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Original Star Wars trilogy first impressions

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5th September 2006 11:32  #1

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,085 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
Original Star Wars trilogy first impressions
'Not good' springs to mind... However, this was on a c**ppy cut-down Dell version of PowerDVD at work, so I'll reserve judgement until I see them at home on the TV.

5th September 2006 12:39  #2

Cheddar J. Cheese Member Join Date: October 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,492
Did you expect any better really?

5th September 2006 13:17  #3

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,085 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
Obviously not, but I volunteered the information for those not as clever as you.

5th September 2006 14:28  #4

Intergalactic Ponce Member Join Date: April 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,150
And for that, I salute you. Er no. What have I said now. That did me no favours at all did it?Happy

5th September 2006 15:54  #5

Jersey Jedi Member Join Date: August 2004 Location: United States Posts: 714
Did they decide to make it anamorphic at the last moment by any chance?

5th September 2006 16:42  #6

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,085 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
LOL! No Wink

5th September 2006 16:47  #7

Tony DeFrancisco Senior Member Join Date: July 2005 Location: United States Posts: 2,652
Hopefully I'll be getting it sometime this weekend to check them out. It doesn't sound too promising though...

5th September 2006 17:24  #8

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,085 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
I forgot to mention that the menus are indeed anamorphic. Oh the irony!

5th September 2006 17:44  #9

Intergalactic Ponce Member Join Date: April 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,150
Chris, if you could, would it be possible to include 2 specific shots from Star Wars and Empire for comparison? The 2 I'd be interested in seeing are when Luke is scanning the horizon looking for R2 just outside his workshop with 3PO. The long shot where a droid is rolling (being pulled) by right to left in front of them. In the originals the image is lighter and you can see the rope pulling the droid. In the Spec Ed the image is much darker and the rope is hard to see if not invisible. I don;t know if it has been digitally removed or not and would be interested to see it as a comparison screen capture.

The other capture would be from Empire following Luke kicking Vader off the platform in the carbon freeze set. In the original, after Luke jumps down off the platfom (and out of frame bottom left) in persuit his head pops back up into frame as though he really should have crouched down a bit longer and waited for someone to say 'cut'. Again, in the Spec Ed the image is much darker and you can no longer see this happening. Whether this is because the image is darker I'm not sure. Maybe the 'pop up' was digitally removed again or maybe the tail end of the shot was cut by the amount of the offending frames. Either way, I'd be interested seeing the two frames as comparison. Both images will serve the purpose of showing the colour and lighting differences.

I know I'm asking a lot as you've obviously got a lot to do in the coming days weeks but you don't get nothing if you don't ask.

Looking forward to the finished article.

15th September 2006 16:55  #10

Cheddar J. Cheese Member Join Date: October 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,492
Anybody else want to share their thoughts about the new discs?

15th September 2006 17:31  #11

stanton heck Member Join Date: June 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1,098
I have them!  I just got done with Star Wars iv - A new Hope
to me its fine.  However I am sure they will get re-issued again next year for a 30th Anniversary Edition.  How much do you want to bet they will be re-mastered and have a better picture

15th September 2006 17:43  #12

Matt Contributor Join Date: October 2004 Location: United States Posts: 2,113
They're about what I expected, just a port of the '93 Definitive Collection laserdiscs and better than any of the bootlegs I have seen as far as picture quality goes.

The only thing that really ticks me off though are the subtitles and where they're overlayed on the video. The geniuses that authored these discs placed all of the subtitles within the black bars at the bottom, so if you have a 16x9 television and expand the picture to make the non-anamorphic video look proper you end up losing half the subtitles in the process.

15th September 2006 21:07  #13

Gabe Powers Editor Join Date: September 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4,405 Send a message via ICQ to Gabe Powers
....which is exactly why I hate half my budget HK kung fu releases.

15th September 2006 22:14  #14

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,085 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
I'm guessing it's a lot more annoying for HK flicks, unless you speak Cantonese. At least with Star Wars we all know what Greedo and Jabba say.

15th September 2006 22:26  #15

Gabe Powers Editor Join Date: September 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4,405 Send a message via ICQ to Gabe Powers
Yeah, Miracle Fighters, non-anamorphic, it sucks. I finally got to update Mr. Vampire last year, maybe I'll buy the UK SE of Chinese Ghost Story one of these days.

15th September 2006 22:43  #16

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,085 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
It's not a bad disc, but I don't know if it's the best one in terms of audio/video. Bey Logan commentary is good though.

15th September 2006 23:04  #17

danny Member Join Date: February 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 29
Regarding the "Star Wars" films, I have only watched bits and pieces of the original cuts but was surprised at how good the sound was and how the picture while not being perfect was alot better than I expected. As for the dvds being a direct port from the laserdiscs as Lucasfilm said, I checked my definitive laserdisc versions and the crawl on episdode 4 has the episode 4 at the top whereas the dvd does not, which seems an odd difference. I have not checked anything else from the films, but it does seem as if George Lucas has actually had to go to a source besides the lds and one wonders if the reportedly knackered original prints are in fact in better condition than previously stated?

15th September 2006 23:20  #18

Cheddar J. Cheese Member Join Date: October 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,492
danny wrote: one wonders if the reportedly knackered original prints are in fact in better condition than previously stated?

Of course they are, so next year we'll get this statement from Lucasfilm:

"We dug deep enough and miraculously found a pristine copy of the original prints! Now we can give you the originals at optimal quality!"

15th September 2006 23:37  #19

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,085 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
danny wrote: As for the dvds being a direct port from the laserdiscs as Lucasfilm said, I checked my definitive laserdisc versions and the crawl on episdode 4 has the episode 4 at the top whereas the dvd does not, which seems an odd difference. I have not checked anything else from the films, but it does seem as if George Lucas has actually had to go to a source besides the lds and one wonders if the reportedly knackered original prints are in fact in better condition than previously stated?

From what I understand, it's been digitally recreated. They originally listed it as having the original crawl on starwars.com, then removed it. A while later it was back up.

7th October 2006 21:57  #20

TLOE Member Join Date: October 2006 Location: United States Posts: 11
Funny thing is about these discs, they were intentionally "grained up" by LFL, ie they ADDED more grain to them, probably so Lucas can point to them and declare how "inferior" they are to the SE remasters, which are complete c**p.  If you compare the grain levels of the 1993/1995 laserdiscs and the 2006 OT DVDs made from the 1993 master tapes, you can see there is far less grain in the LD versions.  Although the DVDs do have better color seperation and contrast and are somewhat sharper, the sound is actually inferior to the LDs, since the audio was compressed into DD 2.0, whereas the LD soundtrack is uncompressed PCM.  

8th October 2006 2:24  #21

Cheddar J. Cheese Member Join Date: October 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,492
Question: How long does the Star Destroyer fly overhead in the opening shot?

8th October 2006 14:52  #22

Nic Mall Member Join Date: November 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,202 Send a message via MSN to Nic Mall
Mine are still in the wrappers. Plan on watching them all back to back again in a few months. Only this time I'll start in the morning! Mwuahhahaha

8th October 2006 15:08  #23

Intergalactic Ponce Member Join Date: April 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,150
Cheddar J. Cheese wrote: Question: How long does the Star Destroyer fly overhead in the opening shot?

PAL or NTSC?

8th October 2006 21:24  #24

Cheddar J. Cheese Member Join Date: October 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,492
Well I'm NTSC, but is there a difference? What are they for both? Because in the "Original" release back in '77 it flew overhead for something like 1 and a half minutes or something, so I was wondering if these were the actual originals or altered originals (sped up overhead shot).

8th October 2006 21:39  #25

Intergalactic Ponce Member Join Date: April 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,150
To be honest I don't know the answer to your question. NTSC R1 DVD's will playback at the original 24fps as the original 35mm did so the overpass will be longer than the PAL version (at 25fps) but only incrementally.

I think common sense should tell you that the shot doesn't last for 90 seconds. Without having the films in front of me I would say 15 - 20 seconds max for the shot you're talking about.

Maybe you're thinking of the parody of this shot in Mel Brooks' Spaceballs which I'm sure lasts longer than any version of Star Wars.

9th October 2006 5:31  #26

Cheddar J. Cheese Member Join Date: October 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,492
Intergalactic Ponce wrote: To be honest I don't know the answer to your question. NTSC R1 DVD's will playback at the original 24fps as the original 35mm did so the overpass will be longer than the PAL version (at 25fps) but only incrementally.

I think common sense should tell you that the shot doesn't last for 90 seconds. Without having the films in front of me I would say 15 - 20 seconds max for the shot you're talking about.

Maybe you're thinking of the parody of this shot in Mel Brooks' Spaceballs which I'm sure lasts longer than any version of Star Wars.


No, I know Spaceballs from Star Wars (IV) Tongue Geek

So it always went fast then? I never saw the originals in theatres or anything is why I'm asking. I thought it was his hommage to Kubrick, have it fly overhead for 45 seconds (not 90 as I said earlier) or so, like Discovery-One did in "2001".

21st June 2007 23:56  #27

stanton heck Member Join Date: June 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1,098
I am glad they released them

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