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HD-DVD and Blu Ray DOA

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6th September 2005 14:36  #1

Jonny "Me You" Senior Member Join Date: March 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,863
HD-DVD and Blu Ray DOA
What a joke. If you want either format you need an HDTV with BOTH a)an HDMI connection and b) A phone jack or broadband internet connection SO THEY CAN MONITOR WHAT YOU WATCH AND HOW! on equipment you've already paid for.

Sorry, no sale! Annoyed

What a waste of a few hundred million dollars. Idiots!

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6th September 2005 17:38  #2

Matt Contributor Join Date: October 2004 Location: United States Posts: 2,113
All these problems have prompted me into spending my money building a new Windows Media PC for my entertainment center late next winter or early spring instead of forking over cash for one of these tabletop players. HD-DVD and/or BluRay drives for a PC will be cheaper than a tabletop player to boot when I decide to purchase one to upgrade the media PC with one, and there are always ways around software and hardware on a PC.

6th September 2005 17:52  #3

floyd dylan Banned Join Date: April 2004 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 913
I've said it before and I'll say it again.

What is the point of upgrading your DVD player when you won't get any advantage from it at all?

You’re not going to see anything different when you're watching a movie, it's still the same, and the majority of the films won't get the digitally remastered because a lot of the smaller companies can't afford to.

And a lot of the big companies such as Sony will con you by releasing another DVD saying this Blu Ray disc is even more super than your previous Blu Ray DVD that you bought a month ago.

The only reason people upgrade games consoles is because people can tell that the graphics and the hardware are even better and more sophisticated than the old system.

Film will always be the same, there would be no change, and they'll be a film out there in some other country that will have a better picture or sound or have extra footage that the R1 or R2 edition doesn't have.

And instead of DVD comparisons will have Blu Ray comparisons, because companies around the world can't decide what the contrast on the movie should be, or they'll have the wrong colour grass.

Remember the picture quality controversy over Halloween?  It will happen again but on Blu Ray!!!

The only time I'll upgrade is when they're on file format, like MP3 only a 100 times better, and they'll be a device to play it on that you can either watch at the palm of your hands or hook up to the TV or monitor.

6th September 2005 20:56  #4

rob murray Member Join Date: November 2004 Location: United States Posts: 477
YEAH RIGHT! thatll be the day that i connect a DVD player to the internet. I dont think so.

7th September 2005 0:54  #5

Gabe Powers Editor Join Date: September 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4,467 Send a message via ICQ to Gabe Powers
y'know floyd, I feel the same way about the DTS VS Dolby Digital debate.

7th September 2005 12:26  #6

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,115 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
I forked out £700 for a new widescreen set with progressive NTSC capability just over a year ago, and it's already obsolete (I recently saw the next model up, which also does PAL prog for less than I paid). There's no way I'll be buying another expensive piece of hardware for at least another four years (maybe longer).

Sure these new formats will offer increased resolution, but for the majority of people that just won't be enough. It won't even be enough for me. The difference between VHS and DVD is massive. It's not just a case of having more than double the resolution, you also have multi-channel discrete digital sound, bonus material, the convenience of being able to chapter skip and change languages on the fly (at least before they started putting use prohibited operations on everything).

The leap from DVD to the next gen formats just isn't as big. Not only that, but the marketing tactics of studios don't exactly help matters. Back when DVD first started to get slightly mainstream (around '99 over here) I was the first person I knew with a player - by some way. Back then DVDs had more features, new releases were often in two for £30 deals, and we only got one version of a film. Since they became a phenomenon the studios have tried to fuck the public over with all these multiple releases and artificially high RRPs for 'big' titles - how can they justify charging £25 for two shiny discs?

I'm really sick of the state of the market at the moment. They are just going to bleed it for all they can until the bubble bursts and people move on to something else, at which time they'll try to exploit that as well. Whatever happened to quality over quantity? Why release three average versions of a film when you could release one great one? Simple - money. Fuck the greedy bastards. They'll try it with the new formats as well, but with the increased storage they just won't have any excuse for not getting things right first time. Of course they'll try their hardest to fleece us again, but I'm wondering what they'll blame 'poor' sales on when the time comes? Terrorism? Piracy? Elves?

7th September 2005 13:37  #7

floyd dylan Banned Join Date: April 2004 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 913
Elves come out at midnight and make shoes remember?

7th September 2005 14:30  #8

Jonny "Me You" Senior Member Join Date: March 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,863
Is it really a surprise that the loonatics running Hollywood don't "get it?"

I had a mild enthousiasm for the next-gen players despite not even having an HDTV. I've just about lost all of it now. Monitoring what I watch tore it for me, beyond anything else. It isn't enough you pay the manufacturers and studios $1500 for a player and probably another $65 for each movie title. They have to know what you're watching and when. Fuck that!

At least that clarifies my DVD movie purchasing for the future. I'll save a lot of money over the long run too, what with not having to get a new player and software and all Very Happy

BTW, great post Chris! I half expect one day Hollywood just to come right out and say it - "you people aren't paying us enough profit!"..Tongue

7th September 2005 14:48  #9

Matt Contributor Join Date: October 2004 Location: United States Posts: 2,113
Quote: Originally posted by Chris Gould
the convenience of being able to chapter skip and change languages on the fly (at least before they started putting use prohibited operations on everything).

Ugh...I hate that! Not being able to switch from one audio track to another or not being able to turn subtitles on and off without heading back to an options menu is #2 on my list of DVD pet peeves.

And while I'm at it, I'd like to know what complete idiot at Fox decided it would be a good idea to quit including subtitles on The Simpsons season sets...it has made watching the episodes with the audio commentary on far less enjoyable.

7th September 2005 19:06  #10

Gabe Powers Editor Join Date: September 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4,467 Send a message via ICQ to Gabe Powers
Fucking Elves stole my job!! I say back to the North Pole with all those short, pointy eared, bottom feeders. We need to increase our border potrol on the north side, maybe even hire a few crazy Canadian vigilanties to do that for us. The only good elf, is a dead elf.

7th September 2005 19:23  #11

Matt Contributor Join Date: October 2004 Location: United States Posts: 2,113
Quote: Originally posted by Gabriel Powers
Fucking Elves stole my job!! I say back to the North Pole with all those short, pointy eared, bottom feeders. We need to increase our border potrol on the north side, maybe even hire a few crazy Canadian vigilanties to do that for us. The only good elf, is a dead elf.

Elves, a bunch of mindless jerks who'll be the first against the wall when the revolution comes!

7th September 2005 20:03  #12

Gabe Powers Editor Join Date: September 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4,467 Send a message via ICQ to Gabe Powers
Matt, shhh, this is a public forum. We can't reveal ourselves just yet...

7th September 2005 23:46  #13

Jonny "Me You" Senior Member Join Date: March 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,863
Quote: Originally posted by Gabriel Powers
maybe even hire a few crazy Canadian vigilanties to do that for us. The only good elf, is a dead elf.


I got the crazy part down, and I hate elves. How much ya paying? Wink

8th September 2005 0:34  #14

Gabe Powers Editor Join Date: September 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4,467 Send a message via ICQ to Gabe Powers
Iceland has already taken sides in this battle

Your either against elves, or against us. Johnny, We pay $55 a week (Canadian) and there's a good dental plan included. You pay the moving expenses.

8th September 2005 1:51  #15

Tony DeFrancisco Senior Member Join Date: July 2005 Location: United States Posts: 2,652
I'm in.

8th September 2005 2:05  #16

Jonny "Me You" Senior Member Join Date: March 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,863
Quote: Originally posted by Gabriel Powers
Iceland has already taken sides in this battle

Your either against elves, or against us. Johnny, We pay $55 a week (Canadian) and there's a good dental plan included. You pay the moving expenses.


Woo hoo, a dental plan! Who's moving? The elves? I'll just beat em to death with their own shoes Wink

We can recycle the left overs later.

8th September 2005 22:20  #17

floyd dylan Banned Join Date: April 2004 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 913
I wish I hadn't mentioned elves now. Wink

9th September 2005 21:16  #18

rob murray Member Join Date: November 2004 Location: United States Posts: 477
VIVA LA REVELUCION!

9th September 2005 22:47  #19

floyd dylan Banned Join Date: April 2004 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 913
REVELUCION???  Is that a Star Trek baddie?

10th September 2005 0:45  #20

Jonny "Me You" Senior Member Join Date: March 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,863
lol Laugh

10th September 2005 1:12  #21

Tony DeFrancisco Senior Member Join Date: July 2005 Location: United States Posts: 2,652
Quote: Originally posted by floyd dylan
REVELUCION???  Is that a Star Trek baddie?
Ha-ha!Laugh

12th September 2005 21:28  #22

Worst Nightmare Senior Member Join Date: July 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 6,706 Send a message via AIM to Worst Nightmare Send a message via ICQ to Worst Nightmare Send a message via MSN to Worst Nightmare Send a message via Yahoo to Worst Nightmare Send a message via Google to Worst Nightmare
Samsung have just announced that they will not be mucking around and will produce a player thay will be fully compatible with both formats - although I knew this would happen....

13th September 2005 4:37  #23

Jonny "Me You" Senior Member Join Date: March 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,863
It'll probably STILL have to be connected through HDMI and then jacked-into the internet. Two very big killing points.

Also think of this, if 90% of the HDTV's out there don't have HDMI inputs, what about computer monitors? When blu-ray and HD-DVD drives hit the PC, they are required to be connected through HDMI monitor's too. To my knowledge, that hasn't even been invented yet. Kiss your $400 19 inch DVI monitor goodbye.

Both format's are as DOA as new coke.

13th September 2005 16:49  #24

Worst Nightmare Senior Member Join Date: July 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 6,706 Send a message via AIM to Worst Nightmare Send a message via ICQ to Worst Nightmare Send a message via MSN to Worst Nightmare Send a message via Yahoo to Worst Nightmare Send a message via Google to Worst Nightmare
Sometimes it is better to sit back and wait and see....

13th September 2005 18:13  #25

floyd dylan Banned Join Date: April 2004 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 913
So explain to me please, what you have to connect up then to watch Blu Ray and HD-DVD, and the reason why Sony and other Hollywood studios are doing this for?

13th September 2005 20:08  #26

Jonny "Me You" Senior Member Join Date: March 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,863
As I understand it, in order to playback either blu-ray or HD-DVD you will need the following -

Set Top Player (PS3) -

1. An HDTV capable of 720p, 1080i or p

2. An HDMI Connection to that TV in order to get the Hi-Def resolution. Any other connection made from the players will downgrade the signal to standard 480p, otherwise known as DVD resolution aka what we're all getting now already.

3. An internet connection so that the movie disc can determine whether or not you are licenced to play the disc. Presumably it will also track WHAT you are watching for agressive marketing tactics later. Also, the player WILL discontinue working if it has been modified in any way. Region 0 hacks, modified firmware, etc.. This leaves the horrible prospect of being left with a big expensive paperweight if anyone steals your players ID code. Remember, this is AFTER you buy it and the movie and they become YOUR property.

4. Maybe new audio equipment to read the enhanced sound schemes.

To playback on a PC, you will need -

1. A PC with high end specs that can handle full on 1080P playback. I suspect not a lot of these monsters are available yet.

2. A free slot for a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD ROM drive.

3. AN HDMI CAPABLE PC MONITOR!!!! As I said above, I don't even think they've been invented yet. Who is gonna throw away their $400 DVI lcd monitor for that? Tongue

4. AN HDMI CAPABLE GRAPHICS CARD!!!

5. An internet connection for the same spying reasons as with the set-top players.

Put all those factor's together and it looks like a still-born death to me. The reason everyone is doing it? Greed first and foremost. The second? Piracy! Ask Hollywood any negative question and it's always about piracy! Idiots!

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