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BLUE-Ray VS HD-DVD

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12th January 2008 14:32  #61

Andrewr05 Member Join Date: December 2007 Location: United States Posts: 172 Send a message via Yahoo to Andrewr05
Oh yeah, Paramount and Universal but neither do it exclusively...

12th January 2008 17:17  #62

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,123 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
They do at the moment. They just have the option to switch if they so desire.

12th January 2008 19:11  #63

Tigerclaw Member Join Date: November 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 493 Send a message via MSN to Tigerclaw
Doesn't matter HD or BluRay, the future of DVD will die.  Everything is/will be available online.

12th January 2008 22:17  #64

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,123 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
You're talking years and years before that happens.

13th January 2008 9:50  #65

Intergalactic Ponce Member Join Date: April 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,151
Can someone draw a distinction between downloads and on demand and why downloads are the future as opposed to on demand which we have already.

And, if you assume most film colectors have say 400 DVD and up, how much storage capacity would you need to do away with physical disc media altogether. Ignoring the fact that most collectors like a physical disc and packaging rather than a download on a hard drive.

I still believe that there is a difference, not better or worse, between film enthusiasts and computer geeks (sorry, couldn't think of a better word) and that it's only your computer savvy person who's advocating downloads as the future as they love their hard drive more than the ability to go to a physical collection o films and select something, watch it and return it to that collection without any fuss.

13th January 2008 10:54  #66

Mark Lim Member Join Date: March 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 1,211
Chris Gould wrote: It has no means of outputting multi-channel audio aside from HDMI, which means you need to buy a new amplifier to enjoy PCM, DD+, TrueHD, DTS-HD HR and DTS-HD MA. Most standalone decks have discrete analogue outputs and can internally decode most of those formats to passed as LPCM.

That's the only reason I dismissed it as a player. Wouldn't bother me so much if it was just for personal use, but it is quite limited when it comes to reviewing. Also, not much point having an HD viewing experience and an SD audio one.


I like what you said in that last sentence. Well said. Either go all the way or don't bother. You can't have system that does only half the job. I'll probably upgrade with a new BD player and amplifier at towards the end of the year, when I have more money.

13th January 2008 13:58  #67

Intergalactic Ponce Member Join Date: April 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,151
I partially agree with what Chris said with regard to having HD picture and HD sound but I'd have to disagree with him on it on an 'all or nothing' basis.

Not having the capability (via hardware) to reproduce the HD sound formats isn't a reason (for me) not to get into HD if for instance, I can only just afford a player (a PS3 in my case) and an HDTV.

The sound upgrade can come later on and it's not as if DD or DTS is inadequate along side the HD picture.

I would agree that it's largely pointless getting an HD Ready TV (over 32"Wink that isn't also 1080p. That for me is 'all or nothing' in that regard. Why spend money on a TV that can't deliver 100% of what's being output from the discs.

Back to the sound, strangely, I've listened to the PCM tracks (2 channel omly) on discs like POTC and found it to be quite immersive, given that the rears are always active, in a way that the 5.1 isn't in some ways.

Having said all that, I do take on board what Chris said about the PS3 being lacking as a player to completely review BD titles at this point in time. Until receivers with HDMI inputs start becoming more commonplace and affordable, it is.

However, (and no disprespect to Chris responding) my initial query over the PS3's lackings were to BoiBoi who seemed to suggest that it was lacking in the visual department rather than sound.

14th January 2008 12:38  #68

BoBoi Member Join Date: June 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 1,109 Send a message via MSN to BoBoi Send a message via Yahoo to BoBoi
PS3 does lack in the visual department compare to new players like Panasonic BD30 for instance. From my testing, BD30 is a clear winner in the visual department, sharper and less noise. I'm using PS3 myself at the moment, I must say I'm a little disappointed with PS3 as a BD Player, however because I play PS games so the BD side of it was really more of a bonus, that's why I'm looking to change as soon as the BD50 comes out...

14th January 2008 15:23  #69

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,123 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
Apparently the BD-P1400 is better in the image stakes as well. From what someone told me today, it seems the PS3 fails blacker-than-black as well, which is shocking. I'd only really consider it as a one-stop shop media centre, games machine and future-proof way of watching Bonus View and BD Live features, never as a main player.

14th January 2008 20:00  #70

Intergalactic Ponce Member Join Date: April 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,151
I have found black could be blacker on my Toshiba LCD but I kind of thought it was more down to the TV than the PS3. The Tosh isn't very tolerant of off angle viewing I find. Left or right, and it goes a tad milky. The same if you're stood up (higher than normal sitting position).

Relatively speaking though, in normal viewing position I'm really pleased with it. The best looking discs for me have been Casino Royale, Pirates, Blade Runner and Ocean's 11,12,13. The worst offender for blacks being milky and washed out was the title that should be damn perfect and that was Superman Returns.

Anyhoo, thanks both for the feedback on the other players.

14th January 2008 23:45  #71

Gunsprout Member Join Date: March 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 171
I love the way that Sony come up with Bluray and then kind of forget to tell everyone else about the changes that are going to be made, meaning that the PS3 - surprise surprise, another Sony product - is the only machine that can be upgraded to play the new discs when they come out, leaving everyone who brought an early Bluray player screwed

I BLOODY HATE SONY! - ROBBING BA....RDS!!!

15th January 2008 21:57  #72

alex77014 Member Join Date: June 2006 Location: United States Posts: 187 Send a message via Yahoo to alex77014
i purchased a sony blu-ray bdps1...and they have constantly sent me firmware updates.  i believe i'm on update 3.60.  i've had the option to download them and burn them on my pc or have actual discs mailed to me (which is the means i've chosen).  i don't know if the firmware will suffice with what some of you have been talking about profile 1 vs. 1.1 or 2.0...any help is appreciated.

15th January 2008 22:32  #73

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,123 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
Nope, totally different thing. The profiles are hardware standards.

17th January 2008 18:05  #74

Worst Nightmare Senior Member Join Date: July 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 6,706 Send a message via AIM to Worst Nightmare Send a message via ICQ to Worst Nightmare Send a message via MSN to Worst Nightmare Send a message via Yahoo to Worst Nightmare Send a message via Google to Worst Nightmare
Wait till they start adding more layers to the discs....

17th January 2008 18:41  #75

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,123 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
Will they even bother if one format dies out? Smacks of a 'my cock is bigger than yours' war of words to me.

18th January 2008 5:29  #76

Worst Nightmare Senior Member Join Date: July 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 6,706 Send a message via AIM to Worst Nightmare Send a message via ICQ to Worst Nightmare Send a message via MSN to Worst Nightmare Send a message via Yahoo to Worst Nightmare Send a message via Google to Worst Nightmare
Actually if you put it that way, what you are saying Chris has merit - there is a chance they may not go ahead but just think of a 200GB disc that can do a backup of the companies server easily - just another application of it.
After all, they have already done the research....

18th January 2008 10:40  #77

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,123 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
Aye, I guess the 200GB discs could have other applications (although 200GB wouldn't backup our server), but there could well be compatibility issues with triple/quad layer discs and older standalone players. Then again they might all work superbly and we could have everything (extras included) in HD Happy

18th January 2008 14:18  #78

Worst Nightmare Senior Member Join Date: July 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 6,706 Send a message via AIM to Worst Nightmare Send a message via ICQ to Worst Nightmare Send a message via MSN to Worst Nightmare Send a message via Yahoo to Worst Nightmare Send a message via Google to Worst Nightmare
Chris Gould wrote: Aye, I guess the 200GB discs could have other applications (although 200GB wouldn't backup our server), but there could well be compatibility issues with triple/quad layer discs and older standalone players. Then again they might all work superbly and we could have everything (extras included) in HD HappyGawd - Many informative websites would really have quite large databases - scary how big some are. I spose DVDActive would easily be hitting over a TB by now?
Players being built now would have to more than likely have their lasers changed as each layer relies on a particular focal point made by the laser hardware to read the data so more expense (if you get what I mean) but of course in theory by then when the 3 and 4 layer discs become mainstream then the players should be a hell of a lot cheaper...
I see by your last sentence you must be dreaming of world peace again Wink

18th January 2008 14:28  #79

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,123 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
I was talking about my paying job, which isn't DVDActive Wink I was actually dreaming of a world without posters like Scottland!

18th January 2008 14:39  #80

Worst Nightmare Senior Member Join Date: July 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 6,706 Send a message via AIM to Worst Nightmare Send a message via ICQ to Worst Nightmare Send a message via MSN to Worst Nightmare Send a message via Yahoo to Worst Nightmare Send a message via Google to Worst Nightmare
You would think I had also something better to do maybe at 01:40 in the morning here in Australia!

18th January 2008 16:11  #81

Intergalactic Ponce Member Join Date: April 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,151
You should be too busy hanging on for dear life down under as you're all upside down. I'm just impressed that you can type while doing that as wellHappy

19th January 2008 5:02  #82

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