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3rd March 2006 9:07  #1

dan laurikietis Member Join Date: August 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 92
Alien 3
I recently bought the Alien Quadrilogy and remembered seeing Alien 3 a very long time ago and was quite eager to revisit it.  What happened next I was quite unprepared for.  I really really enjoyed it, particularly the extended cut.
Some ropey CGI aside I thought this was a tense and atmospheric horror flick with some excellent tense moments and some memorable performances from Madamme Weaver and Charles Dance.  For the life of me I don't know why the film has been so maligned for so many years.

Anyone agree with me?  If not, then what do you hate about the film?

I'd love to hear all of your opinions!

3rd March 2006 9:38  #2

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,123 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
I wasn't a fan of the theatrical cut, but the extended edition completely alters the structure of the film into something resembling a decent movie. Just one of the reasons I love DVDs.

3rd March 2006 12:33  #3

Matt Contributor Join Date: October 2004 Location: United States Posts: 2,113
I've always had the opinion that it's a decent movie on its own, but terrible as a sequel to Alien and Aliens.

3rd March 2006 17:17  #4

Bodhi Member Join Date: February 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 403
Matt wrote: I've always had the opinion that it's a decent movie on its own, but terrible as a sequel to Alien and Aliens.

Agreed.

3rd March 2006 19:50  #5

Gabe Powers Editor Join Date: September 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4,482 Send a message via ICQ to Gabe Powers
Yep.

3rd March 2006 21:06  #6

Donnie_Darko Banned Join Date: January 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 352
Aliens is overrated but Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection are extremely underrated film

3rd March 2006 21:55  #7

Intergalactic Ponce Member Join Date: April 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,151
Aliens is overrated for a very good reason. It kicks bowel. (in a good way)

3rd March 2006 22:01  #8

Gabe Powers Editor Join Date: September 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4,482 Send a message via ICQ to Gabe Powers
I am a fan of all 4, personally.

3rd March 2006 23:52  #9

stanton heck Member Join Date: June 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1,098
I liked ALien 4 Alien 3 never! If I can't fall asleep I put on Alien 3 or Arliss

4th March 2006 0:34  #10

Darren Russell Member Join Date: June 2004 Location: United States Posts: 208
Bodhi wrote: Matt wrote: I've always had the opinion that it's a decent movie on its own, but terrible as a sequel to Alien and Aliens.

Agreed.


Agreed, again.  My only complaint was the CG effects.  The special effects of the alien running around the place, looked as if they were done back in the 80s.  All in all, I enjoyed the movie though.

4th March 2006 0:56  #11

Gabe Powers Editor Join Date: September 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4,482 Send a message via ICQ to Gabe Powers
They were actually mostly made up of superimposed rod-puppet animation, not CG. I think the only CG was the Alien's head cracking.

4th March 2006 2:40  #12

Matt Contributor Join Date: October 2004 Location: United States Posts: 2,113
Yeah, if I remember correctly from the commentary the crackling head was the only actual CGI used in the film, the rest was optical effects with a rod-puppet. I think the point is also made in the commentary that this was the last, bigger budget sci-fi movie to incorporate mostly optical effects work as it was released just under a year after an effects benchmark film ahead of it time, Terminator 2: Judgement Day.

4th March 2006 4:53  #13

Aaron Schneiderman Senior Member Join Date: September 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1,198
If I were to compile a list of my favorite films, Ridley Scott's "Alien" would be close to the top. I don't want to dissect the film to demonstrate its brilliance but it still feels like a new experience every time I sit down to view it. When James Cameron's "Aliens" was released I thought it was to "Alien" what "The Empire Strikes Back" was to "Star Wars." But my tastes have matured and I now find the first sequel to be a brainless action fest that is filled with stereotypes, cliches and really pathetic performances from most of the actors. The most intelligent sequel in my opinion is "Alien 3." When I sat down to watch the Quadrilogy I was shocked by how much I now enjoy that film. I believe "Alien 3' is a more "cerebral" film and a more faithful sequel to the brilliant original.

4th March 2006 21:01  #14

Darren Russell Member Join Date: June 2004 Location: United States Posts: 208
Aaron Schneiderman wrote: If I were to compile a list of my favorite films, Ridley Scott's "Alien" would be close to the top. I don't want to dissect the film to demonstrate its brilliance but it still feels like a new experience every time I sit down to view it. When James Cameron's "Aliens" was released I thought it was to "Alien" what "The Empire Strikes Back" was to "Star Wars." But my tastes have matured and I now find the first sequel to be a brainless action fest that is filled with stereotypes, cliches and really pathetic performances from most of the actors. The most intelligent sequel in my opinion is "Alien 3." When I sat down to watch the Quadrilogy I was shocked by how much I now enjoy that film. I believe "Alien 3' is a more "cerebral" film and a more faithful sequel to the brilliant original.

Aaron you're killing me!!  LOL   Just kidding.
Aliens was a great movie for all intents and purposes, but I would have to agree with you that Alien 3 was the better sequel to Alien.  I still love Aliens, but I enjoy Alien 3 the most out of all the Alien movies.  Resurrection is at the bottom of the pile.  A terrible movie.  

5th March 2006 7:21  #15

Worst Nightmare Senior Member Join Date: July 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 6,706 Send a message via AIM to Worst Nightmare Send a message via ICQ to Worst Nightmare Send a message via MSN to Worst Nightmare Send a message via Yahoo to Worst Nightmare Send a message via Google to Worst Nightmare
I also thought the different cut in the box set was alot better adding the depth to the film that it was missing...

5th March 2006 10:42  #16

Gabe Powers Editor Join Date: September 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4,482 Send a message via ICQ to Gabe Powers
this is interesting. I think I kind of agree with both Aaron and Matt. Alien 3 is a s**t sequel to Aliens, but a great sequel to Alien. I think that makes part 4 the sequel to part 2 then (though, again, I'm a fan of both).

7th March 2006 13:02  #17

dan laurikietis Member Join Date: August 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 92
/\ Perhaps much of the reason it was so maligned was because a great many at the time were expecting a rehash of Aliens.  I can understand the disappointment of action fans but I feel any instalment of a franchise has to take the source material in a new direction and I think Alien 3 does this admirably.

7th March 2006 17:30  #18

Matt Contributor Join Date: October 2004 Location: United States Posts: 2,113
The main reason it fails as a sequel for me is that is renders everything Ripley fought and survived for in Aliens pointless within its opening credits.

7th March 2006 20:48  #19

Gabe Powers Editor Join Date: September 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4,482 Send a message via ICQ to Gabe Powers
Which is pretty f**king ballsy.

Can you imagine if Luke and Han froze to death at the beginning of Empire?

7th March 2006 20:51  #20

Adrian Senior Member Join Date: September 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1,305
Gabe Powers wrote: Which is pretty f**king ballsy.

Can you imagine if Luke and Han froze to death at the beginning of Empire?


Or were eaten by a Yeti.  Very Happy

7th March 2006 21:01  #21

Gabe Powers Editor Join Date: September 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4,482 Send a message via ICQ to Gabe Powers
Or it turned out TaunTaun innards were acidic like those of a xenomorph. Poor Luke would be disolved over night.

9th March 2006 19:42  #22

Edwise Member Join Date: October 2004 Location: United States Posts: 184
Aaron Schneiderman wrote: If I were to compile a list of my favorite films, Ridley Scott's "Alien" would be close to the top. I don't want to dissect the film to demonstrate its brilliance but it still feels like a new experience every time I sit down to view it. When James Cameron's "Aliens" was released I thought it was to "Alien" what "The Empire Strikes Back" was to "Star Wars." But my tastes have matured and I now find the first sequel to be a brainless action fest that is filled with stereotypes, cliches and really pathetic performances from most of the actors.

Aside from the fact that I saw "Aliens" first (hey, I was only 8 when the first "Alien" came out), this really resonates with how I felt the last time I watched "Aliens".  It used to be a solid A with me, now I'd give it a grade of B- or C+.  But I think Ridley's "Alien" will continue to be a favorite.

14th March 2006 9:49  #23

dan laurikietis Member Join Date: August 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 92
I think each of the films scratches a slightly different itch.  Which is rightly so in a franchise.  I'm sure Aliens contributed a great deal to the popularity of the series by marketing it to the action/ adventure crowd.

16th March 2006 4:51  #24

Keith Member Join Date: June 2005 Location: United States Posts: 221
That was my thought too.  A terrible sequel, they shouldn't have made it.  Because of my dislike for the theatrical release, I will not buy the DVD extended version.

I'm tired of sequels. Generally, for my taste in movies, they aren't good, and I spend a bunch of money in the theater to find that out.

16th March 2006 11:58  #25

dan laurikietis Member Join Date: August 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 92
Keith I implore you give the Extended Edition a try.  It's a far better paced and more fleshed out cut and (some slightly dodgy optical effects aside) a worthy addition to the series.

16th March 2006 16:33  #26

Adrian Senior Member Join Date: September 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1,305
I've never really understood the venom spewed at Alien 3.  Not the best movie in the world, but I certainly enjoyed it.  I need to sit down and watch the extended version.

16th March 2006 19:01  #27

Dark Jedi Member Join Date: March 2005 Location: United States Posts: 220
The whole series is classic. They are 1000 times better than some of the tripe that is posing as sci-fi these days. The Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions anyone?

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