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25th June 2005 21:33  #1

Keith Member Join Date: June 2005 Location: United States Posts: 221
DVD Piracy
I just don't go for this hogwash about the movie industry hurting because of this.  DVD cost a few cents for them and comparing to VHS a huge money maker.  Its been the most successful format in history.  And look how much they charge for them.  

I'm not saying its ok to do that, though I do feel it should be ok after buying it to make a copy for your kids, or for backup purposes, especially for those very expensive box sets which costs in the hundreds should 1 disc get destroyed.  I'm not gonna lie and say I never downloaded a movie, because I have.  But I usually buy it when its released too.  I have a huge collection of purchased DVDs.  I just don't go for this "its killing us" hype.  I just think its greed.  What is your opinion on these two issues?

25th June 2005 21:36  #2

Stefano Agostini Member Join Date: June 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 116
I think the downloading is bad, but the backing up movies is ok.

26th June 2005 4:41  #3

Jonny "Me You" Senior Member Join Date: March 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,863
Piracy is a very small part of Hollywood's problem in the grande scheme of things. Most people who view pirated copies wouldnt have otherwise bothered to do so anyhow.

26th June 2005 5:43  #4

floyd dylan Banned Join Date: April 2004 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 913
I think piracy is bad, but I also think the best way Hollywood can do to save money is to stop paying out over the top money to actors!

26th June 2005 13:55  #5

Worst Nightmare Senior Member Join Date: July 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 6,706 Send a message via AIM to Worst Nightmare Send a message via ICQ to Worst Nightmare Send a message via MSN to Worst Nightmare Send a message via Yahoo to Worst Nightmare Send a message via Google to Worst Nightmare
Quote: Originally posted by Stefano Agostini
I think the downloading is bad, but the backing up movies is ok.
I agree with what you say here but I don't agree with the way they (hollywood) release crappy dvd's with special editions that are released later (double dipping) and poor quality dvd's. Also, if they reduce the price a bit, alot of the piracy wouldn't happen...

26th June 2005 19:53  #6

Keith Member Join Date: June 2005 Location: United States Posts: 221
wait and wait and wait..zzzzz
Yes, that double dipping is frustrating.  I've learned my lesson.  The only thing is that it is such a very long wait.  I still haven't seen T3 on a special release yet.  I was hoping for DTS or a HD transfer.  I got tired of waiting and bought it a couple weeks ago from Blockbuster as a previewed DVD for 10 dollars.

26th June 2005 19:59  #7

Worst Nightmare Senior Member Join Date: July 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 6,706 Send a message via AIM to Worst Nightmare Send a message via ICQ to Worst Nightmare Send a message via MSN to Worst Nightmare Send a message via Yahoo to Worst Nightmare Send a message via Google to Worst Nightmare
Quote: Originally posted by Keith Gump
I still haven't seen T3 on a special release yet.  I was hoping for DTS or a HD transfer.  I got tired of waiting and bought it a couple weeks ago from Blockbuster as a previewed DVD for 10 dollars.

Maybe you could have imported the region 4 version - it has DTS...

26th June 2005 20:40  #8

floyd dylan Banned Join Date: April 2004 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 913
Apparently they're going to film additional scenes to the movie, before they release it on special edition.

26th June 2005 21:23  #9

Darren Russell Member Join Date: June 2004 Location: United States Posts: 208
Quote: Originally posted by floyd dylan
I think piracy is bad, but I also think the best way Hollywood can do to save money is to stop paying out over the top money to actors!

Amen to that!!  Especially when they put out bomb after bomb!  

26th June 2005 21:26  #10

Darren Russell Member Join Date: June 2004 Location: United States Posts: 208
Quote: Originally posted by Keith Gump
Yes, that double dipping is frustrating.  I've learned my lesson.  The only thing is that it is such a very long wait.  I still haven't seen T3 on a special release yet.  I was hoping for DTS or a HD transfer.  I got tired of waiting and bought it a couple weeks ago from Blockbuster as a previewed DVD for 10 dollars.


I learned my lesson as well, and now I wait instead of rushing out on New Release Tuesday to buy DVD's like I used to.

26th June 2005 21:37  #11

Keith Member Join Date: June 2005 Location: United States Posts: 221
Quote: Originally posted by floyd dylan
Apparently they're going to film additional scenes to the movie, before they release it on special edition.


Thanks Floyd

26th June 2005 23:22  #12

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,108 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
Quote: Originally posted by floyd dylan
Apparently they're going to film additional scenes to the movie, before they release it on special edition.


Presumably scenes to improve it? The film certainly needs them.

As for 'piracy', it's been around for years and is now being cited as the cause of all woes for everyone (music industry, games industry, film industry). If the people concerned actually provided a product that is worth buying at a fair price in the first place, people wouldn't need to resort to 'piracy' (stupid bloody name for it).

The studios rip us off time after time by releasing so-called ultimate versions of our favourite films, only to release better versions a few months down the line. Cynical bastards.

They bleat on about how much revenue they are loosing because of people downloading films, but most people who regularly download are - in my experience - not the type of people who would buy the discs in the fist place. What really pisses me off are the patronising adverts on DVDs telling us not to be naughty and copy movies. Hello dumbarses, I just bought the bloody film! Is it really necessary to make me sit through a 2-minute forced propaganda piece on behalf of FACT or whoever?

Anyway, I'll stop now as I'm just ranting. Suffice to say that I hate the way that the consumer is being blamed for studios 'losing out', without them taking any responsibility for their dubious pricing and marketing strategies. Oh boo hoo, you only made 15 billion profit this year, instead of 16 billion...

There was a brilliant episode of South Park that touched on this subject. Well worth watching for a good laugh.

27th June 2005 16:38  #13

Jonny "Me You" Senior Member Join Date: March 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,863
Quote: Originally posted by Chris Gould

As for 'piracy', it's been around for years and is now being cited as the cause of all woes for everyone (music industry, games industry, film industry). If the people concerned actually provided a product that is worth buying at a fair price in the first place, people wouldn't need to resort to 'piracy' (stupid bloody name for it).

The studios rip us off time after time by releasing so-called ultimate versions of our favourite films, only to release better versions a few months down the line. Cynical bastards.


Amen Brother Chris!

27th June 2005 18:35  #14

Mal Webmaster Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,290
Chris, you should start an organisation, I would subscribe to your newsletter. Wink

It's true though, those FACT trailers are so condescending; you are mad if you seriously think some bloke selling DVDs is a major contributing factor to terrorism. Unless money laundering, arms dealing and drugs aren't the money making schemes we've been lead to believe. These people are just trying to pull the "fear" string like everyone else, it's so tiresome.

27th June 2005 23:32  #15

Gabe Powers Editor Join Date: September 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4,442 Send a message via ICQ to Gabe Powers
I'd never seen one of those untill I reviewed a R2 disc. I love the HK anti-piracy campagn with all the Triads thanking you for copying the disc. I think HK is a lost cause at this point guys. I don't 'pirate' movies simply because I am a geeky collector and want original pressings and artwork.

...video games on the other hand...

And Mal, you should be affraid...very affraid it's idealistic nuts like you that maintain the sorry middle class in our capitalist societies.

(Wink)

28th June 2005 0:07  #16

Mal Webmaster Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,290
That's another strike against Gabe for the record; if he's not offending me, he's wasting my money recommending potentially rubbish DVDs! Wink

28th June 2005 0:36  #17

Gabe Powers Editor Join Date: September 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4,442 Send a message via ICQ to Gabe Powers
Just returning the favor. So far the only recommendations you've made to me was Old Boy and Spaced, the single worst movie and TV show in history.

(by that of course I mean my new favorite TV show and the best movie I've seen in over a year)

28th June 2005 2:15  #18

Mark Lim Member Join Date: March 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 1,211
I hate pirated movies! Quality is SHIT!

I'm glad that I can get any new release one to two weeks before you guys! It is only a liitle bit more expensive than buying my local dvd, but the money is worth it!

28th June 2005 4:37  #19

Worst Nightmare Senior Member Join Date: July 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 6,706 Send a message via AIM to Worst Nightmare Send a message via ICQ to Worst Nightmare Send a message via MSN to Worst Nightmare Send a message via Yahoo to Worst Nightmare Send a message via Google to Worst Nightmare
I have just seen a new copy of the dvd of Star Wars Episode 3 and damn the quality on it is very good and it has 5.1 sound and it doesn't have the blurred out timing marks...this pirated movie is damn good.

 Posted by Gabriel  very affraid it's idealistic nuts like you that maintain the sorry middle class in our capitalist societies.
I wonder where I sit in your world of society Gabe? (or maybe I shouldn't have asked Wink) Again you scare me Gabe Laugh2

28th June 2005 7:05  #20

Keith Member Join Date: June 2005 Location: United States Posts: 221
fudge factor
Quote: Originally posted by Chris Gould
Oh boo hoo, you only made 15 billion profit this year, instead of 16 billion...


Lets send them a box of fudgesicles for the lame effort.

Laugh

28th June 2005 7:12  #21

Gabe Powers Editor Join Date: September 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4,442 Send a message via ICQ to Gabe Powers
I was kidding!!! I thought the winking happy face established that!! Anyone who knows me personally knows that I'm anything but  capitalist.

HA HA, com'on guys laugh with me, I wouldn't actually insult my webmaster for being a good guy. Especially not in a public forum. Laugh

In all seriousness I can't beleive how much it costs to make movies. There is no real reason (though I've heard plenty) as to why the entire LOTR trilogy was just over 300 mil including ads, and Spider Man 2 was 210 or what ever. Studios need to stop putting all their eggs in 2 or 3 baskets a year, it's starting to catch up with them.

28th June 2005 19:43  #22

Jonny "Me You" Senior Member Join Date: March 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,863
Quote: Originally posted by Gabriel Powers
 There is no real reason (though I've heard plenty) as to why the entire LOTR trilogy was just over 300 mil including ads, and Spider Man 2 was 210 or what ever. Studios need to stop putting all their eggs in 2 or 3 baskets a year, it's starting to catch up with them.


I think analysts have been saying the same thing. A large part of the Hollywood slump isn't the bogus cry of piracy, its the reckless way they do business. Give me $100 million bones and I'll make you one hell of a good movie. If a "star" wanted multi-millions to be in it, I'd send him packing and pay Joe Blow $50,000.

29th June 2005 15:23  #23

Worst Nightmare Senior Member Join Date: July 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 6,706 Send a message via AIM to Worst Nightmare Send a message via ICQ to Worst Nightmare Send a message via MSN to Worst Nightmare Send a message via Yahoo to Worst Nightmare Send a message via Google to Worst Nightmare
Quote: Originally posted by Jonny "Me You"
Give me $100 million bones and I'll make you one hell of a good movie. If a "star" wanted multi-millions to be in it, I'd send him packing and pay Joe Blow $50,000.

So true - even if you have a mediocure actor but you have a fantastic script and a great production crew you will certianly have a hit on your hands...

13th July 2005 5:30  #24

Keith Member Join Date: June 2005 Location: United States Posts: 221
Quote: Originally posted by Gabriel Powers
In all seriousness I can't beleive how much it costs to make movies. There is no real reason (though I've heard plenty) as to why the entire LOTR trilogy was just over 300 mil including ads, and Spider Man 2 was 210 or what ever. Studios need to stop putting all their eggs in 2 or 3 baskets a year, it's starting to catch up with them.


Watch the extended special edition extras dvd(s) What a huge amount of effort just went into these extra DVD, besides the actual footage.

You'll see why it costs so much.  Maybe these guys should be audited.  Can we arrange a dunking booth?  Can we throw huge jaded cluster balls?  I'm not knocking LOR though. I think its the greatest movie of all time, since my childhood.  Well, I need to consider Sound of Music, but I really don't want to.

13th July 2005 5:50  #25

Mark Lim Member Join Date: March 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 1,211
I think people like DVD better than going to thee movies because they can enjoy it in their own comfort and space, plus all the other accessories are cheaper ie. Popcorn, Soft Drinks, etc. and you can have as many people as you want over to watch the movie and save a lot of money on movie tickets.
Last of all, the dvd is of digital quality, so the piture and sound is if not better than the cinemas.

So piracy is not that big an issue, unless you happen to be in China, Malaysia or the Philippines, or even Indonesia.

14th July 2005 0:07  #26

Gabe Powers Editor Join Date: September 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4,442 Send a message via ICQ to Gabe Powers
No, Keith, what I meant was the LOTR films were relativly inexpensive, especially considering what made it onto the screen, whereas there are plenty of other films that cost twice as much to make. filming in New Zealand shoudn't be THAT much cheaper.

14th July 2005 4:11  #27

Keith Member Join Date: June 2005 Location: United States Posts: 221
Quote: Originally posted by Gabriel Powers
No, Keith, what I meant was the LOTR films were relativly inexpensive, especially considering what made it onto the screen, whereas there are plenty of other films that cost twice as much to make. filming in New Zealand shoudn't be THAT much cheaper.


Ok, understood.  I didn't think that through thoroughly.  I don't pay much attention to how much they cost, but I do think it is way too much in general to spend that much for any movie.  World poverty, feed the hungry?  Feed me?  The list would be endless.

14th July 2005 19:55  #28

floyd dylan Banned Join Date: April 2004 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 913
I said it before and I'll say it again, to save money they're going to have to stop paying actors millions of pounds/dollars.

Some of the A list actors get paid $40 million to star in ONE movie!!!  Surely the studio should say thank you for your services but now we're cutting back and we're going to use a cheaper actor.

If the studios start to refuse to pay millions to these actors, and refuse to put them in any more movies, and then these actors will have to fall in line or retire.

Lets face it these people crave attention, and they'll soon start dropping their price tag, when the work stops coming in.

15th July 2005 3:10  #29

Jonny "Me You" Senior Member Join Date: March 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,863
Quote: Originally posted by floyd dylan

Lets face it these people crave attention, and they'll soon start dropping their price tag, when the work stops coming in.


How true. You can already see this happening when an older actress or a has been actor won't throw in the towel or turn to business but instead go on the stage play circuit for a fraction of what they would have gotten in film.

27th July 2005 4:49  #30

Phoenix Flame Member Join Date: July 2005 Location: United States Posts: 18
i think it is ridiculous that a person who pirates dvds can get more time in jail than a person who drives drunk and kills someone. The drunk driver has an easier time of getting a more reduced or less sentence than a dvd pirater. Comes to show you that even hollywood has a part in the government.
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