) as the master is another route which the pirates can take.
The significantly improving quality of pirate hard copies and packaging offers attractive alternatives to the real deal, months before it is available in stores. Research has shown that even if the quality of the pirate disc is substandard, some viewers will accept this because they paid so little (or nothing) in the first place.
The most prevalent traffic of pirated, copyright infringing soft copy is peer2peer file-sharing. Analysis commissioned from market research agency IPSOS has shown that this is becoming common across most demographics of people accessing the net, who know its illegal but hold “a soft moral obligation to this.” Quality and download times are determining most people’s choices more than anything else, as it is perceived as a victimless crime with no fear of prosecution. It appears to be most common amongst European teenagers, with 24% of young women and 35% of young men downloading movies illegally (compared to 16% of all net users).
The essential point here is that to watch the film the downloader is accessing digital content. There may be no need for the actual DVD disc anymore – unless he actually wants to burn his own copy. The issue shifts to managing the physically shapeless digital data. More of this later.

Stitching up its wounds
So, the industry is fighting back at hard and soft pirate copy. How?
A multi-disciplinary, long-term strategy has already begun, supported by relevant film producers and bodies (such as the Federation Against Copyright Theft, the Motion Picture Association, the Motion Picture Association of America, etc), encompassing a number of initiatives, such as:
- Security will continue to tighten across the film production, post-production and distribution processes to prevent leakage.
- Theatrical day ‘n’ date releases will continue, followed by accelerated DVD releases to close down the pirates’ window of opportunity. (Simultaneous theatrical and DVD releases were briefly speculated, but this was scoffed at due to costs, and, one imagines, because of the potential of lost theatrical revenue).
- Governments will be lobbied to pass tougher piracy and copyright legislation nationally and local authorities pushed to take prosecuting action against localised pirating networks.
- Localised law enforcement bodies will be called upon to press for convictions.
- More raids (such as on eDonkey and BitTorrent) and lawsuits will be pursued, along with the faster suspension of auction sites, such as eBay, when pirated goods are being sold. There will be as much publicity as possible to make people aware of these when they happen.
- Aggressive advertising to highlight the issue in people’s minds. Adverts are already showing with much more regularity in cinemas and on rental stores’ internal TV systems. Some companies are also releasing these ads with their films.
- Education and public policies will be pursued, aimed squarely at changing the public’s understanding of the issues. They are looking to convince consumers that some pirate goods are linked to organised crime (and possibly fund offshore terrorism, etc), that there are victims (be it illegal immigrant street-sellers, or through effects on local economies as independent video stores fold, shop workers are laid off, etc), and to reinforce the illegality of piracy and content theft and that people can and will be prosecuted. Some companies have already instigated outreach programmes in schools and universities, institutions where filesharing networks are very well established for younger consumers.
- Customs and Excise work will continue to be supported (1.69 million illegal discs were seized coming into the UK last year) across Europe – a 2328% rise in three years.
- ‘Cam-jamming’ technology is being developed – ways of actually disrupting the digital camcording that takes place in theatres whilst not impacting on the visual experience for the cinema-goer. This is seen as an integral part of the coming digital cinemas and may well involve direct modifications to the projectors.
In all, these are disparate approaches but they all move in the same direction, they all share a common sense of urgency.
Price Dice
“Criminal groups and increasingly entrepreneurial citizens are now making a lot of money,” surmised Raymond Leinster, Director General of FACT.
The industry admits it won’t be able to beat the pirates; they just want to be one of two steps behind them. With pirated discs, however, it faces a doomed inevitability over pricing.
The industry has to back the whole process of making the movie through to retailing the disc; the pirate just copies the end result. With obviously much lower overheads, the pirate discs can be sold on for a tiny fraction of the legit retail price tag.
“People just want to buy it cheaper, to get something for nothing. The industry cannot compete with piracy pricing. They have an 800% profit margin,” commented Dara MacGreevy, Regional Director of the Motion Picture Association. “
In comparison, Rob Jongmans, Exec. Vice President of Buena Vista Home Entertainment Europe, broke down the costs behind a legit DVD:
“33% goes to distribution costs - disc manufacture, packaging, shipping, advertising, marketing, etc; 27% is taken by the government; 19% goes on retailer costs [staff, mark-up, etc]; and 17% goes towards the film’s production costs. Leaving 4%. This is what the studio uses to invest in new productions.”
“The Hollywood cat isn’t really that fat,” he concluded.
Whether the average DVD buyer would believe such statements, though, is debatable and the lowest price will always win out.
“One of the biggest challenges is to remove the rose-coloured glasses of the consumer who has no sympathy for big Hollywood studios,” added Jongmans. So, it is clear what routes some advertising campaigns will embrace.
“The alternative to internet piracy is not in DVD. The future is in the internet.”
Tim Kuik, Director of BREIN (private Anti-Piracy organisation in the Netherlands)

The above are really short and mid-term strategies to manage the flow of pirate discs and loss of money. But the industry cannot compete with the pirate disc manufacturers indefinitely and they will never better or even match their prices. The most efficient damage limitation exercise is aimed at ultimately doing away with the source of that damage – the DVD. The key lies in the long-term approaches to combating illegal filesharing.
‘To infinity, and beyond!’
A study by the OECD (Organisation for Economic Co-Operation and Development) in 2003 showed that peer2peer video sharing and its software was continuing to grow, despite prosecution and negative publicity campaigns.
Last year their research showed that illegal movie and TV downloads accounted for more than 34% of downloads over peer2peer networks such as KaZaA, Limewire and Bearshare.
This trend is likely to continue as more people access appropriate bandwidths. Arash Amel, Screen Digest’s senior analyst, said, “In 2004, total broadband households outstripped digital pay-TV households in Europe for the first time. By 2008, he concluded, “about 200 million households will be looking to have broadband.”
Very swift advances in broadband or increased bandwidth speeds are going to lead to seriously competitive subscription charges to access them. Much more efficient downloading technologies are coming too, of course. So, it's just going to get cheaper and easier for people to download more content and with more quality.
So rather than fight against the progressing technologies that are enabling illegal film-sharing, the industry is sucking in its communal gut to embrace the online media models. It is inevitable for its survival. They want to get in on the activities that illegal downloaders are enjoying and turn them legal, for a price.
Film companies are already getting the Internet Service Providers on board quite easily. The revenues that the ISPs were getting from subscriptions to customers (to access broadband etc) have levelled off. With that bandwidth market looking to get aggressively competitive, prices will fall even more and the ISPs are looking to get that revenue back (and to capitalise on their initial investments in setting it up). As a result, they're looking to sell quality content that customers will want. And we want movies and everything that goes with 'em!
In the future there will be intensive investment in and marketing of online services, to tempt consumers to pay for film content at competitive prices and to stick with a favoured brand or two. The aim is to improve on the services that pirates offer.
“Pirates are very good at providing decent copies of things, but are very hard pressed to provide a subscription service – it must exist over time,” said Rob Schuman of Cinea (a subsidiary of Dolby Labs).
Looking again to the music industry, Greg Pryor said, “Apple has shown that online content can make money for the industry. People will buy innovative and exciting content.”
Good news for the consumer then if the film industry moves to online distribution, as it will have to provide services that are so much better than piracy networks that people will be willing to pay for them again.
Indeed, Movielink offers online film within the US already, and people are waiting to see how successful it will prove.
People will still want to share the content they’ve bought and will always find a way. Again, the industry is looking to support this, rather than fight against and criminalise its customers again. Effective but flexible Digital Rights Management technology (DMR) is the key to making this workable. Once it can ensure digital content will be sold and distributed securely, there will be no turning back.
However, at present painfully slow speeds and disrupted downloading can frustrate getting movies from the net – and the industry knows people will be turned off paying for such a sketchy service. But not for too long…
‘It is inevitable, Mr Anderson.’
‘Internet 2’ is on the digital horizon. Already in use in some academic and research institutions around the world, it is still very specialised but is effortlessly shifting enormous amounts of data. Earlier this month two separate international teams announced new Internet2 Land Speed records by sending over 6 gigbits of information per second across half the planet.
The film industry, conscious that it needs to be ahead of the game next time round, is waking to the possibilities that the next net revolution will herald. The future of films at home is online. The present problems involved in easily and legally distributing films to consumers in their own homes will eventually be resolved.
As a precursor to this technology, the Advanced Access Content System has been developed, backed by a consortium of, amongst others, IBM, Microsoft, Intel, Sony, Warner Bros and Disney. The AACS aims to be a universal DMR system that will allow authorised copying and sharing or content, and will provide safe environments for businesses to supply content (i.e. films) direct to the next generation of DVD players and recorders.
Once they can figure out how to protect it and get us to pay for it online, it will be so much cheaper than making, marketing, distributing and retailing DVD to us, and make the (pirate or legit) hard copy market redundant. For years the industry has seen the DVD as a ‘golden goose’, or rather a ‘cash cow’ to be milked for every drop, but is already predicting slumps in the market:
“There was 12% growth last year,” said Marek Antoniak, MD of Columbia Tristar Home Entertainment. “There may be growth this year but less than 12%. Probably in 2006 the market will mature.”
From then on the only way for sales is down.
... here lies the DVD, R.I.P.
It is ironic that the internet so effectively enabled the piracy of films and now may play a significant role in its demise. Is piracy driving the DVD to a premature end? The industry may well force-feed us this notion as part of its campaigns, but I see this rather as the positive evolution of the technology. ‘On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.’
While the next generation of DVDs, such as HR and Blu-Ray will get here first, they will eventually be surpassed by the soft digital format. iPods and the like mean people no longer collect CDs; in a very foreseeable future, your movie collection will be similarly stored. Your amalgamated home entertainment systems and the delivery of media and films to it will be the key.
Screen Digest’s chief analyst Ben Keen argued, “The technology for unlocking doors is more important. Letting people move the content to other devices in the home that are authorised for this and to devices outside of the homes that can be used for sharing. This needs to be embraced with maximum flexibility, supported by the new technologies.”
Ultimately, the film industry is on the cusp of a paradigm shift. It is facing real challenges to its established business models, just as it did when television threatened in earnest after WW2. Online media and its exponential advances are forcing the change. Having seen the music industry get sufficiently burnt, you can rest assured that the Movie Men are not going to be sluggish.
But neither will the pirates.

‘What are we holding onto, Sam?’
Well, it’s still going to take a while to get there. The sky is clear at present so DVDs will continue to be released in their hundreds of thousands and provide the best format for watching films at home.
The HR and Blu-Ray discs will give superbly improved quality and storage capabilities but any new hardware will almost certainly play your old discs as well.
It’s likely that we’re going to get new films on disc more quickly and some more reasonable pricing may seep across the market as distributors look to keep paying customers loyal. As the cash cow dries up, the DVD market can only become even more consumer-led. Distributors know that wavering prices, lame packages and repeated releases are frustrating the paying customer (who doesn’t feel cheated when they have to double-dip?). So it’s possible that the quicker first time releases may also be more accomplished, comprehensive and attractively priced than ever before. And we can only benefit from this.
The industry knows that if they don’t deliver, all those customers will just 'look' elsewhere.
Editorial by Paul Griffiths
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Thanks Bean.
shrek 2
This is a little off topic but i am intrigued. Chris Gould mentioned that the UK disc of Shrek 2 was censored but it is not mentioned on the BBFC site. Any more information?
I totally agree with the thoughts on MP3 and music - I have bought lots more CDs through being able to sample them first.
I would never buy a pirate DVD purely because of the poor quality, sure they are cheap but you get what you pay for. Someone mentioned that if you watch a DVD then you dont have to listen to teenagers chatting or mobile phones but if you get a pirate then you still have to contend with these things as they are mostly filmed in the back of cinemas.
I may sound like a goody two shoes but I will always wait for official releases of films.
'Double dippers' can take a long walk off a short pier though!
I totally agree with the thoughts on MP3 and music - I have bought lots more CDs through being able to sample them first.
I would never buy a pirate DVD purely because of the poor quality, sure they are cheap but you get what you pay for. Someone mentioned that if you watch a DVD then you dont have to listen to teenagers chatting or mobile phones but if you get a pirate then you still have to contend with these things as they are mostly filmed in the back of cinemas.
I may sound like a goody two shoes but I will always wait for official releases of films.
'Double dippers' can take a long walk off a short pier though!
A couple of ideas...
I admit it! I download movies. But I do buy the originals of most of the ones I download. What gets me is the constant use of scare tactics, telling the pirate movie buyer that this activity is funding terrorists and mobsters. This has been used since the days of video piracy and will continue to be used again and again.
Granted this will probably stop a few based on fear, especially in our current climate.
I have a huge DVD collection of 400+ original titles but I do like to try before I buy. When it boils down to it one mans idea of a good move is another mans Ishtar!In the long run I could pop down to my local multiplex and buy a £6 ticket to watch Tom Cruise in Collateral and hate it (like I did). If I, instead, waited and bought the same movie on DVD I could watch it and take it back if I didn't like it! I've seen the movie and not paid a penny. Don't tell me I can't, I done it numerous times.
Why don't the movie industry go the itunes route and let us download the movie in Divx format £6 with an option to buy the dvd later...I know the complications and piracy ramifications of this and again who's gonna buy a movie when it's there for free!
Piracy is a nasty word, and for us casual users of P2P who are still supporting the industry with our hard earned cash at the end of the day, it's not all clear cut.
Surely a movie boss would prefer the likes of me to buy the original or pay the cinema ticket. Case-in-point "The Incredibles". I saw this at my local DLP equipped cinema...I loved it...the first words I spoke after watching it were "That's going on the DVD purchase list".
Then I happened to see it, a week later, as a DVD Screener online. I went to the forum to see what people whos had already downloaded it were saying...most comments ran like this...
"Awsome film and this screener is top quality...will be buying this one as soon as it's out!"
I'd say 98% of all post on that forum had the same jist! So I downloaded it and have watched it 6 times and will be buying the original on February 15th!
Okay some won't buy it, O understand that but this is why it's not clear cut.
My concern is if the industry are so against piracy why produce DVD screeners? who really needs them? I mean which cinema isn't gonna run Incredibles or other blockbusters that are currently available on screeners?
And this whole question of staggered release dates in wordwide multiplexes. Why are more cinemas getting on board the digital projection bandwaggon? I visit the Printworks UCI in Manchester regulary to watch movies in DLP (Digital Light Projection)and the quality is stunning. You get a pristine movie with no pops and clicks or picture jump and it never wears out. The reason for the staggered release is that the movie industry are still using costly film taht we get after the U.S. run! Go DLP, I have a DLP projector at home and I very rarely go the cinema anymore!
Okay sorry for the rant but I had to get on my soapbox!
Granted this will probably stop a few based on fear, especially in our current climate.
I have a huge DVD collection of 400+ original titles but I do like to try before I buy. When it boils down to it one mans idea of a good move is another mans Ishtar!In the long run I could pop down to my local multiplex and buy a £6 ticket to watch Tom Cruise in Collateral and hate it (like I did). If I, instead, waited and bought the same movie on DVD I could watch it and take it back if I didn't like it! I've seen the movie and not paid a penny. Don't tell me I can't, I done it numerous times.
Why don't the movie industry go the itunes route and let us download the movie in Divx format £6 with an option to buy the dvd later...I know the complications and piracy ramifications of this and again who's gonna buy a movie when it's there for free!
Piracy is a nasty word, and for us casual users of P2P who are still supporting the industry with our hard earned cash at the end of the day, it's not all clear cut.
Surely a movie boss would prefer the likes of me to buy the original or pay the cinema ticket. Case-in-point "The Incredibles". I saw this at my local DLP equipped cinema...I loved it...the first words I spoke after watching it were "That's going on the DVD purchase list".
Then I happened to see it, a week later, as a DVD Screener online. I went to the forum to see what people whos had already downloaded it were saying...most comments ran like this...
"Awsome film and this screener is top quality...will be buying this one as soon as it's out!"
I'd say 98% of all post on that forum had the same jist! So I downloaded it and have watched it 6 times and will be buying the original on February 15th!
Okay some won't buy it, O understand that but this is why it's not clear cut.
My concern is if the industry are so against piracy why produce DVD screeners? who really needs them? I mean which cinema isn't gonna run Incredibles or other blockbusters that are currently available on screeners?
And this whole question of staggered release dates in wordwide multiplexes. Why are more cinemas getting on board the digital projection bandwaggon? I visit the Printworks UCI in Manchester regulary to watch movies in DLP (Digital Light Projection)and the quality is stunning. You get a pristine movie with no pops and clicks or picture jump and it never wears out. The reason for the staggered release is that the movie industry are still using costly film taht we get after the U.S. run! Go DLP, I have a DLP projector at home and I very rarely go the cinema anymore!
Okay sorry for the rant but I had to get on my soapbox!
Shrek 2 was cut by the filmmakers prior to classification after consultation with the BBFC.
The head butt at the end was replaced with a chop to the neck because head butts fall into the BBFC's dangerous 'imitable techniques' category. Of course, chopping someone in the neck is in no way imitable or dangerous...
Secondly, a line of dialogue was altered for what I can only assume to be politically correct reasons. In the original the King says his old crusade wound is acting up. On the DVD it's changed to hunting wound. The fact that the king is voiced by John Cleese, and that the joke is clearly a reference to Basil Fawlty's old line about his war wound playing up seems to have been ignored. To my knowledge this affects every DVD release bar the R1 (even the R3, which is normally identical to the R1, although that has the head butt).
Worst of all, the voices of genuine personalities such as Larry King and Joan Rivers have been replaced by nobodies like Jonathan Ross and Kate 'Bland as Fuck' Thornton. This totally ruins the joke about the ugly sister having a manly voice, because Ross sounds like a girly girl. The CGI model of the presenter actually looks like Joan Rivers, so what a 'brilliant' idea to replce her with Thornton. How much contempt must they have for viewers to think that we don't know who King and Rivers are? Morons.
The head butt at the end was replaced with a chop to the neck because head butts fall into the BBFC's dangerous 'imitable techniques' category. Of course, chopping someone in the neck is in no way imitable or dangerous...
Secondly, a line of dialogue was altered for what I can only assume to be politically correct reasons. In the original the King says his old crusade wound is acting up. On the DVD it's changed to hunting wound. The fact that the king is voiced by John Cleese, and that the joke is clearly a reference to Basil Fawlty's old line about his war wound playing up seems to have been ignored. To my knowledge this affects every DVD release bar the R1 (even the R3, which is normally identical to the R1, although that has the head butt).
Worst of all, the voices of genuine personalities such as Larry King and Joan Rivers have been replaced by nobodies like Jonathan Ross and Kate 'Bland as Fuck' Thornton. This totally ruins the joke about the ugly sister having a manly voice, because Ross sounds like a girly girl. The CGI model of the presenter actually looks like Joan Rivers, so what a 'brilliant' idea to replce her with Thornton. How much contempt must they have for viewers to think that we don't know who King and Rivers are? Morons.
Quote: Originally posted by Chris Gould
Worst of all, the voices of genuine personalities such as Larry King and Joan Rivers have been replaced by nobodies like Jonathan Ross and Kate 'Bland as Fuck' Thornton. This totally ruins the joke about the ugly sister having a manly voice, because Ross sounds like a girly girl. The CGI model of the presenter actually looks like Joan Rivers, so what a 'brilliant' idea to replce her with Thornton. How much contempt must they have for viewers to think that we don't know who King and Rivers are? Morons.
Bahahahahahahahaha! hehehehehe, ohhhh man, wait...wait....MUAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Thats the easily dumbest thing I think I've ever heard. Seriously, I'm dying over here. Maybe the competly and utter stupidity of the move is the joke??? lololol

I'd love to see that in a live action movie. Like here comes Bruce Willis, but as soon as he starts talking its really David Beckham's voice...lololol
I can't believe they did that. It makes no sense. If they are doing stupid stuff like that internationally it explains poorer then expected DVD sales. I personally did'nt think the sequel was nearly as good as the first was, just a rehash of the same jokes, so I didnt bother with it.
Thanks for making my day Chris...hehehe
Worst of all, the voices of genuine personalities such as Larry King and Joan Rivers have been replaced by nobodies like Jonathan Ross and Kate 'Bland as Fuck' Thornton. This totally ruins the joke about the ugly sister having a manly voice, because Ross sounds like a girly girl. The CGI model of the presenter actually looks like Joan Rivers, so what a 'brilliant' idea to replce her with Thornton. How much contempt must they have for viewers to think that we don't know who King and Rivers are? Morons.
Bahahahahahahahaha! hehehehehe, ohhhh man, wait...wait....MUAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Thats the easily dumbest thing I think I've ever heard. Seriously, I'm dying over here. Maybe the competly and utter stupidity of the move is the joke??? lololol
I'd love to see that in a live action movie. Like here comes Bruce Willis, but as soon as he starts talking its really David Beckham's voice...lololol
I can't believe they did that. It makes no sense. If they are doing stupid stuff like that internationally it explains poorer then expected DVD sales. I personally did'nt think the sequel was nearly as good as the first was, just a rehash of the same jokes, so I didnt bother with it.
Thanks for making my day Chris...hehehe
It's very refreshing to read others who feel the same as I do. I hope that someday the RIAA will be charged with racketeering and brought down, nothing but thugs. A very Andre Linoge attitude, "Give me what I want, and I'll go away".
There are a couple of things missed. I'm sure most Wal-Marts and Best Buys around the U.S. do the same; when a DVD is first released it has a price reduction. Usually like this: 30 = 20, 25 = 15 and 20 = 15/13. For me when I want to buy a new title I purchase it the very first day to take advantage of the lower price. A few days later it goes back to full retail. Plus the whole taking advantage of extras, bonus discs and the like.
Does anybody remember back in the day when the industry was trying to charge people for selling used CDs? Claiming it was cutting into their profits. Thugs.
Anyhow, if I miss it (DVD), I still don't pay retail... I go to Ebay. This is something I pretty postive the industy is ignoring. Sales of used/new titles. A great tool to find lower prices on hard to find and new titles. I'd say nearly half of my DVD purchases have been through Ebay. As for CDs, nearly 100%. I become so damn disenchanted over $15 or more for a CD. When I was young I would be stuck with paying too much for an album which only had a couple song I wanted. Not anymore. Every CD I buy is less than five bucks, including shipping. I have no problem it being used, just mint.
Commenting on the theater experience. If you have the time you should visit (if you haven't already) the movie blog site (Canadian based), www.themovieblog.com
The site has audio downloads, their rants. The December 8th, 2004 recording, "The Movie Blog Audio Edition Volume 5". John Campea and Doug Nagy spoke about piracy:
John: So now you've spent 28/29 bucks for a couple of tickets. You've spent 11 bucks, that's if you want medium pops with your popcorn. You go into the theater. You sit down. You watch like 10/15 sometimes 20 minutes worth of commericals. And here's the thing, movies today are not exponentially better than they were five years ago.
Doug: No.
John: But has gotten a whole lot more expensive. So far me, here's what's the problem; the movie industy and you and I have talked about this before on the audio edition. The movie industy has been mounting this huge campaign, 'oh, piracy is cutting into our money, were losing money because of movie prices'. Now here's the thing, have you ever watched, ok even on your computer, ever watched a pirated movie?
Doug: Yeah.
John: Has it ever stopped you from going to a theater and watching a movie?
Doug: No.
John: No, me either! But when you as an industry start charging unbelievable amounts of money, make people who have paid for tickets sit through 10/15 minutes of advertisments, you are inciting revolt. You are inciting people to wanna revolt against your system, against your industry and find other means.
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In case you're curious, the answer for TV ads in theaters. Movie houses generally only take in about 25% of the revenue of any given film for the first two weeks. Third and forth week about 50%. Fifth and beyond about 75%. Major (expected) blockbusters such as "Star Wars Episode Two: Attack Of The Clones", the studio got 100% of the ticket sales for the first week. Theaters need to make up the loss from the concession stands (which is why they're so expensive) and from selling ad space on their screens to stay in business. Sad fact.
There are a couple of things missed. I'm sure most Wal-Marts and Best Buys around the U.S. do the same; when a DVD is first released it has a price reduction. Usually like this: 30 = 20, 25 = 15 and 20 = 15/13. For me when I want to buy a new title I purchase it the very first day to take advantage of the lower price. A few days later it goes back to full retail. Plus the whole taking advantage of extras, bonus discs and the like.
Does anybody remember back in the day when the industry was trying to charge people for selling used CDs? Claiming it was cutting into their profits. Thugs.
Anyhow, if I miss it (DVD), I still don't pay retail... I go to Ebay. This is something I pretty postive the industy is ignoring. Sales of used/new titles. A great tool to find lower prices on hard to find and new titles. I'd say nearly half of my DVD purchases have been through Ebay. As for CDs, nearly 100%. I become so damn disenchanted over $15 or more for a CD. When I was young I would be stuck with paying too much for an album which only had a couple song I wanted. Not anymore. Every CD I buy is less than five bucks, including shipping. I have no problem it being used, just mint.
Commenting on the theater experience. If you have the time you should visit (if you haven't already) the movie blog site (Canadian based), www.themovieblog.com
The site has audio downloads, their rants. The December 8th, 2004 recording, "The Movie Blog Audio Edition Volume 5". John Campea and Doug Nagy spoke about piracy:
John: So now you've spent 28/29 bucks for a couple of tickets. You've spent 11 bucks, that's if you want medium pops with your popcorn. You go into the theater. You sit down. You watch like 10/15 sometimes 20 minutes worth of commericals. And here's the thing, movies today are not exponentially better than they were five years ago.
Doug: No.
John: But has gotten a whole lot more expensive. So far me, here's what's the problem; the movie industy and you and I have talked about this before on the audio edition. The movie industy has been mounting this huge campaign, 'oh, piracy is cutting into our money, were losing money because of movie prices'. Now here's the thing, have you ever watched, ok even on your computer, ever watched a pirated movie?
Doug: Yeah.
John: Has it ever stopped you from going to a theater and watching a movie?
Doug: No.
John: No, me either! But when you as an industry start charging unbelievable amounts of money, make people who have paid for tickets sit through 10/15 minutes of advertisments, you are inciting revolt. You are inciting people to wanna revolt against your system, against your industry and find other means.
---
In case you're curious, the answer for TV ads in theaters. Movie houses generally only take in about 25% of the revenue of any given film for the first two weeks. Third and forth week about 50%. Fifth and beyond about 75%. Major (expected) blockbusters such as "Star Wars Episode Two: Attack Of The Clones", the studio got 100% of the ticket sales for the first week. Theaters need to make up the loss from the concession stands (which is why they're so expensive) and from selling ad space on their screens to stay in business. Sad fact.
The thing is that this cannot be compared to music piracy because at least the record companies usually put out one CD not multiple editions like they do with DVDs. You buy a DVD because you like the movie but then they decide to screw you over by releasing a much better edition with a new transfer etc, then you feel like the one to got robbed.
Thanks for clearing the Shrek question up for me Chris. I noticed in the cinema that Jonathan Ross' voice was used for the barman but waited for the credits to confirm it. They didnt even change it to his name, it still said Larry King! I also recognised Joan Rivers voice in the trailer but saw that it had been changed in the released version - credits still said Rivers. Thornton is such a non-celebrity that I didnt even notice who it was.
Quote: Originally posted by MF DOOM
The thing is that this cannot be compared to music piracy because at least the record companies usually put out one CD not multiple editions like they do with DVDs. You buy a DVD because you like the movie but then they decide to screw you over by releasing a much better edition with a new transfer etc, then you feel like the one to got robbed.
not that i dont disagree, but there are instances where bands have re released their cds atleast once... Slipknot did this to their first release technically having 3 releases but one was for legal reasons. the other cd was released shortly before or along side so their second album came out...i cant remember
anyhow then when their disk from last summer came out, october 21 i think of 03 the two side projects of the band had rereleases of their own (4 or 5 bonus tracks and a dvd)
point being Roadrunner, Slipknot's label has double diped on what is argueably one of thir most profitable investments
and yes...i am a fanboy
The thing is that this cannot be compared to music piracy because at least the record companies usually put out one CD not multiple editions like they do with DVDs. You buy a DVD because you like the movie but then they decide to screw you over by releasing a much better edition with a new transfer etc, then you feel like the one to got robbed.
not that i dont disagree, but there are instances where bands have re released their cds atleast once... Slipknot did this to their first release technically having 3 releases but one was for legal reasons. the other cd was released shortly before or along side so their second album came out...i cant remember
anyhow then when their disk from last summer came out, october 21 i think of 03 the two side projects of the band had rereleases of their own (4 or 5 bonus tracks and a dvd)
point being Roadrunner, Slipknot's label has double diped on what is argueably one of thir most profitable investments
and yes...i am a fanboy
Quote: Originally posted by James Reader
Something catches my eye in the article: "Last year, Shrek 2 DVD sales were much less than expected and Harry Potter 3 shifted less than half the number of units of its prequel."
Well, I don't know if the Shrek 2 sales refer to just Europe or the whole world.
Sorry, it's not explicit in the article but this statement was presented based on UK sales evidence.
Quote: As for pricing. I can accept the cost analysis. But it doesn't answer the most important question. If films like Kill Bill 1 and 2 can be sold for £9.99 now, the latter only a few months after release, why can't they sell for £9.99 new. The amount of DVD sales and buy-one-get-one-free offers are hurting sales of new DVDs. Buy a DVD new for full price and then see it cheap a month later and you're unlikely to buy any subsequent DVDs new on release, but wait for the (now, totally inevitable) sale. If they were serious about boosting sales, they would price them between £7.99-£9.99 from the start.
Interestingly, this point was acknowledged, but only in passing, by the MD of Blockbusters, saying he suspects that the initial sale price followed by a later reduced price, then 2 for 1 discount packages etc may be contributing to buyers disbelieving the spin (my word) on DVD pricing. (!)
Something catches my eye in the article: "Last year, Shrek 2 DVD sales were much less than expected and Harry Potter 3 shifted less than half the number of units of its prequel."
Well, I don't know if the Shrek 2 sales refer to just Europe or the whole world.
Sorry, it's not explicit in the article but this statement was presented based on UK sales evidence.
Quote: As for pricing. I can accept the cost analysis. But it doesn't answer the most important question. If films like Kill Bill 1 and 2 can be sold for £9.99 now, the latter only a few months after release, why can't they sell for £9.99 new. The amount of DVD sales and buy-one-get-one-free offers are hurting sales of new DVDs. Buy a DVD new for full price and then see it cheap a month later and you're unlikely to buy any subsequent DVDs new on release, but wait for the (now, totally inevitable) sale. If they were serious about boosting sales, they would price them between £7.99-£9.99 from the start.
Interestingly, this point was acknowledged, but only in passing, by the MD of Blockbusters, saying he suspects that the initial sale price followed by a later reduced price, then 2 for 1 discount packages etc may be contributing to buyers disbelieving the spin (my word) on DVD pricing. (!)
Personally I think that you're all horrifically naive. Here's my two-pennies-worth.
1. Most people who know future release dates, and know that films are being released in other countries previous to ours are mostly film buffs, and therefore respect films, and will wait. (Either if it is 12 months for Bad Santa or 6 months for School of Rock)
1a. However, some are not, and therefore I also agree that release dates should be aligned worldwide. However, movies like Saw, which the producers weren't sure about, and weren't sure about reviews/probable success levels, tested the water in the smaller market of the UK, before giving it a much larger release in the US that it would have got otherwise.
However, releasing King Arthur, (filmed in Britain, stars are British, legend is British,) thrree weeks after the US date is a joke.
2. Most of the Americans are moaning about their prices. $15 for a CD is peanuts. In the UK, the cheapest we can get it in stores is £10, which equates now to nearly $20.
$8 film tickets ~ we pay £6 ($13)
$20 DVDs ~ we pay £15 ($28)
$40 xbox/PS2 games ~ £35 ($65)
You get it a lot better than we do.
The fact is its a vicious circle.
A. People start to download loads and loads of films, this causes the industry money.
=>
B. Films make less box office than they should do.
=>
C. Exec "Well, the last Orlando Bloom movie made money; while Birthday Girl starring Nicole Kidman bombed, so we'll give that German guy another $90 mil and throw the Butterworth's out on their ass.)
D. Kid "Efin hell. Another Orlando Bloom movie that the trailer makes look good and then is most likely crap. Well I can't afford £6 so Ill download it.
See A.
The point is while people keep pirating films, the studios are going to resort to churning out the same sort of films, and while theatres are making money on the bigger films, they're going to show more screenings of them, and this will cause the little films to make less money.
The reason ticket prices are so much is because each venue has to make enough money for the distributor (who takes most of the ticket) or the distributor will say no more and give them no more films. This obviously hurts them, and therefore they have to make sure the ticket prices are high enough to ensure they keep getting the films, so they can keep selling the popcorn.
Lats year I saw 46 movies at the box office, and aprt from a few duds i was conned into (Van Helsing- by a good trailer), (Agent Cody Banks 2 - hot blonde), (Along Came Polly - Ben Stiller) and (Catwoman -Friend) I was happy to have seen a good 35 of them. This, in my opinion was the ebst year of film I have seen.
What? I hear you scream!
I filtered the ones that were likely to be good from the others.
The Incredibles. Check.
Kill Bill 2. Check.
Stage Beauty. Check.
House Of Flying Daggers. Check.
Dodgeball, Collateral, Anchorman, Big Fish, Shaun Of The Dead, Eternal Sunchine, Lost in Translation. Check.
Alexander. Pass.
Scary Movie 3. Pass
Cold Creek Manor. Pass
Haunted Mansion. Pass
Tooth, New York Minute, Cinderlla Story, Raigin Helen, Envy, Pass.
46 films is nearly one a week. Therefore stop moaning; get off your ass and see every film you wanna see at the cinema. Don't ever download anything ever again, and guess what; that's the only way films will improve. Once execs see that the only films making money are the intelligent ones.
1. Most people who know future release dates, and know that films are being released in other countries previous to ours are mostly film buffs, and therefore respect films, and will wait. (Either if it is 12 months for Bad Santa or 6 months for School of Rock)
1a. However, some are not, and therefore I also agree that release dates should be aligned worldwide. However, movies like Saw, which the producers weren't sure about, and weren't sure about reviews/probable success levels, tested the water in the smaller market of the UK, before giving it a much larger release in the US that it would have got otherwise.
However, releasing King Arthur, (filmed in Britain, stars are British, legend is British,) thrree weeks after the US date is a joke.
2. Most of the Americans are moaning about their prices. $15 for a CD is peanuts. In the UK, the cheapest we can get it in stores is £10, which equates now to nearly $20.
$8 film tickets ~ we pay £6 ($13)
$20 DVDs ~ we pay £15 ($28)
$40 xbox/PS2 games ~ £35 ($65)
You get it a lot better than we do.
The fact is its a vicious circle.
A. People start to download loads and loads of films, this causes the industry money.
=>
B. Films make less box office than they should do.
=>
C. Exec "Well, the last Orlando Bloom movie made money; while Birthday Girl starring Nicole Kidman bombed, so we'll give that German guy another $90 mil and throw the Butterworth's out on their ass.)
D. Kid "Efin hell. Another Orlando Bloom movie that the trailer makes look good and then is most likely crap. Well I can't afford £6 so Ill download it.
See A.
The point is while people keep pirating films, the studios are going to resort to churning out the same sort of films, and while theatres are making money on the bigger films, they're going to show more screenings of them, and this will cause the little films to make less money.
The reason ticket prices are so much is because each venue has to make enough money for the distributor (who takes most of the ticket) or the distributor will say no more and give them no more films. This obviously hurts them, and therefore they have to make sure the ticket prices are high enough to ensure they keep getting the films, so they can keep selling the popcorn.
Lats year I saw 46 movies at the box office, and aprt from a few duds i was conned into (Van Helsing- by a good trailer), (Agent Cody Banks 2 - hot blonde), (Along Came Polly - Ben Stiller) and (Catwoman -Friend) I was happy to have seen a good 35 of them. This, in my opinion was the ebst year of film I have seen.
What? I hear you scream!
I filtered the ones that were likely to be good from the others.
The Incredibles. Check.
Kill Bill 2. Check.
Stage Beauty. Check.
House Of Flying Daggers. Check.
Dodgeball, Collateral, Anchorman, Big Fish, Shaun Of The Dead, Eternal Sunchine, Lost in Translation. Check.
Alexander. Pass.
Scary Movie 3. Pass
Cold Creek Manor. Pass
Haunted Mansion. Pass
Tooth, New York Minute, Cinderlla Story, Raigin Helen, Envy, Pass.
46 films is nearly one a week. Therefore stop moaning; get off your ass and see every film you wanna see at the cinema. Don't ever download anything ever again, and guess what; that's the only way films will improve. Once execs see that the only films making money are the intelligent ones.
So what? You pay $20 for a CD we pay $15, that just means you're getting more screwed than us. To say we should stop complaining is ridicules. If we don't and just take it, they'll keep on increasing the price tag till we squeel. You can't tell me they're not thinking some kind of way to unleash that kind of pricing in America.
If one was very very paranoid, one might even go as far as thinking HD-DVD/Blue-Ray is just that. While the companies initial investment is high. How long, projected, will it take to show a profit? And once that happens will they reduce the price to a decent level or just enough to give the appearance of a lower price? The price of manufacturing a CD vs. sales price as an example.
The fact they double and triple DVD dip here is a testament to their greed. Stopping the downloads won't help squat. It's a radical difference in philosophy. They're not there to entertain you. It's about making MONEY, nothing less. Films will not improve if it ended.
If it were about art, I doubt we would be in this situtation. Prices would be fair. People would still be downloading, but to a far lesser degree.
It's not like 'should we rerelease a movie'? It's 'how many times can we do it and get away with it?'
If one was very very paranoid, one might even go as far as thinking HD-DVD/Blue-Ray is just that. While the companies initial investment is high. How long, projected, will it take to show a profit? And once that happens will they reduce the price to a decent level or just enough to give the appearance of a lower price? The price of manufacturing a CD vs. sales price as an example.
The fact they double and triple DVD dip here is a testament to their greed. Stopping the downloads won't help squat. It's a radical difference in philosophy. They're not there to entertain you. It's about making MONEY, nothing less. Films will not improve if it ended.
If it were about art, I doubt we would be in this situtation. Prices would be fair. People would still be downloading, but to a far lesser degree.
It's not like 'should we rerelease a movie'? It's 'how many times can we do it and get away with it?'
Hey good news. A local theater chain (Famous Players) has lowered their prices from $18 to $9 - temporarily.
Arent we all lucky? lol
Arent we all lucky? lol
Well, I've just found out that Universal in the UK (who also distribute Dreamworks films) are asking a staggering £24.99 for Bridget Jones' Diary 2 (which is a single disc I think, and has no talking gimmick slipcover to even justify the high price).
Did they learn nothing form the "lower than expected sales" of Shrek 2.
Apparently not. Look for people to hold off buying this DVD until it appears in the inevitable Buy-One-Get-One-Free offer in a couple of months time.
Did they learn nothing form the "lower than expected sales" of Shrek 2.
Apparently not. Look for people to hold off buying this DVD until it appears in the inevitable Buy-One-Get-One-Free offer in a couple of months time.
I posted as much in our Bridget Jones news item. I urge people to boycott the release based on this absurd RRP (and because the film sucks). Of course, it's all the fault of DVD pirates...
£24.99 ? OMG That's like $60...
lolol
What kind of crack are they smoking over there? in contast it's $20 over here.
Man for $60 I'd want Renée Zellweger to hand deliver it in character. Then again, no I don't
What kind of crack are they smoking over there? in contast it's $20 over here.
Man for $60 I'd want Renée Zellweger to hand deliver it in character. Then again, no I don't
What a load of old rubbish, time after time we hear the same old story of how hard done to the movies industry is or music and game industry. The fact is they are making billions. If DVD's were sold online for download then there would be no packaging, no shipping, no retailers markup, no disc production costs and they could still make profit if they sold them for a fiver! Its profit and greed.
isnt everything?!
Quote: Originally posted by Monkey Boy
I for one hope HD-DVD/Blue-Ray falters. I've spent way too much money to be given this lame zinger. I waited five years to switch to DVD. F'em!!!
So why should people who have HDTV have to wait for HDDVD because you spent too much money on DVD? HDDVD's are supposed to be backwards compatible. Best Buy reports record stock prices and sales due to HDTV's being sold, people ARE buying HDTV's in record numbers.
So we should wait so you can still show people your "cool DVD collection", you don't want to end up as the "cool HUGE VHS guy fromt he 80's?"
I for one hope HD-DVD/Blue-Ray falters. I've spent way too much money to be given this lame zinger. I waited five years to switch to DVD. F'em!!!
So why should people who have HDTV have to wait for HDDVD because you spent too much money on DVD? HDDVD's are supposed to be backwards compatible. Best Buy reports record stock prices and sales due to HDTV's being sold, people ARE buying HDTV's in record numbers.
So we should wait so you can still show people your "cool DVD collection", you don't want to end up as the "cool HUGE VHS guy fromt he 80's?"
Quote: Originally posted by david white
closing thoughts....why the hell does the world revolve around money!!!
So do you work for free then? Is your mortgage and car payment free?
closing thoughts....why the hell does the world revolve around money!!!
So do you work for free then? Is your mortgage and car payment free?
why does everyone say blue ray is far away. there already selling blueray tv top recorders from japan if you import it. there supposed to be released fall in the usa. sure blueray wont be mainstream soon but i think in two years itll be were dvd was in 1998.
Maybe the reason that film profits are low is because, as we have been told by other similiarly propaganda-filled sources, all of the violence, sex, profanity, and drug use has impacted us to the point where we are all drug using, murdering, sex-obsessed, swearing hippies with no time left for anything else? (I hope that anyone reading this understands that that last statement was bitter sarcasm)
I actually hope the industry does collapse and fall apart. That way, in my lifetime, people that actually have original ideas and actual talent might stand a chance at being able to succeed. As it stands now, there are too many greedy execs and too much infrastructure and loyalty to people with no talent for this to ever happen. Why would a top movie executive care about someone new with talent when they're sleeping with a woman that has this idea for a "cute" new movie?
Damn them all to hell!
I actually hope the industry does collapse and fall apart. That way, in my lifetime, people that actually have original ideas and actual talent might stand a chance at being able to succeed. As it stands now, there are too many greedy execs and too much infrastructure and loyalty to people with no talent for this to ever happen. Why would a top movie executive care about someone new with talent when they're sleeping with a woman that has this idea for a "cute" new movie?
Damn them all to hell!




And in agreement with a post above, one of my lifetime dreams would be to open up a theater which ONLY shows classical films and maybe a few films that are deserving nowaday. I wish I could have witnessed Lawrence of Arabia in a theater auditorium like it was meant to be seen.