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19th January 2006 5:12  #1

Mark Lim Member Join Date: March 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 1,211
Lord Of War 1 Disc no DTS???
How is this for a change. I am so lucky that I bought the two disc set of Lion Gates' "Lord Of War", and found out that it contained 6.1 DTS-ES and 6.1 Dolby Digital-Surround EX.
But then I checked out the one disc, which I could have bought last week, had no DTS or even DD Surround EX. Only 5.1 Dolby Digital. Why is that???

The features were excellent by the way, giving you all the details and specs of each weapon used in the movie as well as how the arms trade is happening now.

19th January 2006 11:54  #2

Worst Nightmare Senior Member Join Date: July 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 6,706 Send a message via AIM to Worst Nightmare Send a message via ICQ to Worst Nightmare Send a message via MSN to Worst Nightmare Send a message via Yahoo to Worst Nightmare Send a message via Google to Worst Nightmare
Maybe disc space? what extras were on the one disc version?

19th January 2006 13:56  #3

Mark Lim Member Join Date: March 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 1,211
Almost nothing. No features on the 1 disc!

The movie was really really good!! I can't believe I saw it first, one month out of the Australian Cinema Premiere on the 16th Feb. Exactly Five months after your U.S. premiere.

19th January 2006 17:35  #4

Ian Schultz Banned Join Date: July 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 407 Send a message via MSN to Ian Schultz
I'm so un bothed about DTS. you will not even start to understand

19th January 2006 17:50  #5

Matt Contributor Join Date: October 2004 Location: United States Posts: 2,113
Ian Schultz wrote: you will not even start to understand
That's exactly what I was beginning to tell myself reading this...

19th January 2006 19:16  #6

Worst Nightmare Senior Member Join Date: July 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 6,706 Send a message via AIM to Worst Nightmare Send a message via ICQ to Worst Nightmare Send a message via MSN to Worst Nightmare Send a message via Yahoo to Worst Nightmare Send a message via Google to Worst Nightmare
Ian Schultz wrote: I'm so un bothed about DTS. you will not even start to understandWhy are you un bothed? Do you even know what DTS is?

Matt, I gather I am wasting my time here, aren't I...
I think I have just wasted my 2500th post....

19th January 2006 19:59  #7

Mal Webmaster Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,290
Just deleted a post on here, was barely readable.

19th January 2006 20:07  #8

Ian Schultz Banned Join Date: July 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 407 Send a message via MSN to Ian Schultz
No it was not.

DTS is a waste of money it's not the biggest improvement. I hate when people won't buy a dvd cause it dosen't have DTS.
5.1 is great sound

19th January 2006 20:20  #9

Intergalactic Ponce Member Join Date: April 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,151
I have to agree with that. People talk about DD5.1 as if it's Mono compared with DTS. But I am a bit of a hypocrite though. If a DVD has DTS on it I will listen to it and not the DD. As far as avioding DVD's that had no DTS tracks on them well, I suppose it would depend on what kind of film it was (for a disc with no DTS on it) for me not to buy it. Generally it doesn't bother me. If it there, it's a good extra thing to have.

19th January 2006 20:21  #10

Worst Nightmare Senior Member Join Date: July 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 6,706 Send a message via AIM to Worst Nightmare Send a message via ICQ to Worst Nightmare Send a message via MSN to Worst Nightmare Send a message via Yahoo to Worst Nightmare Send a message via Google to Worst Nightmare
Ian Schultz wrote: No it was not.

DTS is a waste of money it's not the biggest improvement. I hate when people won't buy a dvd cause it dosen't have DTS.
5.1 is great sound
It might be if you have a $100 sound system. Do you know why DTS is alot better? Mainly due to the extra bitrate it provides to give you more scope on your sound. Yes, I know that is a generalised basic description and it will also depend on the engineer making the sound track but what you can achieve with it can be fantastic!
I can't believe that a DVD enthusiast would say that it was a "waste " of money Rolling Eyes

19th January 2006 20:40  #11

Ian Schultz Banned Join Date: July 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 407 Send a message via MSN to Ian Schultz
it is

19th January 2006 20:40  #12

Adrian Senior Member Join Date: September 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1,305
Worst Nightmare wrote: t might be if you have a $100 sound system. Do you know why DTS is alot better? Mainly due to the extra bitrate it provides to give you more scope on your sound. Yes, I know that is a generalised basic description and it will also depend on the engineer making the sound track but what you can achieve with it can be fantastic!
I can't believe that a DVD enthusiast would say that it was a "waste " of money Rolling Eyes


When you have a disc that contains both DD5.1 and DTS, I don't think there is much difference between the tracks.  I have all Acoustic Research speakers, so it isn't a like of fidelity in the speakers.  Just become one contains more bits, does not mean that it actually contains more information.  They are both compression algorithms and Dolby Digital seems to be able to encode the same ammount of information in a smaller ammount of disc space.

Now, if you were to talk about the rare only DTS dvds, like Apollo 13, I might tend to agree with you.

19th January 2006 21:18  #13

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,113 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
Ian Schultz wrote: No it was not.

DTS is a waste of money it's not the biggest improvement. I hate when people won't buy a dvd cause it dosen't have DTS.
5.1 is great sound


What a good idea, start bickering with the site owner! And as for 5.1, DTS is 5.1 as well. I assume you mean Dolby 5.1?

For the original poster, a lot of studios are starting to do these cut down single disc releases. We were recently given the single disc of Fantastic Four to review, which doesn't have the DTS track of the two-disc set (although it's identical in every other way to the first disc of that set). This means that DTS was purposely removed because it's seen as some sort of selling point to the audiophiles, which sucks. It's hardly surprising though, as this sort of thing is becoming more prevalent now that the format is mature.

19th January 2006 21:33  #14

Intergalactic Ponce Member Join Date: April 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,151
Poor SDDS. Who bangs the drum for the superior sound format? (Rhetorical) Apart from the fact that it would be pointless, does anyone know why SDDS didn't throw in with the DD and DTS for DVD's? It's not like Sony to cave in without a fight.

19th January 2006 21:55  #15

Matt Contributor Join Date: October 2004 Location: United States Posts: 2,113
SDDS is fairly proprietary as far as what hardware/manufacturers Sony will allow to capitalize on it isn't it? Kind of like SACD and how they are very skittish on licensing that out to different manufacturers? I think Pioneer is the only company with equipment sold in the states that is allowed to make equipment compatible with SACD, but I'm not as well read on the audio side of the indistry as I am on the video so I could be wrong.

20th January 2006 0:57  #16

Adrian Senior Member Join Date: September 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1,305
Ugh.  I just reread the original post.  I had assumed that region 1 was getting the two disc version, but that is not the case. I guess this means we are heading toward the inevitable double dip on this title?

20th January 2006 1:05  #17

Jonathan Bennett Member Join Date: March 2005 Location: United States Posts: 600 Send a message via AIM to Jonathan Bennett Send a message via MSN to Jonathan Bennett Send a message via Yahoo to Jonathan Bennett Send a message via Google to Jonathan Bennett
Adrian wrote: Ugh.  I just reread the original post.  I had assumed that region 1 was getting the two disc version, but that is not the case. I guess this means we are heading toward the inevitable double dip on this title?
Region 1 does have the 2 Disc Version,
but it doesn't have DTS, or Dolby EX,
just a regular Dolby Digital 5.1 track.

20th January 2006 1:10  #18

Matt Contributor Join Date: October 2004 Location: United States Posts: 2,113
The two-disc version also has the most annoyingly tight slipcase of all-time as an added bonus; practically had to tear the packaging apart to get to the damn discs.

20th January 2006 1:44  #19

Adrian Senior Member Join Date: September 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1,305
Jonathan Bennett wrote:
Region 1 does have the 2 Disc Version,
but it doesn't have DTS, or Dolby EX,
just a regular Dolby Digital 5.1 track.


Ugh, I had assumed we didn't get it because I didn't see it at either Circuit City or Best Buy today, nor was it advertised.

20th January 2006 2:46  #20

Matt Contributor Join Date: October 2004 Location: United States Posts: 2,113
Yeah, I picked up my copy at Best Buy; I believe it was just a couple of dollars more than the single disc as both were on sale.

20th January 2006 5:55  #21

Worst Nightmare Senior Member Join Date: July 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 6,706 Send a message via AIM to Worst Nightmare Send a message via ICQ to Worst Nightmare Send a message via MSN to Worst Nightmare Send a message via Yahoo to Worst Nightmare Send a message via Google to Worst Nightmare
Adrian,  I can understand where you are coming from - I do admit that there are DD tracks and DTS tracks which sound the same and even very rarely, DD may even beat DTS.
I have Polk Audio Speakers all round with a high end Onkyo amp and a Jamo sub. They were all top of the range when I bought my speakers 5 years ago and the amp 1 year ago. I definately can hear a difference between the treack (unless the disc falls into the above catagory). I generally find that with my hearing, my surrounds produce the rear sound effects with more sharpness and the base is richer (not nescessarily (spelling?) louder).
I believe that we should at least be allowed to have a choice. Why are we not allowed to have the best sound possible? Most movies are mixed in DTS for the theatre! Why can't they out it on the disc? Remember, I made a wrote a real basic description of the audio streams, just for Ian who seemed to have lost the plot a bit and has now been banned.
Intergalactic Ponce, if I like a movie, I will still buy it, even if it doesn't have DTS (although if they double dip later with a DTS track I get extremely annoyed!), but that's just me. It would be interesting to see if people actually boycott a disc if it doesn't have DTS....
Just my rant...Wink

Oh and Matt, I am pretty sure my Onkyo has SACD capability...

20th January 2006 14:05  #22

Mark Lim Member Join Date: March 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 1,211
Jonathan Bennett wrote: Adrian wrote: Ugh.  I just reread the original post.  I had assumed that region 1 was getting the two disc version, but that is not the case. I guess this means we are heading toward the inevitable double dip on this title?
Region 1 does have the 2 Disc Version,
but it doesn't have DTS, or Dolby EX,
just a regular Dolby Digital 5.1 track.


What movie are we talking about here?? I was talking about Lord of War 2 disc set that has 6.1 DTS-ES and 6.1 DD-EX compared with the 1 disc which virtually only had DD 5.1 and Dolby surround. And I can take a photo of the back of the cover to prove it!

20th January 2006 14:14  #23

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,113 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
Those of you proclaiming DTS to be all-conquering are matching the volume levels to Dolby, right?

20th January 2006 15:01  #24

Matt Contributor Join Date: October 2004 Location: United States Posts: 2,113
The two-disc R1 does have the DTS-ES and DD-EX tracks, plus director's commentary.

20th January 2006 15:32  #25

Adrian Senior Member Join Date: September 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1,305
Mark Lim wrote: Jonathan Bennett wrote: Adrian wrote: Ugh.  I just reread the original post.  I had assumed that region 1 was getting the two disc version, but that is not the case. I guess this means we are heading toward the inevitable double dip on this title?
Region 1 does have the 2 Disc Version,
but it doesn't have DTS, or Dolby EX,
just a regular Dolby Digital 5.1 track.


What movie are we talking about here?? I was talking about Lord of War 2 disc set that has 6.1 DTS-ES and 6.1 DD-EX compared with the 1 disc which virtually only had DD 5.1 and Dolby surround. And I can take a photo of the back of the cover to prove it!


We are talking about the same thing Mark.  I picked up Lord of War (1 disc) because I didn't know there was a 2 disc set.  Neither Best Buy or Circuit City even had a copy of the 2 disc set, so I thought maybe it was one of those inevitable double dips that we get in Region 1.  Turns out, I was just confused.  Sorry about that.

20th January 2006 15:33  #26

Adrian Senior Member Join Date: September 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1,305
Chris wrote: Those of you proclaiming DTS to be all-conquering are matching the volume levels to Dolby, right?
That's one thing I have always wondered.  I've noticed that on most DTS tracks that they seem to have a louder volume than Dolby Digital.  Louder doesn't really equal better, just different.

Of course, it isn't as noticeable as say the really old MGM DVDs where the lion's roar is earth shattering compared to the rest of the DVD.

20th January 2006 16:59  #27

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,113 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
They're normally about 3dB louder than reference (louder than Dolby tracks).

20th January 2006 17:48  #28

Gabe Powers Editor Join Date: September 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4,457 Send a message via ICQ to Gabe Powers
I'm just going to drop my opinion, which regular readers will allready know, DTS is 90% of the time the same as DD only louder. I can't believe I'm agreeing with Ian on this one. I'll just claim I'm agreeing with Chris.

20th January 2006 17:50  #29

Adrian Senior Member Join Date: September 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1,305
Gabe Powers wrote: I can't believe I'm agreeing with Ian on this one. I'll just claim I'm agreeing with Chris.

Isn't that grounds for getting banned?  Very Happy

20th January 2006 18:34  #30

Gabe Powers Editor Join Date: September 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4,457 Send a message via ICQ to Gabe Powers
I'm sure if I didn't work here I'd be gone.
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