Andrewr05
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Oh yeah, Paramount and Universal but neither do it exclusively...
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They do at the moment. They just have the option to switch if they so desire.
Doesn't matter HD or BluRay, the future of DVD will die. Everything is/will be available online.
You're talking years and years before that happens.
Can someone draw a distinction between downloads and on demand and why downloads are the future as opposed to on demand which we have already.
And, if you assume most film colectors have say 400 DVD and up, how much storage capacity would you need to do away with physical disc media altogether. Ignoring the fact that most collectors like a physical disc and packaging rather than a download on a hard drive.
I still believe that there is a difference, not better or worse, between film enthusiasts and computer geeks (sorry, couldn't think of a better word) and that it's only your computer savvy person who's advocating downloads as the future as they love their hard drive more than the ability to go to a physical collection o films and select something, watch it and return it to that collection without any fuss.
And, if you assume most film colectors have say 400 DVD and up, how much storage capacity would you need to do away with physical disc media altogether. Ignoring the fact that most collectors like a physical disc and packaging rather than a download on a hard drive.
I still believe that there is a difference, not better or worse, between film enthusiasts and computer geeks (sorry, couldn't think of a better word) and that it's only your computer savvy person who's advocating downloads as the future as they love their hard drive more than the ability to go to a physical collection o films and select something, watch it and return it to that collection without any fuss.
Chris Gould wrote: It has no means of outputting multi-channel audio aside from HDMI, which means you need to buy a new amplifier to enjoy PCM, DD+, TrueHD, DTS-HD HR and DTS-HD MA. Most standalone decks have discrete analogue outputs and can internally decode most of those formats to passed as LPCM.
That's the only reason I dismissed it as a player. Wouldn't bother me so much if it was just for personal use, but it is quite limited when it comes to reviewing. Also, not much point having an HD viewing experience and an SD audio one.
I like what you said in that last sentence. Well said. Either go all the way or don't bother. You can't have system that does only half the job. I'll probably upgrade with a new BD player and amplifier at towards the end of the year, when I have more money.
That's the only reason I dismissed it as a player. Wouldn't bother me so much if it was just for personal use, but it is quite limited when it comes to reviewing. Also, not much point having an HD viewing experience and an SD audio one.
I like what you said in that last sentence. Well said. Either go all the way or don't bother. You can't have system that does only half the job. I'll probably upgrade with a new BD player and amplifier at towards the end of the year, when I have more money.
I partially agree with what Chris said with regard to having HD picture and HD sound but I'd have to disagree with him on it on an 'all or nothing' basis.
Not having the capability (via hardware) to reproduce the HD sound formats isn't a reason (for me) not to get into HD if for instance, I can only just afford a player (a PS3 in my case) and an HDTV.
The sound upgrade can come later on and it's not as if DD or DTS is inadequate along side the HD picture.
I would agree that it's largely pointless getting an HD Ready TV (over 32"
that isn't also 1080p. That for me is 'all or nothing' in that regard. Why spend money on a TV that can't deliver 100% of what's being output from the discs.
Back to the sound, strangely, I've listened to the PCM tracks (2 channel omly) on discs like POTC and found it to be quite immersive, given that the rears are always active, in a way that the 5.1 isn't in some ways.
Having said all that, I do take on board what Chris said about the PS3 being lacking as a player to completely review BD titles at this point in time. Until receivers with HDMI inputs start becoming more commonplace and affordable, it is.
However, (and no disprespect to Chris responding) my initial query over the PS3's lackings were to BoiBoi who seemed to suggest that it was lacking in the visual department rather than sound.
Not having the capability (via hardware) to reproduce the HD sound formats isn't a reason (for me) not to get into HD if for instance, I can only just afford a player (a PS3 in my case) and an HDTV.
The sound upgrade can come later on and it's not as if DD or DTS is inadequate along side the HD picture.
I would agree that it's largely pointless getting an HD Ready TV (over 32"
Back to the sound, strangely, I've listened to the PCM tracks (2 channel omly) on discs like POTC and found it to be quite immersive, given that the rears are always active, in a way that the 5.1 isn't in some ways.
Having said all that, I do take on board what Chris said about the PS3 being lacking as a player to completely review BD titles at this point in time. Until receivers with HDMI inputs start becoming more commonplace and affordable, it is.
However, (and no disprespect to Chris responding) my initial query over the PS3's lackings were to BoiBoi who seemed to suggest that it was lacking in the visual department rather than sound.
PS3 does lack in the visual department compare to new players like Panasonic BD30 for instance. From my testing, BD30 is a clear winner in the visual department, sharper and less noise. I'm using PS3 myself at the moment, I must say I'm a little disappointed with PS3 as a BD Player, however because I play PS games so the BD side of it was really more of a bonus, that's why I'm looking to change as soon as the BD50 comes out...
Apparently the BD-P1400 is better in the image stakes as well. From what someone told me today, it seems the PS3 fails blacker-than-black as well, which is shocking. I'd only really consider it as a one-stop shop media centre, games machine and future-proof way of watching Bonus View and BD Live features, never as a main player.
I have found black could be blacker on my Toshiba LCD but I kind of thought it was more down to the TV than the PS3. The Tosh isn't very tolerant of off angle viewing I find. Left or right, and it goes a tad milky. The same if you're stood up (higher than normal sitting position).
Relatively speaking though, in normal viewing position I'm really pleased with it. The best looking discs for me have been Casino Royale, Pirates, Blade Runner and Ocean's 11,12,13. The worst offender for blacks being milky and washed out was the title that should be damn perfect and that was Superman Returns.
Anyhoo, thanks both for the feedback on the other players.
Relatively speaking though, in normal viewing position I'm really pleased with it. The best looking discs for me have been Casino Royale, Pirates, Blade Runner and Ocean's 11,12,13. The worst offender for blacks being milky and washed out was the title that should be damn perfect and that was Superman Returns.
Anyhoo, thanks both for the feedback on the other players.
I love the way that Sony come up with Bluray and then kind of forget to tell everyone else about the changes that are going to be made, meaning that the PS3 - surprise surprise, another Sony product - is the only machine that can be upgraded to play the new discs when they come out, leaving everyone who brought an early Bluray player screwed
I BLOODY HATE SONY! - ROBBING BA....RDS!!!
I BLOODY HATE SONY! - ROBBING BA....RDS!!!
i purchased a sony blu-ray bdps1...and they have constantly sent me firmware updates. i believe i'm on update 3.60. i've had the option to download them and burn them on my pc or have actual discs mailed to me (which is the means i've chosen). i don't know if the firmware will suffice with what some of you have been talking about profile 1 vs. 1.1 or 2.0...any help is appreciated.
Nope, totally different thing. The profiles are hardware standards.
Wait till they start adding more layers to the discs....
Will they even bother if one format dies out? Smacks of a 'my cock is bigger than yours' war of words to me.
Actually if you put it that way, what you are saying Chris has merit - there is a chance they may not go ahead but just think of a 200GB disc that can do a backup of the companies server easily - just another application of it.
After all, they have already done the research....
After all, they have already done the research....
Aye, I guess the 200GB discs could have other applications (although 200GB wouldn't backup our server), but there could well be compatibility issues with triple/quad layer discs and older standalone players. Then again they might all work superbly and we could have everything (extras included) in HD
Chris Gould wrote: Aye, I guess the 200GB discs could have other applications (although 200GB wouldn't backup our server), but there could well be compatibility issues with triple/quad layer discs and older standalone players. Then again they might all work superbly and we could have everything (extras included) in HD
Gawd - Many informative websites would really have quite large databases - scary how big some are. I spose DVDActive would easily be hitting over a TB by now?
Players being built now would have to more than likely have their lasers changed as each layer relies on a particular focal point made by the laser hardware to read the data so more expense (if you get what I mean) but of course in theory by then when the 3 and 4 layer discs become mainstream then the players should be a hell of a lot cheaper...
I see by your last sentence you must be dreaming of world peace again
Players being built now would have to more than likely have their lasers changed as each layer relies on a particular focal point made by the laser hardware to read the data so more expense (if you get what I mean) but of course in theory by then when the 3 and 4 layer discs become mainstream then the players should be a hell of a lot cheaper...
I see by your last sentence you must be dreaming of world peace again
I was talking about my paying job, which isn't DVDActive
I was actually dreaming of a world without posters like Scottland!
You would think I had also something better to do maybe at 01:40 in the morning here in Australia!
You should be too busy hanging on for dear life down under as you're all upside down. I'm just impressed that you can type while doing that as well
He He!



