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R1 vs R2 image quality....

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19th September 2006 13:02  #1

Darwin00uk Member Join Date: September 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 2
R1 vs R2 image quality....
Hi there,
does anyone know if there any difference in the number of scanlines or image quality when comparing Region 1 dvd's against Region 2?
I have a few R1's and am wondering wether it would be worth replacing with the equivelent R2 for the image quality.

19th September 2006 13:12  #2

Kozinski Member Join Date: June 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 235
I can't give you the science bit - but yes there is a difference in picture quality. PAL appears better than NTSC (I think to do with it having more "lines" in it).

Be wary though, with improved picture quality comes sound speed up, this is due to less frames per second - a lot of people don't notice it, but my sensitive ears do. I have seasons 1 & 2 of Smallville on region 2, and when I got season 3 on region 1, crikey - everybody's voices were lower!!!

19th September 2006 13:45  #3

Mal Webmaster Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,290
I remember years ago, I was watching Channel 4 and one of the Dawson's Creek actors was being interviewed. She pointed out how the casts' voices sounded higher pitched when the show was broadcast in the UK, as if the characters' voices hadn't broke. I guess the side effect of this conversion could actually make teen dramas more believable.

19th September 2006 14:31  #4

Intergalactic Ponce Member Join Date: April 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,151
Technically speaking PAL DVD's should be better than NTSC discs but I have to say that in a lot of cases NTSC discs just look better. Maybe it's because the US DVD transfer/encoding houses have more experience than the UK one's, I don't know. They have been doing the job slightly longer than the UK one's.

I'm speaking mainly of DVD's back when I starting collecting (both regions) in 1999 and early 2000. I'm sure the quality gape has closed in the interveening years but the NTSC DVD's just looked 'smoother' with less overly saturated colours.

19th September 2006 14:33  #5

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,115 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
It's not as cut and dry as one being better than the other. Technically PAL is superior (at least for video) but it depends on a lot of other things as well. There's no point replacing your discs as I really doubt you'll see any significant improvement on a like-for-like basis.

19th September 2006 15:07  #6

Darwin00uk Member Join Date: September 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 2
Thanks alot people.

19th September 2006 18:28  #7

hossein Member Join Date: December 2005 Location: Iran, Islamic Republic of Posts: 104
by getting allow ...
as a Theory , PAL has a better Resoulation ( 720 ver ) but NTSC has lower ( 640 - 702 Ver ). but PAL has 25 frame per second agianst NTSC that has 30 frame per second . according to this for a normal Eye , PAL prepare a better Image . but beware !
in DVDs it deponds on Source and Decoder system and there is no Global Rule to which one is better !

19th September 2006 21:07  #8

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,115 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
PAL is 576 and NTSC is 480... I started writing an article on the whole thing ages ago, but never got around to finishing it. Would have explained 2-3 pulldown as well.

20th September 2006 6:16  #9

hossein Member Join Date: December 2005 Location: Iran, Islamic Republic of Posts: 104
Chris , there is two line series , Vertic and horiz , but often it is the bigger number that is in use !( but both true )

20th September 2006 10:29  #10

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,115 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
I'm not sure what you're saying. In the above post you say that they have a vertical resolution of 720. Can't you point me to any page on the web where this is stated? Everything I've ever read has said that the vertical res for PAL DVD is 576 and NTSC is 480.

20th September 2006 12:45  #11

hossein Member Join Date: December 2005 Location: Iran, Islamic Republic of Posts: 104
vertical line are from up to down . is it true ?
then if vertic lines be lower than horiz lines , your screen then is not 4:3 or 16:9 and any another standard format . if you look to your monitor now you will found Vertical lines are more than horiz lines !
by the way , beware of Widescreen format . or when you see a movie via PowerDVD look informations .
is this all true ?

720 * 578 or 640 * 480

20th September 2006 14:34  #12

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,115 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
I have a feeling something could be getting lost in translation here. The vertical resolution is the number if horizontal lines from the top to bottom of the screen, so it is the lower of the two.

It's confusing I know, but basically vertical lines are horizontal resolution and horizontal lines are vertical resolution, so it's correct to say that PAL and NTSC have a vertical resolution of 576 and 480 respectively. Basically PAL DVD is 720x576 and NTSC is 720x480.

20th September 2006 15:13  #13

hossein Member Join Date: December 2005 Location: Iran, Islamic Republic of Posts: 104
really , it looks my mistake , maybe because of my Weak English
Thank you Chrise for this note !

20th September 2006 15:42  #14

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,115 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
Hey, I don't speak another language so you're ahead of me on that one Wink

20th September 2006 17:59  #15

hossein Member Join Date: December 2005 Location: Iran, Islamic Republic of Posts: 104
cool Chris ! which "ONE" you mean ?

20th September 2006 18:09  #16

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,115 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
The speaking another language one...

20th September 2006 19:49  #17

hossein Member Join Date: December 2005 Location: Iran, Islamic Republic of Posts: 104
thanks if you didnt joking ! cool anyway !

22nd September 2006 15:14  #18

Intergalactic Ponce Member Join Date: April 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,151
I think we should all be talking/posting like hossein. You know, for a day or something. A sort of tribute to him.

I now declare Friday 22nd September Hossein Day. Hazzaar.

22nd September 2006 17:00  #19

hossein Member Join Date: December 2005 Location: Iran, Islamic Republic of Posts: 104
thanks "Intergalactice Ponce " for both to acclaim me and call a day " My Day " . 22nd of september works now !

22nd September 2006 18:48  #20

Intergalactic Ponce Member Join Date: April 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,151
Not much problem. My pleasure is heaped to have been done this for you. Have a pleasant rest of the day and go enjoy your resolutions whichever way you fancy both horizontally and in the vertical.Happy

This could catch on.

22nd September 2006 19:59  #21

hossein Member Join Date: December 2005 Location: Iran, Islamic Republic of Posts: 104
!

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