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21st July 2006 1:41  #1

Tigerclaw Member Join Date: November 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 493 Send a message via MSN to Tigerclaw
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Kevin Smith lashed out at Joel Siegel after the movie critic stormed out of a screening of Clerks II during a scene where the characters are discussing hiring woman to perform sexual favors on a donkey. Siegel got out of his seat and yelled: "Time to go! First movie I've walked out of in 30 [bleeping] years!" In response, Kevin Smith wrote on his MySpace:

"Getting a bad review from Siegel is like a badge of honor. This is the guy who stole his mustachioed-critic shtick from Gene Shalit years ago, and still refuses to give it back. This is a guy who seemingly prides himself on his own nyuk-nyuk wordplay. For 'Pirates 2,' he made us all titter with 'Yo, Ho, Ho and a Bottle of Fun' . . . He made us squeal with delight when he wrote, 'Wheelie Good Time for "Cars." ' I mean, Fozzy [bleeping] Bear laughs at this guy."
And there's more: "I don't need Joel Siegel to [bleep] my [bleep] the way he apparently [bleeps] M. Night Shyamalan's, gushing over his flick ['The Lady in the Water'] before he's even seen it, but [bleep] man, man - how about a little common [bleeping] courtesy? You never, never disrupt a movie, simply because you don't like it. Cardinal rule of moviegoing: Shut your [bleeping] mouth while the movie's playing.

"I don't come down to your job and slap the taste out of your mouth for coming up with a line like, ' "Shark Tale" Is a Halibut Good Time' - so don't [bleep] with my stuff while it's still screening . . . What are you, a 12-year-old boy cutting loose with your pals at a Friday night screening of 'Scary Movie' 4' while your parents are in a theater down the hall watching 'The Devil Wears Prada'? Leave the diva-like behavior and drama-queen antics to the movie stars, not the movie reviewer, ya' rude-ass [bleep]."

21st July 2006 1:43  #2

Tigerclaw Member Join Date: November 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 493 Send a message via MSN to Tigerclaw
I wanted to share the above post from another site....it's so funny!

21st July 2006 2:23  #3

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,115 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
We were listening to the radio interview where he confronted him earlier. Bloody amusing.

21st July 2006 3:02  #4

Jersey Jedi Member Join Date: August 2004 Location: United States Posts: 714
Siegal is one of the WORST movie critics anywhere. He's a schmuck who attributes nothing to industry. This just proves it.

21st July 2006 13:11  #5

Stephen Etherton Member Join Date: October 2003 Location: United States Posts: 706
Rock on Kevin Smith!  Professional movie critics are way past their prime, and with everyone and their brother (and sister) commenting stuff on the 'net the profession is going the way of the dinosaur.   Let's all boycott Siegal nd hire a woman and a donkey to prove who we support!!!   Um, okay... maybe not.

21st July 2006 18:33  #6

Adrian Senior Member Join Date: September 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1,305
Am I the only one that is surprised that this has been fairly well reveiwed.  I was on rottentomatoes earlier and it was at 73% fresh.

21st July 2006 19:02  #7

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,115 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
They got a 15 minute standing ovation at Cannes.

21st July 2006 21:00  #8

Slave2Horror Member Join Date: March 2006 Location: United States Posts: 116 Send a message via MSN to Slave2Horror
I hate all movie critics because they think there opinions are facts like saying this movie IS horrible dont see it. instead of logiclly saying I did not care for this movie in my opinion its 1 star out of 5, but you go see it for yourself and you can decide!

21st July 2006 21:06  #9

Mr.Badass Banned Join Date: April 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 539
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Critics suck , nuff said, loads of great films critics hated

21st July 2006 21:24  #10

Jersey Jedi Member Join Date: August 2004 Location: United States Posts: 714
Chris Gould wrote: They got a 15 minute standing ovation at Cannes.

8 Minutes, according to Kevin, but impressive never the less. DON'T F**K WITH JERSEY BOYS!

22nd July 2006 1:40  #11

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,115 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
The Internet adds like, seven minutes Wink

22nd July 2006 2:09  #12

Tony DeFrancisco Senior Member Join Date: July 2005 Location: United States Posts: 2,652
Did anyone see it yet? How was it? Hopefully I'll be able to see it tomorrow.


Anyway, I was searchin around on myspace and I found his. The url is: http://www.myspace.com/therealkevinsmith.

And here was his whole blog entry, titled "A D**k In A Mustache is Still Just A D**k" (sorry about that crude language, I didnt get a chance to edit it):

So last night, at a press screening of "Clerks II" in New York City, "Good Morning America" movie critic Joel Siegel decided he'd had enough of my shenanigans, and walked out of the flick at the forty minute mark. You'd imagine this would bother me, and yet, I'm as delighted by this news as I was with the eight minute standing ovation "Clerks II" received in Cannes.

I mean, it's Joel Siegel, for Christ's sake. As Paul Thomas Anderson once said of the man, getting a bad review from Siegel is like a badge of honor. This is the guy who stole his mustachioed critic shtick from Gene Shalit years ago, and still refuses to give it back. This is a guy who seemingly prides himself on being "punny" - that is, he likes to add his own nyuk-nyuk wordplay into the reviews he writes/gives.

For "Pirates 2", he made us all titter with "Yo, Ho, Ho and a Bottle of Fun".

For Pixar's lastest, he made us squeal with delight when he wrote "Wheelie Good Time for 'Cars'".

Can you believe he somehow not only made us laugh, but also think, when he challenged our perception with "X-Men' Fails to X-cite"?

I mean, Fozzy f**king Bear laughs at this guy (AT, mind you, not WITH).

So while I feel like my life will be a little bleaker now that I'll never know what pun Joel would've dug deeply into his comedic well to produce for "Clerks II" ("'Clerks II?' More like 'Jerks, Too'!"Wink, I've gotta admit that I'm relieved somebody was finally offended by the flick - enough to head for the exit less than an hour in. I was beginning to think I was losing my touch.

I can't fault Mr. Siegel for feeling "revolted" (his producer's description of Joel's reaction) by our flick; in truth, there is a donkey show in it, and I recognize that brand of whimsy might not be for everybody. Film appreciation is very subjective, and maybe Joel just isn't into ass-to-mouth conversations.

However, I CAN fault him for the manner in which he left the screening.

Apparently, rather than quietly exit, both Joel and his Cum-Catcher (my slang for the fancy kind of mustache he sports) made a big stink about walking out, calling as much attention to himself as possible, and being generally pretty disruptive.

Check this s**t out: roughly forty minutes into the flick, when Randal orders up the third act donkey show, Siegel bellowed to his fellow critics "Time to go!'' and "This is the first movie I've walked out of in 30 f**king years!''

Now, I don't need Joel Siegel to suck my d**k the way he apparently sucks M. Night's, gushing over his flick before he's even seen it; but s**t, man - how about a little common f**king courtesy?
Never mind the fact that when you're paid to watch movies for a living and the only tasks required of you are to a) sit through said movies and b) write your thoughts about them before your deadline, walking out before a movie's over is pretty unprofessional. Never mind the fact that the scene he was offended by (the ordering of the donkey show), with its (misleading) crude references is only the set-up to a third act pay-off that is a true bait-and-switch from where Joel's imagination went (and if you've already seen the flick, you KNOW what I'm talking about). Never mind that this dude is so straight-laced in his tastes and hyperbolic in his praise that when The Onion took a poke at Joel, I was almost unsure whether it was a joke or not...

You never... NEVER disrupt a movie, simply because you don't like it.

Cardinal rule of movie-going: shut your f**king mouth while the movie's playing. They even ask you to do so in the pre-show run-up to every flick ("Cell phones and pagers off, no talking during the show"Wink. This guy went beyond talking, even; he was making a spectacle of himself as he left. I've now spoken to three folks in attendance last night, and all have said that Siegel WANTED everyone to know how disgusted he was, and that he was leaving. If you want to share your displeasure with everyone, that's fine, dude; just do it AFTER the movie, not during. Some folks were enjoying themselves. I don't come down to your job and slap the taste out of your mouth for coming up with a line like "'Shark Tale' Is a Halibut Good Time"; so don't f**k with my stuff WHILE IT'S STILL SCREENING.

S**t, Joel, I know you like being on camera and all, but was it so difficult to not be the center of attention for 40 minutes that you just had to sparkle, Neely, sparkle-it up for your peers instead of showing them a little goddamn courtesy by leaving the theater the way most people do, either during or after the picture: quietly? What are you, a twelve year old boy, cutting loose with your pals at a Friday night screening of "Scary Movie 4" while your parents are in a theater down the hall watching "The Devil Wears Prada"? Leave the diva-like behavior and drama-queen antics to the movie stars, not the movie reviewer, ya' rude-ass prick.

It makes me laugh to think that, had Joel stayed 'til the end (like any good critic would for any movie they're paid to watch), he would've seen that we weren't going where he seemed to think we were going. But apparently, Joel took a cue from his own "Poseiden" review, in which he wrote "Audiences today wouldn't stand for an hour of exposition before the flood hit. In fact, they wouldn't stand; they'd walk out." Well, Magnum (y'know - because of the mustache), I guess you're a member of that same audience that can't stand exposition.

Look, I don't hate the guy. S**t, I'm glad he survived his fairly recent bout with cancer. But his behavior in that screening was unconscionable and professionally unethical, not to mention childishly disruptive. And while I might get laughed at for saying this... well, I just expected more from Joel Siegel.

*sigh*

22nd July 2006 2:47  #13

Tony DeFrancisco Senior Member Join Date: July 2005 Location: United States Posts: 2,652
Oh I didnt read Jersey Jedi's post. My mistake. Sorry about that

22nd July 2006 18:01  #14

Jersey Jedi Member Join Date: August 2004 Location: United States Posts: 714
I saw it last night. Really really good. Not as incredibly funny as the first one, but it was still a good laugh. The ending was really great too and provided a nice bookend to the entire 'Clerks' universe (while still leaving room for Smith to come back to the well when deemed necessary, tee hehe).

I also liked how the movie itself was a reasoning for making the movie in the first place. I'll wait till others comment on the film before I continue further tho...

P.S. No biggie Tony, but make sure you check out the link, as it has the confrontation between Kevin and the Mustache robber on the Opie and Anthony Show in MP3 form.

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