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30th July 2006 21:49  #1

Dustin Member Join Date: March 2006 Location: United States Posts: 553 Send a message via AIM to Dustin
A Trekkie's First Step
I bought my first Star Trek film today... ST III: The Search For Spock.

It's a big deal because you see... I've never viewed anything Star Trek outside of a few film workshops. I wanted to begin with the first film, but am going to have to order it and Khan online. Can I begin with #3 and still be okay or should I wait for the others to arrive and do it in order?

If I enjoy the film series, I might look into the shows. It's such an overwhelmingly large universe, I'm really quite intimidated by it all (as is my wallet). As I begin my gargantuan journey, do any of you Trekkies have any advice for me? Movies to enter with low expectations? TV shows to check out first? etc. etc.?

31st July 2006 0:00  #2

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,108 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
Well you shouldn't have started with three, because it's pretty bad. The general consensus is that the odd numbered films suck and the even ones are good, but there are exceptions to this. TMP isn't a brilliant film, and Nemesis is also a bit of a let down. The best films are Wrath of Khan, Voyage Home, Undiscovered Country and First Contact. Final Frontier is b*****ks.

31st July 2006 0:50  #3

Matt Contributor Join Date: October 2004 Location: United States Posts: 2,113
...not to mention that the The Search For Spock is the second part of a larger, three film story arc that begins with Wrath of Khan, so you may be a bit confused by being thrown right in to the middle of it. I'd hold of watching it until you've seen Wrath of Khan.

31st July 2006 1:16  #4

Cheddar J. Cheese Member Join Date: October 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,492
Yeah definitely wait. Especially if you haven't seen ANYTHING and know NOTHING about "Trek". Wait and watch them in order.

I is missable, but it's ok
II is great
III is a good continuation
IV is great
V doesn't exist
VI is a great end to a generation
VII is ok
VIII is really well done and fun
IX is a little boring
X is not that great.

31st July 2006 2:19  #5

Dustin Member Join Date: March 2006 Location: United States Posts: 553 Send a message via AIM to Dustin
Quote: V doesn't exist

Oh man, (wipes tear), for some reason that one gave me a good chuckle. Alrighty then, I'll wait until I get the first two. How about TV shows though? Is it best to start them in order with the original series first?

31st July 2006 2:56  #6

Matt Contributor Join Date: October 2004 Location: United States Posts: 2,113
The only Trek films you really have to worry about watching in order are Wrath of Khan and The Search For Spock since they're one continous story. The Voyage Home is the third part of that particular story arc, but is much more loosely connected than the previous two films. If you really want to go all out, I'd hunt down a copy of the first season Star Trek episode "Space Seed" since it sets up the events in Wrath of Khan.

31st July 2006 3:31  #7

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,108 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
And the best film, First Contact, will make more sense if you know about the Borg.

31st July 2006 3:48  #8

Dustin Member Join Date: March 2006 Location: United States Posts: 553 Send a message via AIM to Dustin
I feel somewhat educated on them from your review. Happy

31st July 2006 4:40  #9

Trap Door Member Join Date: January 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 250
I say watch star trek I-X for the heck of it.

Yeah start with the original series season 1 first. See how you like it. It's the best of Trek.

31st July 2006 7:01  #10

Gabe Powers Editor Join Date: September 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4,443 Send a message via ICQ to Gabe Powers
AS a non-fan, I'm in agreement with Tim from Spaced that every odd numbered Star Trek film is c**p.

And yet I still loved AOTC and ROTS...hmmm...

31st July 2006 13:33  #11

Stephen Etherton Member Join Date: October 2003 Location: United States Posts: 706
II, III, IV are the best movies if you watch them in that paticular order of the original Star Trek cast.  If you want a good action romp, try the Next Generations's First Contact, if you want more story, try The Motion Picture (Directors Cut) or Next Gen's Insurrection.  If you want to be annoyed with how bad iconic characters can be treated in their own movies try The Final Frontier or The Undiscovered Country or Generations or Nemisis.

And I say that, and I really like Star Trek, too.

31st July 2006 13:38  #12

Jonny "Me You" Senior Member Join Date: March 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,863
A Trekkie's First Step
Dustin wrote: I bought my first Star Trek film today... ST III: The Search For Spock.


That was my first one too, on VHS sooooo long ago. I would definately go in order though. Make sure you get the Director's Editions of Star Trek TMP and Kahn. Oh and yeah....as mentioned above, get a copy of Space Seed from the original show.

31st July 2006 13:43  #13

Dustin Member Join Date: March 2006 Location: United States Posts: 553 Send a message via AIM to Dustin
I can't find more than one version of TMP, it's the one that says DIRECTOR'S EDITIOn or something and doesn't have the silver border like all of the other films do.

I'm assuming all of the 2-disc sets are the director's editions aka director's cuts, and the single-discs are worth ignoring?

31st July 2006 14:15  #14

Matt Contributor Join Date: October 2004 Location: United States Posts: 2,113
Dustin wrote: I can't find more than one version of TMP, it's the one that says DIRECTOR'S EDITIOn or something and doesn't have the silver border like all of the other films do.

I'm assuming all of the 2-disc sets are the director's editions aka director's cuts, and the single-discs are worth ignoring?

Yeah, there's only one version of TMP; they originally released the Trek films mostly in reverse order, and once they got to the first film they started releasing them as two-disc sets in the correct, chronological order. Not all of the two-discers are director's cuts though...I'm thinking only 1, 2, & 6 are any different from their theatrical counterparts. At any rate, best to skip the single disc releases since most of them are barebones and a few aren't even anamorphic.

31st July 2006 14:57  #15

Intergalactic Ponce Member Join Date: April 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,151
Chris Gould wrote: And the best film, First Contact, will make more sense if you know about the Borg.

If you do go ahead and watch ST:V, as it's about God, you'd best throw out the bible as well cos it's not going to be of much useHappy

31st July 2006 19:12  #16

Peter Member Join Date: September 2004 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 89 Send a message via ICQ to Peter
There's only a few I'd bother to sit down and watch and only one (First Contact) that I have on DVD. The Undiscovered Country is pretty good though and I've always had a completely misplaced appreciation for Generations.

31st July 2006 20:01  #17

Gabe Powers Editor Join Date: September 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4,443 Send a message via ICQ to Gabe Powers
I think First Contact is a great film for non-fans because it's essentually an action film. I went into it knowing nothing of the Borg and think I came out understanding it all.

Otherwise, as a non-fan, I'd reccommend 4 and 6 as the best.

2nd August 2006 13:10  #18

Tigerclaw Member Join Date: November 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 493 Send a message via MSN to Tigerclaw
Borg and Klingon; the fan collection is another good option.  The most bang for the buck for Trekkers on a budget.

2nd August 2006 23:42  #19

Trap Door Member Join Date: January 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 250
Or he could watch II, III and IV. As they are sort of a trilogy.

3rd August 2006 16:53  #20

Nic Mall Member Join Date: November 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,202 Send a message via MSN to Nic Mall
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3rd August 2006 17:28  #21

Adrian Senior Member Join Date: September 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1,305
Matt wrote:
Yeah, there's only one version of TMP; they originally released the Trek films mostly in reverse order, and once they got to the first film they started releasing them as two-disc sets in the correct, chronological order.


I wish they had done the directors cut using seemless branching so you could have both of the cuts on the disc.  It's always amazed me that this isn't done more often.

Matt wrote:
I'm thinking only 1, 2, & 6 are any different from their theatrical counterparts.


It's 4, not 6, that is also a director's cut.  And looking at IMDB, 4 is the one with the most footage added back in.

3rd August 2006 17:30  #22

Cheddar J. Cheese Member Join Date: October 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,492
As for TV shows... Everyone will tell you the original and Next Generation series are great. But everyone will also tell you that the most recent one, "Enterprise" is horrible. I thought it was a very good series and it was actually the only one where I couldn't wait to see the next episode the following day.
The others are ok (Deep Space 9 and Voyager) but don't expect much.

3rd August 2006 17:34  #23

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,108 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
The latter series of DS9 are some of the best in Star Trek. probably the last two or three seasons. TNG was the most consistently enjoyable show, and Voyager became quite good towards the end.

All of the shows were pretty bad in the first couple of seasons, as it took that long for them to find their feet. That was the problem with Enterprise. It's actually not a bad show, but it does f**k with the continuity of the other shows too much.

3rd August 2006 18:19  #24

Matt Contributor Join Date: October 2004 Location: United States Posts: 2,113
Adrian wrote: It's 4, not 6, that is also a director's cut.  And looking at IMDB, 4 is the one with the most footage added back in.
Yeah, forgot about The Voyage Home, but Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country on DVD is different than the theatrical version also, and the two-disc edition is even slightly different from the older single-disc release and all other LD and VHS releases before that.

3rd August 2006 18:44  #25

Adrian Senior Member Join Date: September 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1,305
It's odd that the changes don't make the running time any different.  I was just doing a quick scan on the running times.  According to the alternate versions tab, here's the differences for VI.

The Special Collector's Edition DVD includes all the new scenes from the home video releases, and a few new minor changes to certain scenes and effects exclusive to this DVD.

    * When Martia gets shot, a disruption sound effect is removed to make her scream more apparent.
    * There is a new wide shot of Scotty reading the blueprints of the Enterprise in the dining hall.
    * Valeris's interrogation scene has been entirely reedited. There are now close up shots of Kirk and McCoy when they speak their lines instead of being in wide shots. When Spock and Valeris name a particular conspirator, the face of that person briefly appears in a flashback like style.

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