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BLUE-Ray VS HD-DVD

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31st October 2007 18:20  #31

Director7 Member Join Date: June 2006 Location: United States Posts: 290
Disciple wrote: New Line Cinema keep releasing their films exclusively on Blu-Ray for the period during which the film is still playing in international territoriesBut that exclusivity is only for a couple months. Everything New Line announced for BluRay they also said the HD version would follow, just at a later time.

If Warner picked BluRay, HD-DVD would stand no chance and falter only a little while later, Paramount just isn't enough. But if Warner picked HD-DVD then it still wouldn't be over for BluRay seeing as how big FOX and Disney & Sony Pictures are.

UMD has BEEN done, and Sony still releases movies on that dead format even though almost no-one supports/buys it. Don't you think they'll do the same here? Of course they will. I doubt if Blu Ray will ever go away completely.

10th December 2007 13:19  #32

sjp1966 Member Join Date: September 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 87
From what I read here I think I am still going to wait it out. I was going to buy (and probably still will) a PS3 as it doubles as a games console as well as a BR player. As has been mentioned here, the picture quality is comparable, but you get better deals with HD at the moment in terms of free movie whereas BR are giving nothing away. It was mentioned that technically HD is slightly better but again the differences seem minimal.

It was mentioned about double dipping films and that people should buy both formats if they are a fan, why would you want to spend out twice on a movie? Whilst there are a few people that would want every version / cover etc most people want to buy one copy of the film and only double dip if there is a noticeable improvement on the re-issue (Bladerunner for example).

But this BD-J, I have not heard of this but if most players cannot accept it then it seems pointless going for the BR format at the moment, in fact it all seems a massive mess which is why I am leaving it be. At the end of the day, if people wanted one format one way to force the studios hand is for no-one to buy either format (disk wise). At the moment why both formats are selling no one is seeing any advantage into changing the way they do things.

10th December 2007 13:56  #33

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,123 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
No one said HD DVD was superior, it's not. BD is technically superior on paper, but that superiority is not translating into real-world performance. However, it is still the dominant format for reasons that elude me. Why people would buy into a format that's not standardised, requires you to buy new hardware and still enforces region coding is beyond me.

10th December 2007 14:44  #34

Cervantes Member Join Date: November 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 172
Michael 'Transformers' Bay has gone on record as saying he prefers the Blu-ray of that movie, as opposed to the HD-DVD version...and that he reckons that Microsoft's 'bribery' of the likes of Paramount to go HD-DVD exclusive is a ploy to muddy the waters of either format taking off, so that 'DOWNLOADS' become the preferred format, sooner rather than later...
I've decided that I DONE CARE which Hi-def format wins, just that one with EVERY studio onboard does, and that it is NOT (probably extras-free) 'downloads'!
Damn you Michael...er, I mean Microsoft...

10th December 2007 15:40  #35

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,123 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
I'm curious as to why he prefers the BD version. It wouldn't have the interactive features of the HD DVD release, and even if if did no one could play them. Sure it might have a lossless audio track, but Dolby's own engineers have stated that the Plus track is audibly transparent from the studio master. I'm pretty sure he's not actually basing his comments on anything that would benefit consumers. Downloads won't become the preferred format for HD content until uber-fast broadband with no caps are the norm (so never then) and people can buy terrabyte HDDs for next to nothing.

10th December 2007 15:49  #36

m@tt Member Join Date: October 2007 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 551
Yes terrabyte  HDDs that don't wipe the entire movie archive by breaking down which i don't see either.

10th December 2007 19:12  #37

Intergalactic Ponce Member Join Date: April 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,151
I don't get the attraction of downloading films. Any time away from a PC trying to get it to work is time well spent in my book. Plus having hundreds of films on one drive, that could breakdown would be a nightmare. HAve a back up on disc then I hear people say. Well isn't that what DVD/BD/HDD is anyway. I much prefer the physical medium of a disc. You know where it is and it's hardly a bind getting off your arse and putting a disc in a player is it. The only plus side to having all your films on one hard rive is the space it saves in the real world.

I use a hard drive for recording TV and converting MiniDV to DVD but I would never trust it to safeguard any important video media. It's a real bonus to have a hard drive but eventually you need to clean it up and put to disc the things you want to keep. Which brings us back to actually needing some sort of independant physical storage. That will change over time of course. I would think Discs will eventually disappear and be as quaint as VHS is now for some people.

I would look forward to a time when you could buy you movies on something like a credit card with all the data on the chip, and all you need to play it on is a reader with a RAID array at home. To view the card it would need to download onto the RAID but that would only take seconds. You'd then be free to either keep it on the hard drive or delete it safe in the knowledge that you had the file safe in some sort of credit card style wallet.

And the sky would be pink. And Coke/Pepsi would come out of taps. And cars would fly. Mr Kipling mince pies might actually be less dry than Morrisons own. And everyone would have their own robot (for the ironing, dishes and hand jobs etc). And there'd be no war.....

12th December 2007 13:49  #38

Cervantes Member Join Date: November 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 172
Here is a very good article on the current state of things...
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/the-state-of-hd-dvd/...  Sad

12th December 2007 14:00  #39

Nic Mall Member Join Date: November 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,202 Send a message via MSN to Nic Mall
Disciple wrote: If you look back at what they've released in HD so far you could argue that they favour HD DVD as they've released a lot of films with HD DVD exlusive special features such as the In Movie Experience PIPs.
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Isn't that because (up until now with the 1.1 BD players & discs) BluRay couldn't have those features?

13th December 2007 0:44  #40

Jonny "Me You" Senior Member Join Date: March 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,863
Disciple wrote: There are rumours going around now saying that Warner is about to abandon their neutality and go for one format. Warner has the biggest library of films of all studios. This is really gonna effect which format is going to "win". If you look back at what they've released in HD so far you could argue that they favour HD DVD as they've released a lot of films with HD DVD exlusive special features such as the In Movie Experience PIPs. However, as New Line Cinema (which if i'm not totally off track here, is owned by Warner) keep releasing their films exclusively on Blu-Ray for the period during which the film is still playing in international territories, this could swing either way. This could definitely be decided real soon though.


Also: Kmart is no longer selling Blu-Ray players, only Toshiba HD DVD players.


If it helps stoke the fires I've been to my fare share of WB events and press previews and there is NEVER any Blu Ray media around. Always HD DVD and always being presented on Toshiba HD DVD Players.

16th December 2007 18:44  #41

yor Member Join Date: December 2007 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7
Can anyone tell me if the new Toshiba HD XE1 is multi region ?

16th December 2007 21:58  #42

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,123 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
Not for DVDs, but HD DVD is region free anyway. There might be an unofficial firmware at some point in the future though, as this has happened for other models.

16th December 2007 23:06  #43

yor Member Join Date: December 2007 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7
Thanks Chris , Ive loads of Region 1 dvd,s So its a no go, At least HD is region free , Cheers

17th December 2007 0:58  #44

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,123 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
I have three players in the living room: the Oppo HD981 for SD DVDs, the Toshiba HD-EP35 for HD DVD and the Samsung BD-P1400 for BD. PitA, but necessary.

17th December 2007 19:52  #45

yor Member Join Date: December 2007 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7
region free
Ive just got the new Sony S500 Blu ray player, with a Sony 40 inch X series TV and a Sony  3300 ES AV reciever, + The new KEF ES 3500 Speakers, I was in Chicago last week and was looking for the new Samsung Duel, HD ,BLU RAY Player, to solve the region problem , But its not out until the new year,

17th December 2007 20:50  #46

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,123 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
Nope, but at least it will be profile 1.1, which is a big plus. If I could have waited I would probably have gone for one of those, but we needed to kick off our HD coverage sooner rather than later. Couldn't wait months for vapourware.

17th December 2007 22:26  #47

Jersey Jedi Member Join Date: August 2004 Location: United States Posts: 714
region free
yor wrote: Ive just got the new Sony S500 Blu ray player, with a Sony 40 inch X series TV and a Sony  3300 ES AV reciever, + The new KEF ES 3500 Speakers, I was in Chicago last week and was looking for the new Samsung Duel, HD ,BLU RAY Player, to solve the region problem , But its not out until the new year,

"Pick a side, we're at war!"..... Colbert is God

19th December 2007 21:43  #48

yor Member Join Date: December 2007 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7
region free
Hi Chris
Iam tempted to buy the Toshiba HD XE1, However a UK company is selling a USA Toshiba HD XA2 player for £500,
This will allow me to also play my Region 1 dvds,
How do the two player compare?
Also will it be ok with my current equipment?

Any advise would be appreciated

20th December 2007 3:22  #49

m@tt Member Join Date: October 2007 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 551
This whole situation is dreadful, we'll be updating home cinema equipment as fast as mobile phones next. We'll need a new HD player, firmware update, HDMI cable and plasma TV every six months. Can't remember the last time i needed to update the innards of my DVD player, oh wait a minute i never have.

Just goes to show how much this HD format needs to grow up when it's success or failure depends on two games machines.

4th January 2008 21:01  #50

Jersey Jedi Member Join Date: August 2004 Location: United States Posts: 714

5th January 2008 2:12  #51

Director7 Member Join Date: June 2006 Location: United States Posts: 290
Yea, I read that...

It's not over still, Toshiba needs to play their cards now, and play them damn good.

5th January 2008 15:05  #52

Tigerclaw Member Join Date: November 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 493 Send a message via MSN to Tigerclaw
Director7 wrote: Yea, I read that...

It's not over still, Toshiba needs to play their cards now, and play them damn good.


In poker, it's call "folding"

9th January 2008 13:34  #53

Mark Lim Member Join Date: March 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 1,211
With the way things are going, I think Paramount are going to shoot themselves for switching, because in the end they will have to switch back to Blu Ray. I know BLU RAY'S GONNA WIN! WOO-HOO!

Can't wait to get my first Blu Ray Player this year, right after I pay off my credit card. Of course I have to save some money first. I already have a Sony Bravia with Sony HDMI imput, so need to upgrade my projector.

9th January 2008 16:15  #54

BoBoi Member Join Date: June 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 1,109 Send a message via MSN to BoBoi Send a message via Yahoo to BoBoi
Mark Lim wrote: With the way things are going, I think Paramount are going to shoot themselves for switching, because in the end they will have to switch back to Blu Ray. I know BLU RAY'S GONNA WIN! WOO-HOO!

Can't wait to get my first Blu Ray Player this year, right after I pay off my credit card. Of course I have to save some money first. I already have a Sony Bravia with Sony HDMI imput, so need to upgrade my projector.

Good thing Mark, I also own a Sony Bravia (X200) too. I am looking at getting a new BD Player as well, since I think PS3 doesn't really deliver, picture quality wise standalone player is much better. So I'm looking at the new Panasonic DMP-BD50, incidently I almost buy the BD30, but decided to wait for a bit for the news from CES2008 and well BD50 really sounds fantastic...

10th January 2008 16:16  #55

Cervantes Member Join Date: November 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 172
With the recent Warners decision and the rumblings that Paramount and Universal have 'get out' clauses from their HD-DVD deals, it looks like this thing may finally be over sooner rather than later.  I certainly feel justified in treating my brat that was given a PS3 at Christmas, to his first Blu-ray title to play on it now...  Happy

11th January 2008 12:30  #56

Intergalactic Ponce Member Join Date: April 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,151
BoBoi wrote: Mark Lim wrote: With the way things are going, I think Paramount are going to shoot themselves for switching, because in the end they will have to switch back to Blu Ray. I know BLU RAY'S GONNA WIN! WOO-HOO!

Can't wait to get my first Blu Ray Player this year, right after I pay off my credit card. Of course I have to save some money first. I already have a Sony Bravia with Sony HDMI imput, so need to upgrade my projector.

Good thing Mark, I also own a Sony Bravia (X200) too. I am looking at getting a new BD Player as well, since I think PS3 doesn't really deliver, picture quality wise standalone player is much better. So I'm looking at the new Panasonic DMP-BD50, incidently I almost buy the BD30, but decided to wait for a bit for the news from CES2008 and well BD50 really sounds fantastic...


Honest query. What's wrong with the PS3's audio/visual capabilities when compared against a stand alone player. I can see that a stand alone player should be better than a games machine at playing BD films, but that won't be until at least 3rd or 4th generation players come to market, profile 1.1/2.0 (or whatever version) compliant and all.

As far as I understand it, the PS3 is the most capabale BD movie player available right now. It's firmware can be easily upgraded and to my eyes and ears it presents HD content perfectly well.

11th January 2008 16:20  #57

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,123 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
It has no means of outputting multi-channel audio aside from HDMI, which means you need to buy a new amplifier to enjoy PCM, DD+, TrueHD, DTS-HD HR and DTS-HD MA. Most standalone decks have discrete analogue outputs and can internally decode most of those formats to passed as LPCM.

That's the only reason I dismissed it as a player. Wouldn't bother me so much if it was just for personal use, but it is quite limited when it comes to reviewing. Also, not much point having an HD viewing experience and an SD audio one.

11th January 2008 17:07  #58

Intergalactic Ponce Member Join Date: April 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,151
Ahh. I see.

From the sound point of view, yes I'd like to be able to listen to the higher resolution sound formats but it's a cost thing at the moment and, like the picture quality increse (with HD from DVD), the extra oomph soundwise that comes with BD/HDDVD is not the leap that ocurred with DVD from VHS. I'm happy with DD and DTS for now, but then I've not heard a true sound demo of the HD formats so I don't know what I'm missing.

Generally, I think it'll be about 12 months or so before I buy a stand alone BD player. Hopefully, they'll get down to the £250-300 mark in that time, be fully finalised (profile wise) and operationally quicker (load times) than the players currently out there.

12th January 2008 4:45  #59

Andrewr05 Member Join Date: December 2007 Location: United States Posts: 172 Send a message via Yahoo to Andrewr05
The only one backing HD-DVD is Paramount now, correct?

12th January 2008 8:00  #60

Cheddar J. Cheese Member Join Date: October 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,492
And Universal I think.
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