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24th April 2006 14:23  #1

ogirtd Member Join Date: April 2006 Location: Spain Posts: 10
12 monkeys SE?
I can't find a SE of "12 monkeys" in region 2 anywhere. All I found was R1.

Any clue on this kind of release?

24th April 2006 17:20  #2

Mr.Badass Banned Join Date: April 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 539
I really want Criterion to release it

24th April 2006 17:33  #3

ogirtd Member Join Date: April 2006 Location: Spain Posts: 10
I wish...
Is a R2 is alot to ask?

24th April 2006 18:14  #4

Mr.Badass Banned Join Date: April 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 539
buy it play.com...
it's like £5.99

24th April 2006 21:41  #5

ogirtd Member Join Date: April 2006 Location: Spain Posts: 10
This one?
It's not a SE.

25th April 2006 8:22  #6

Mr.Badass Banned Join Date: April 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 539
they havent realesed a SE in the UK, yet

26th April 2006 14:00  #7

Worst Nightmare Senior Member Join Date: July 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 6,706 Send a message via AIM to Worst Nightmare Send a message via ICQ to Worst Nightmare Send a message via MSN to Worst Nightmare Send a message via Yahoo to Worst Nightmare Send a message via Google to Worst Nightmare
Try here for a good comparison
As for a release date - good question....

26th April 2006 14:02  #8

Mr.Badass Banned Join Date: April 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 539
where could you get the japanese SE?

26th April 2006 14:34  #9

Worst Nightmare Senior Member Join Date: July 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 6,706 Send a message via AIM to Worst Nightmare Send a message via ICQ to Worst Nightmare Send a message via MSN to Worst Nightmare Send a message via Yahoo to Worst Nightmare Send a message via Google to Worst Nightmare
From Japan Wink

26th April 2006 14:42  #10

Mr.Badass Banned Join Date: April 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 539
like what site?

26th April 2006 15:02  #11

26th April 2006 15:28  #12

Mr.Badass Banned Join Date: April 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 539
Over priced as hell

26th April 2006 16:19  #13

Mal Webmaster Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,290
Japan is an expensive country, second only to Iceland as far as I know.

26th April 2006 16:33  #14

Mr.Badass Banned Join Date: April 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 539
ok

26th April 2006 19:06  #15

ogirtd Member Join Date: April 2006 Location: Spain Posts: 10
This one looks very good Cool

27th April 2006 2:29  #16

Cheddar J. Cheese Member Join Date: October 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,492
Mr.Badass wrote: I really want Criterion to release it

Why Criterion? I honestly don't see what the fuss is about Criterion. "Brazil" was a good DVD release, 3 discs, great, but $100, not worth it. The same material on a 3 disc set by Universal would be $35 about no? When you buy from Criterion, you buy for the name and the name only.

"12 Monkeys" is a great film and here in R1, has a pretty good release (IMHO). Picture is good, sound is clear, extras... Ok, if Criterion could get a bit of extras, then it may be worth the $50. Even if they did though, I wouldn't upgrade, not worth it (again, IMO).

27th April 2006 3:27  #17

Matt Contributor Join Date: October 2004 Location: United States Posts: 2,113
Cheddar J. Cheese wrote: Why Criterion? I honestly don't see what the fuss is about Criterion. "Brazil" was a good DVD release, 3 discs, great, but $100, not worth it. The same material on a 3 disc set by Universal would be $35 about no? When you buy from Criterion, you buy for the name and the name only.

"12 Monkeys" is a great film and here in R1, has a pretty good release (IMHO). Picture is good, sound is clear, extras... Ok, if Criterion could get a bit of extras, then it may be worth the $50. Even if they did though, I wouldn't upgrade, not worth it (again, IMO).


$100 for Criterion's Brazil? Man, where are you buying your DVDs? I picked up a copy for what I'm pretty sure was $35-$40 a few years ago, and even now Amazon has it listed for $47. And no, you aren't buying Criterion for the name only; the majority of their releases are excellent all the way from their superior job in restoring video and audio to the extras included if you're a fan of any one particular film. The only thing that hurts them on price is the fact that as a smaller company they can't discount titles once they've been out for a certain period of time like the big studios can and regulary do and the smaller quantity of discs they manufacture in comparison drives the price up a few dollars more.

People would like to see certain movies released by Criterion because they know the package will be quality stuff, but personally, I don't know what else you might want from yet another edition of Twelve Monkeys that hasn't already been released at one time or another.

27th April 2006 8:12  #18

Mr.Badass Banned Join Date: April 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 539
I got mine for like $35 also. the retail is only $60

28th April 2006 0:15  #19

Cheddar J. Cheese Member Join Date: October 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,492
Matt wrote: Cheddar J. Cheese wrote: Why Criterion? I honestly don't see what the fuss is about Criterion. "Brazil" was a good DVD release, 3 discs, great, but $100, not worth it. The same material on a 3 disc set by Universal would be $35 about no? When you buy from Criterion, you buy for the name and the name only.

"12 Monkeys" is a great film and here in R1, has a pretty good release (IMHO). Picture is good, sound is clear, extras... Ok, if Criterion could get a bit of extras, then it may be worth the $50. Even if they did though, I wouldn't upgrade, not worth it (again, IMO).


$100 for Criterion's Brazil? Man, where are you buying your DVDs? I picked up a copy for what I'm pretty sure was $35-$40 a few years ago, and even now Amazon has it listed for $47. And no, you aren't buying Criterion for the name only; the majority of their releases are excellent all the way from their superior job in restoring video and audio to the extras included if you're a fan of any one particular film. The only thing that hurts them on price is the fact that as a smaller company they can't discount titles once they've been out for a certain period of time like the big studios can and regulary do and the smaller quantity of discs they manufacture in comparison drives the price up a few dollars more.

People would like to see certain movies released by Criterion because they know the package will be quality stuff, but personally, I don't know what else you might want from yet another edition of Twelve Monkeys that hasn't already been released at one time or another.


I'm in Canada, so the prices may be lower, but equivalent in the US. At HMV, it's $85.99 (CAN), Futureshop, it's $89.99 (CAN). Add the taxes and you get abouut $100. Another example up here is "Charade", $65 (CAN). The list is endless (or rather 300+ titles long).

I'll admit I was a bit harsh and that the extras on Criterion are fine extras. Most titles are old, rare and worth the price. But lately, I find that you can usually find a studio release for cheap (Armageddon, Robocop, This is Spinal Tap, Monty Python's Life of Brian). And like you said, what else is there for "12 Monkeys"?

My apologies to Criterion, Rod, God, and the Press. Happy

28th April 2006 15:03  #20

Adrian Senior Member Join Date: September 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1,305
You may find a studio version for cheap, but likely it will not include the extras from the Criterion versions.  If I am not mistaken the OOP Robocop from Criterion is the only uncut version available.  This is Spinal Tap Criterion has different deleted scenes from the MGM version.  As for Charade, you can find it cheap because it is public domain, but you won't find a nicer presentation.  For me, it is worth the extra $20 to get a good looking print of the movie.

Yes Criterion is more expensive.  They don't sell the volume that a traditional distributor does.  For the movies you name, they have limited time licenses.  However, a vast majority of the titles can't be found anywhere else.  But, in the US, you can buy all Criterions for either $19.47 or $25.97 from DVDPlanet (except for things like Brazil which, of course, are a bit more expensive.)  They always have the collection at 35% off.  Brazil is $38.97.  Not bad for three different cuts of the movie.  They ship to Canada.

1st May 2006 6:11  #21

Eva Unit02 Member Join Date: June 2004 Location: New Zealand Posts: 634 Send a message via ICQ to Eva Unit02
The best release (which is in print) of 12 Monkeys is the recent R1 re-release, it has a new transfer. Avoid the R2UK like the plague, it's non-anamorphic.

1st May 2006 8:05  #22

Matt Contributor Join Date: October 2004 Location: United States Posts: 2,113
Adrian wrote: If I am not mistaken the OOP Robocop from Criterion is the only uncut version available.  This is Spinal Tap Criterion has different deleted scenes from the MGM version.
I believe the last R1 release of Robocop was uncut, but only if you bought it as part of the trilogy pack, the stand alone version is the same R-rated cut. This Is Spinal Tap not only has different deleted scenes, but two additional commentary tracks not found on the MGM release as well.

1st May 2006 17:19  #23

Adrian Senior Member Join Date: September 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1,305
Matt wrote:
I believe the last R1 release of Robocop was uncut, but only if you bought it as part of the trilogy pack, the stand alone version is the same R-rated cut.


DVDCompare.net says the same thing.  The difference is that the Criterion is shown in 1.66:1 (which Verhoeven approved) and the boxset is 1.85:1.  Also, the Criterion has a different Verhoeven commentary.
Matt wrote:
This Is Spinal Tap not only has different deleted scenes, but two additional commentary tracks not found on the MGM release as well.


I forgot about this, since I have never listen to a commentary in my life.  (I know. . . .but I have a real problem with people talking during a movie!!)  Isn't one of the commentaries only available here of the cast in character?

1st May 2006 17:48  #24

Matt Contributor Join Date: October 2004 Location: United States Posts: 2,113
The MGM disc is Guest/Shearer/McKean in character, which is a real hoot, while the Criterion has two commentaries, one with Reiner and a couple of other behind-the-scenes folk and Guest/Shearer/McKean out of character on the second track.

All three are good tracks, but the MGM track really adds a new dimension to watching the movie seeing as Spinal Tap hates the movie and its director because of how they were portrayed in it.

2nd May 2006 23:57  #25

rob murray Member Join Date: November 2004 Location: United States Posts: 477
The reason it should be done by them is because every other Terry Gilliam movie released on Criterion has been worth the money all day long. And the fact that he has worked closely with them in the past.

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