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24th January 2006 22:51  #1

adam roddis Member Join Date: June 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 100
ichi the killer question
hi,one of my mates gave me ichi the killer on r2 uk version a few months back and I think it's awesome , I was just wondering , is it worth buying the r1 uncut version, considering I got the r2 one free? are the cuts taken out actually worth spending money on? thanx ppl

24th January 2006 23:08  #2

Bodhi Member Join Date: February 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 403
I would say get the uncut version, simply because that is Miike's original version and the film is delightful. However the picture quality of the R1 is not as great as the UK R2 (but is still tolerable).

Try the Dutch R2 which is uncut and has the same transfer as the UK R2.

The UK cuts do not tamper the storyline but the uncut version is more graphic. Depends on how important that is to you...

24th January 2006 23:11  #3

£ukasz D Member Join Date: August 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 859 Send a message via Skype to £ukasz D
if you like this movie I have one advice to u..go see a doctor- psychologist..the best you can find.....................
what is good in gore..in buckets of blood everywhere on the screen ????????? you are sick man Happy

24th January 2006 23:11  #4

adam roddis Member Join Date: June 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 100
i'm not bothered about it been a bit more graphic it's just I read a review which says the r2 version spoils the intended ideologies in the film by cutting certain scenes.

24th January 2006 23:12  #5

adam roddis Member Join Date: June 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 100
your a pussy lol, it's not even sick its funny, and if you can't see that its funny then you are taking it way too seriously, it's not meant to be taken seriously you c**t lol

24th January 2006 23:16  #6

£ukasz D Member Join Date: August 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 859 Send a message via Skype to £ukasz D
adam roddis wrote: your a pussy lol, it's not even sick its funny, and if you can't see that its funny then you are taking it way too seriously, it's not meant to be taken seriously you c**t lol
as I saye..if blood is funny to you that means there is something wrong with u....people watching mansloter, blood and gore and filling it's funy are sick....face it

24th January 2006 23:24  #7

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,085 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
Watch your attitude towards other users Adam. Those kind of comments won't be tolerated.

£ukasz D, films are fantasy, not reality. Most people are readily able to differentiate between the two. Movies offer a way for people to indulge their violent tendencies without having to resort to violence themselves.

24th January 2006 23:32  #8

adam roddis Member Join Date: June 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 100
i don't have any violent tendencies what so ever mister editor guy, I just find it entertaining to watch like MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of other people, i'm so layed back i'm horizontal, you know what I mean, so don't suggest that I have violent tendencies when I don't in the slightiest, violent films are not my favourite films anyway, I prefer comedy such as dumb and dumber, freddy got fingered, south park, family guy, the simpsons, american dad, drawn together you know what I mean. What about all the millions of ppl that loved the violence in mainstream films such as kill bill, theres more violence in that than ichi the killer so there must be alot of sick ppl in need of therapists.... not!!!

24th January 2006 23:36  #9

£ukasz D Member Join Date: August 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 859 Send a message via Skype to £ukasz D
adam roddis wrote: i don't have any violent tendencies what so ever mister editor guy, I just find it entertaining to watch like MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of other people, i'm so layed back i'm horizontal, you know what I mean, so don't suggest that I have violent tendencies when I don't in the slightiest, violent films are not my favourite films anyway, I prefer comedy such as dumb and dumber, freddy got fingered, south park, family guy, the simpsons, american dad, drawn together you know what I mean. What about all the millions of ppl that loved the violence in mainstream films such as kill bill, theres more violence in that than ichi the killer so there must be alot of sick ppl in need of therapists.... not!!!

calm down adam, we are just discusing Happy
And as you know Kill Bill is not gore movie.

24th January 2006 23:43  #10

adam roddis Member Join Date: June 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 100
well it definently has the same or even more blood than ichi the killer, and one more thing, sick ppl don't laugh and enjoy films like ichi the killer, braindead and bad taste and films like that, they laugh and enjoy films like cannibal holocaust and then proceed to carry out what they have seen.

25th January 2006 4:56  #11

Gabe Powers Editor Join Date: September 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4,401 Send a message via ICQ to Gabe Powers
Adam, relax. £ukasz D, don't be close minded.

Anyway, I have both the uncut and the UK version, and there is only one scene that the cut version really suffers without, the scene where the girl is kicked to death by the up untill then somewhat innocent body gaurd. It's one of the few scenes of violence that has emotional weight to it. The bit where the twins rip off the captives arm is pretty funny. I'd go for the uncut one, for the reasons Bodhi spoke of.

25th January 2006 5:45  #12

floyd dylan Banned Join Date: April 2004 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 913
From Melonfarmers

Cuts imposed on the cinema version when submitted in 2002. The cuts were also made to the video version which was submitted to the BBFC

The cinema cuts were justified by the BBFC as follows:

The BBFC has required 11 cuts (approximately three and a quarter minutes of screen time) to the Japanese cinema film Ichi the Killer.

The cuts have been made to remove extreme sexualised violence. These are the most substantial cuts required by the BBFC to an 18 rated film since 1994.

The Board's main concern is with content which is likely to promote harmful activity. The Board's Guidelines constrain, in particular, depictions which eroticise or appear to endorse sexual violence.

Of specific concern are sexual images in a violent context which are designed to titillate. The Guidelines take account of academic research which indicates that violence when mixed with explicit sexual images (women forcibly stripped, shots which linger on naked breasts or genitalia during rape or assault) may produce a harmful response in some viewers.

The scenes cut from Ichi the Killer include naked women being sexually mutilated or beaten or killed. They contain images of erotically explicit violence which have never been passed by the BBFC at any classification level.

Ichi the Killer is a live action film based on a popular Japanese manga comic. Ichi, who has unusual powers, is caught in a conflict between two rival yakuza gangs.

The film taken as a whole belongs to a genre of vivid fantasy violence which has been part of Japanese cinema for many years. The Board does not consider that the cartoon-like damage perpetrated by male gangsters on one another in the rest of the film is likely, at the adult classification level, to inspire emulation.

However, this contrasts sharply with the eroticized scenes of violence against female characters which the Board has cut. These scenes appear to the Board to have no function other than the pleasure of the onlooker.

25th January 2006 16:09  #13

Gabe Powers Editor Join Date: September 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4,401 Send a message via ICQ to Gabe Powers
Gotta love the BBFC. They just don't get it at all do they?

25th January 2006 18:53  #14

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,085 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
I think that's the problem Wink

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