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Intergalactic Ponce wrote: Way off topic but no babysitter. My wife was good eneough to let me go see it. Intended to see a digital screening of it but there didn't appear to be any so I went to local multiplex. Needless to say, the print was scratched. It seems too much to expect these days to hope for an undamaged print 1st Monday after opening weekend. What do we want? Miracles?

DLP to really take off.  I saw the movie in it's third week of release on the DLP at the local cinema and it looked pristine.  It's odd, I live in a small city; however, we now have DLPs at 3 different theaters.
Way off topic but no babysitter. My wife was good eneough to let me go see it. Intended to see a digital screening of it but there didn't appear to be any so I went to local multiplex. Needless to say, the print was scratched. It seems too much to expect these days to hope for an undamaged print 1st Monday after opening weekend. What do we want? Miracles?
Intergalactic Ponce wrote: Those same parents go to the cinema to get away from their kids though. The last thing they need is kids in the films as well. Just joking. I have two of my own.

But by that logic, do old people crave films about old people with their ilnesses and complaints? Mmm. I wonder.


The UK must be different because it seems like no one springs for a babysitter stateside anymore.  I can't tell you how many times I've seen toddlers at 10 pm showings of stuff like Hostel.  (Well, not Hostel, in particular, as I seem to recall I was the only one there for that movie!)
Those same parents go to the cinema to get away from their kids though. The last thing they need is kids in the films as well. Just joking. I have two of my own.

But by that logic, do old people crave films about old people with their ilnesses and complaints? Mmm. I wonder.
Intergalactic Ponce wrote: Why do they do it. Come the sequels, they've got to put kids in them. When I first heard (and this isn't a spoiler) that Lois Lane was married and had a kid, I thought that could be interesting to see it played out and how it would affect Clark/Superman. Now having seen the film, and seen how they use the kid, NOOOOOO! I definately don't want to see that storyline played out. Cheesy. Other than that, a good attempt at the thankless task of bringing Supes back to the big screen.

Uhm, because most grownups eventually go on to have relationships that bear children.  That's why they do it.
Why do they do it. Come the sequels, they've got to put kids in them. When I first heard (and this isn't a spoiler) that Lois Lane was married and had a kid, I thought that could be interesting to see it played out and how it would affect Clark/Superman. Now having seen the film, and seen how they use the kid, NOOOOOO! I definately don't want to see that storyline played out. Cheesy. Other than that, a good attempt at the thankless task of bringing Supes back to the big screen.
I loved Superman Returns!

Bryan Singer and Brandon Routh did a Excellent job!
I enjoyed the movie it was better than "Batman Begins"
Ok, The Matrix Revolutions was rubbish but when I first saw the fight scene between neo and Agent Smith towards the end my first thought was that this is what a Superman move should have in it - a great big ball-busting, buildings being knocked down, fists breaking the sound barrier, punch-up.

But we got Lex Luthor again....

The film is also too dark and gothic-y. I can appreciate Bryan Singer stylising the film like an old 1940's ish matinee movie however whilst this works for The Rocketeer for example, it is better suited to Batman - a dark and brooding character - rather than Superman, who should be portrayed in a bright and colourful world.

And what's with the costume (NEVER mess with the costume!!) and Lois Lane having a kid?!?
This had to be the most sedate of the recent, big budget superhero movies; it builds and builds and by the end of nearly two and a half hours has gone nowhere. I liked parts of it, but there's not one exciting or rousing, clap your hands and cheer moment past the first major action sequence and the actors seemed like they were all on Thorazine through the whole thing. Yawn...either it's getting really late or I'm getting tired just thinking about it.
Superman returned and I returned the favor by seeing it three times…so far. I loved every minute of the film and suffered no ill effects even after the third go round. It moved faster than a speeding bullet. If a director can keep me from squirming in my seat after 2.5 hours and gets me to see the film in a theater more than once, he did a tremendous job in my book.
Adrian wrote: Trap Door wrote:

Spoiler what would you think would happen to a Piano on a Boat in Rough seas? :p


Spoiler
At the moment that happened, I don't think the seas were very rough. Also, the piano would be bolted to the floor in such a way to withstand rough seas, so something extraordinary would have to happen to move the piano



But we never actually see it... That's my argument. Although it probably did happen how you all say.
Trap Door wrote:

Spoiler what would you think would happen to a Piano on a Boat in Rough seas? :p


Spoiler
At the moment that happened, I don't think the seas were very rough. Also, the piano would be bolted to the floor in such a way to withstand rough seas, so something extraordinary would have to happen to move the piano

Adrian wrote: Dustin wrote: Just to clarify my opinion, I absolutely loved Spacey as Lex, but I'm ready for a few new villains.  Keep him in the mix, sure, but bring on Braniac, Mxyztplk, Bizarro, General Zod, and when it's time for Supes death, bring on Doomsday.

I'm not sure how well the rest of the villians would transfer to the big screen.  You never know.  Singer has done a pretty good job up to this point.

Spoiler And to the other argument, there is no doubt that the kid is Superman's kid.  Do you think a normal human child could use a grand piano to kill someone?


Spoiler what would you think would happen to a Piano on a Boat in Rough seas? :p

But I do think it is Spoiler Superman's Son, especially at the end when he looks over the boy, maybe he used X-ray vision to see his intsides aren't all human. Also it's possible Lois whisphered this to him in his ear. Might be so as it had the boy standing next to the costume after.
I personally loved the movie, but it definitely suffers from being too long.  I could have cut a half hour and it would have been good.  Of course, I loved The Punisher and The Hulk.
Wow. Only $155 million to date.  And everyone had this pegged as the film to beat this summer.
Interesting.  
My late (since I just saw it today) and overlong review:

This is a very good movie but it's not great. The pacing of the story works, it never felt long like Peter Jackson't King Kong remake did. In fact, I think SR should have been longer. The Smallville scenes should have been expanded, I wanted to see more of Martha Kent and her reaction to Clark's return, plus more flashbacks. The actor playing the young Clark was really good. I don't know if the scenes after Young Clark falls through the barn were edited poorly but it looked like the film had been spliced together after it had broken, from the way the images jumped back and forth so quickly from young and older Clark. I would like to have seen a better transition from Smallville to Metropolis.

I don't mind the Donner movie influences, the opening credits were great and I liked the use of the Williams' theme. Even though there was less to the Jor-El footage than I expected, what was there worked and I liked how it was used. I've always loved the look of Krypton and the Fortress of Solitude from the '78 film, it has a unique and original look and I'm glad the design was carried over. I enjoyed all of the dialogue references too. While Luthor's plan was too similiar and the story somewhat weak, things like this have never bothered me before.

I can deal with weak plots and story if the characters are interesting. I never watched all 4 seasons of Lois & Clark for the stories. For the most part, the characters in SR were well done. Kate Bosworth was better than expected as Lois, she was very believable as being hurt by Superman's leaving and abandonment of her. Spacey was great as Lex, he wasn't over the top and was very menacing. He was the best cast actor in the movie. Huntington was really good as Jimmy and Langella took time getting used to. I liked his lower key approach to the role, Lane Smith is the best Perry in my opinion. Parker Posey was good as Kitty, I've never liked her before.

I like how Jason White was used, I like how certain things about the character were downplayed. Marsden was really good, seeing him in a hero role makes me wish his part in the X-men movies was larger. Routh was excellent as Superman, His Clark was good but could have been better. The problem is that the character was under used in the movie. He (Clark) spent most of the movie just sitting around. He's supposed to be a reporter but we don't get to see him do anything but sit and look around the Planet offices.

The movie would have worked better if Clark and Lois had more screen time together, they should have investigated the blackout together. Lois is the one who does all of the work. I didn't like how she and her son just walked onto Lex's yacht and we captured, it was too anti-climatic. What worked the best were the scenes between Lois and Superman. I felt their pain. I really cared about the characters in general in this movie, even though many of them (Clark, Jimmy, Perry, etc.) were underutilized. Seeing Kitty in tears as Superman was being worked over by Luthor's Henchmen was well done. I believed that she was sorry for what was happening.

The visual effects were well done for the most part, except for Superman's cape. It looked animated to the point of being distracting in a few shots. The action scenes were also well done, I felt the characters were really in danger, some of the other Superhero movies lacked this sense of feeling in the fight and action scenes. Visually the movie was superb. The costume looked better on screen than the still did. The colour of the red still takes a little geting used to but it wasn't distracting.

The extended ending was good for the most part, the hospital scenes were the weakest and the Lex/Kitty scene was my favourite. The movie could have used more humour and it lacked the excitement of the other Superman incarnations. What I liked the most was, that for the first time, I actually felt Superman's feeling of being an outsider and his alienation, this added a lot to the movie. The movie was about choices and consequences and how his decision to leave affected his life. I think this added some depth to the character. Singer and co may have painted themselves into a corner but I look forward to seeing how things turn out in a sequel. I also think that this is a movie that will get better on repeat viewings.

I give it a 9/10
I thought the action in Batman Begins was awfully shot, and that the final act was anything but organic, but it was all in all a better film that Superman Returns. At least no one said "I've got to get me one of those", right?
Dustin wrote: Just to clarify my opinion, I absolutely loved Spacey as Lex, but I'm ready for a few new villains.  Keep him in the mix, sure, but bring on Braniac, Mxyztplk, Bizarro, General Zod, and when it's time for Supes death, bring on Doomsday.

I'm not sure how well the rest of the villians would transfer to the big screen.  You never know.  Singer has done a pretty good job up to this point.

Spoiler And to the other argument, there is no doubt that the kid is Superman's kid.  Do you think a normal human child could use a grand piano to kill someone?
Cheddar, I totally agree.  If I didn't state it in my SE review of the flick, then it's my favorite comic book flick ever.  Such fantastical gothic elements.... wonderful.
stanton heck wrote: I agree with Dustin BUT I did like this MUCH Better than Batman Returns

"Batman Returns" is my #1 Superhero/comic book movie. Even though it may not be so much a "Batman" movie and more a Tim Burton movie, it still outdoes pretty much all of them.
I agree with Dustin BUT I did like this MUCH Better than Batman Returns
It was a very well made film on all counts, but it had a weak plot. Basically I'd have to say that Dustin was correct in his assesment.

Way better than X3, but not good enough for me to forgive Singer for ditching the franchise he made special (not that Singer has to answer to me or anything...)
Dustin wrote: Just to clarify my opinion, I absolutely loved Spacey as Lex, but I'm ready for a few new villains.  Keep him in the mix, sure, but bring on Braniac, Mxyztplk, Bizarro, General Zod, and when it's time for Supes death, bring on Doomsday.

I agree... I doubt that singer will even use Mxyztplk or Bizarro tho, because, judging by the way the X-Men films were handled by him and the fact that Returns doesn't make direct mention fo the phantome zone or any really 'otherworldly', he'll probably attempt to keep it away from alternate world vilians or magic manipulators.

Of course, I could be competely wrong just as easily.

Oh, n sorry about forgetting the spoiler tags everybody. Brain fart.
change?
Dustin wrote: Oh c'mon!  But someone agree with me on this: the only new story here was the kid!  The film suffers from a horrid lack of originality, it's like a two and a half hour tribute to the Donner films...

Not saying I didn't like it, because I did... but it had glaring faults.


The story can't change.  It is part of the heritage.  Didn't you see the original?

I would look at it as a color enhancement with up-to-date special effects.  I hope the directing and acting is up to par.    I almost went to see it tonight.
Just to clarify my opinion, I absolutely loved Spacey as Lex, but I'm ready for a few new villains.  Keep him in the mix, sure, but bring on Braniac, Mxyztplk, Bizarro, General Zod, and when it's time for Supes death, bring on Doomsday.
Don't be sorry. I didn't mean to sound like a stuffy know it all or anything. But with subject matter like this, anything is really possible, that's all.
Cheddar J. Cheese wrote: Tony DeFrancisco wrote: Okay, I saw the movie today, here is my two cents.

Spoiler I'm pretty sure that the child is Superman's father. But something isn't right. This takes place after Superman II, he's been gone for five years. The kid doesn't exactly look 4 or 5, I'd say maybe 7. To agree with Dustin, I'm tired of Lex too, hopefully this will be the last time we see him.

This might be just me too, but don't you think someone at the newspaper office realize Clark was missing?

Kate Bosworth looks too young too compared to the original Lois Lane


I'm very p**sed off too, I was expecting the Spidey 3 trailer, and my theater never showed it. My Quicktime is busted too, is there any other way I can get it besides downloading it?



Wait, just to clarify...
Spoiler  The kid is Superman's father (Jor-El) or Superman is his father?

Youtube had the trailer before it was in theatres. Check there.
Spoiler Superman is his father. Sorry if I didn't make that clear enough.
Hey this was the best comic-movie since X-2.
Tony DeFrancisco wrote: Okay, I saw the movie today, here is my two cents.

Spoiler I'm pretty sure that the child is Superman's father. But something isn't right. This takes place after Superman II, he's been gone for five years. The kid doesn't exactly look 4 or 5, I'd say maybe 7. To agree with Dustin, I'm tired of Lex too, hopefully this will be the last time we see him.

This might be just me too, but don't you think someone at the newspaper office realize Clark was missing?

Kate Bosworth looks too young too compared to the original Lois Lane


I'm very p**sed off too, I was expecting the Spidey 3 trailer, and my theater never showed it. My Quicktime is busted too, is there any other way I can get it besides downloading it?



Wait, just to clarify...
Spoiler  The kid is Superman's father (Jor-El) or Superman is his father?

Youtube had the trailer before it was in theatres. Check there.
Okay, I saw the movie today, here is my two cents.

Spoiler I'm pretty sure that the child is Superman's father. But something isn't right. This takes place after Superman II, he's been gone for five years. The kid doesn't exactly look 4 or 5, I'd say maybe 7. To agree with Dustin, I'm tired of Lex too, hopefully this will be the last time we see him.

This might be just me too, but don't you think someone at the newspaper office realize Clark was missing?

Kate Bosworth looks too young too compared to the original Lois Lane


I'm very p**sed off too, I was expecting the Spidey 3 trailer, and my theater never showed it. My Quicktime is busted too, is there any other way I can get it besides downloading it?
Jersey Jedi wrote: Cheddar J. Cheese wrote: Ok, but did we actually see him do that?

No, but the whole point of the film Spoiler is that Kal-El left for years to look for his history, his home and his people when what he was really looking for (his son) was on earth. And after his speach at the end of the movie, there's no way they would have him give the speach at the end of the movie (the same speach his father gave to him) if it wasn't his son.


Spoiler  Interesting... I like how you say that what he was looking for was always here. Very nicely put. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Jason is Kal-El's son. He is also Lois' son, half human. He obviously has human frailties. But the kryptonite... He showed no weakness to the kryptonite, 2 theories: 1) Since he's only half kryptonian, kryptonite doesn't affect him. Or 2) Kryptonite does the opposite to him (strengthens him). Also, think about the CURRENT "Superman II" (and not the Donner cut, as "II" is the official version), how did he get his powers back? The green crystal. Now, we know now that the crystals have powers themselves. The green one restored his powers perhaps? And maybe, if Jason touched one of the crystals on the table on the boat, he'd get powers (if somewhat temporary and/or limited). I am of course just speculating, it is hard to deny that Jason IS Superman's/Clark's. But who knows, this may just be a red herring, or it's the real deal, Superman is a father, he is no longer alone.
Jersey Jedi, spoiler tags next time... please.  That's a huge reveal for people who haven't seen it yet.
Happy
Cheddar J. Cheese wrote: Ok, but did we actually see him do that?

No, but the whole point of the film Spoiler is that Kal-El left for years to look for his history, his home and his people when what he was really looking for (his son) was on earth. And after his speach at the end of the movie, there's no way they would have him give the speach at the end of the movie (the same speach his father gave to him) if it wasn't his son.
Ok, but did we actually see him do that?
Cheddar J. Cheese wrote: "Superman: The Movie" and "Superman II" are 2 of my favourite superhero movies. I can honestly say that "Superman Returns" is the best Superman movie, and one of the best superhero movies out there.
Spoiler The kid is never confirmed. It was left very ambiguous. Although Lois and Superman believe it, it's not necessarilly true. And there are other things (in regard to the overnight stay in the fortress in "II"Wink that are not plot holes, but just raise questions.

I laughed out loud at Ebert's review (beware, spoilers) http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar...


i dont think its ambiguous after the piano thing
mikey mike wrote: don't know why filmmakers feel the need to bore audiences nowadays. peter jackson syndrome I suppose

Or the MTV syndrome.
returns isn't the best IMHO but it is the 3rd best in the franchise. if Singer had trimmed 15 minutes from the opening and filled some plot holes it may have achieved the level of excellence  that "Batman Begins" has reached. don't know why filmmakers feel the need to bore audiences nowadays. peter jackson syndrome I suppose
"Superman: The Movie" and "Superman II" are 2 of my favourite superhero movies. I can honestly say that "Superman Returns" is the best Superman movie, and one of the best superhero movies out there.
Spoiler The kid is never confirmed. It was left very ambiguous. Although Lois and Superman believe it, it's not necessarilly true. And there are other things (in regard to the overnight stay in the fortress in "II") that are not plot holes, but just raise questions.

I laughed out loud at Ebert's review (beware, spoilers) http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar...
I was looking forward to the Polar Bear fight.
Stephen Etherton wrote: Chris wrote: What I want to know is, does he get to fight a giant spider in the third act?

I believe Capt. West & Artemus Gordon took care of this for Mr. Peters. lol.


I swear to god I half expected to see a gay Robot gaurding the Fortress of Solitude in those early scenes.
Chris wrote: What I want to know is, does he get to fight a giant spider in the third act?

I believe Capt. West & Artemus Gordon took care of this for Mr. Peters. lol.
The ending is at MoviePooper if anyone wants to read it.

I can't wait to see it today!
What I want to know is, does he get to fight a giant spider in the third act?
I can't agree with ya.
I loved it, it was everything it should have been.  Brian Singer saved this character and the franchise from the horrible ideas that were floating around for the past several years.

The only thing that may have made it better, since Singer was paying tribute to Richard Donner's flicks, if Singer filmed Superman Returns 2 (or whatever it'll be called) at the same time, so we knew it was coming faster (than a speeding bullit).

I will see it again, but this time with my free Superman Returns passes I got inside Lois & Clark & Superboy DVDs.
Oh c'mon!  But someone agree with me on this: the only new story here was the kid!  The film suffers from a horrid lack of originality, it's like a two and a half hour tribute to the Donner films...

Not saying I didn't like it, because I did... but it had glaring faults.
Like Jedi, I loved it. My only gripe with the movie was the ending, kinda left me wanting more. Really enjoyable though and the Spidey 3 trailer was icing.
Loved every second of it. Characters, plot and effects were handeled perfectly. As of right now, it's looking to usurp Spider-Man 2 as my favorite superhero movie. It's lenght was exactly what was necessary to resolve the story, and was paced leisurely for a reason, and it works.

And go see it in IMAX 3D. Holy Sheite.
Superman Returns
Just got back from Superman Returns.  Thought I'd share my thoughts because I'm a loudmouth that way.

Enjoyable film.  Way too long.  But worst of all, unnecessary!!!  Right down to the opening credits, this is a rehash of the Donner films.  I've got two plot spoilers for ya that are going to blow your mind.  Spoiler The way to hurt Superman is Kryptonite and Spoiler Lex Luthor is still craving land, a real estate scheme.

Gee.... those are a big surprise.  Just because Supe's villains other than Lex are not as well known, doesn't mean they're not film material.  I'm tired of Lex.  Spacey was GREAT, but this film doesn't have anything we haven't seen before, well, maybe a little.

Batman Begins was justified in that it brought so much new to the Bat-film table.  New thematic material, new look, new music, new characters, new cast.  The only one of these that Superman Returns attempts to make new is the cast, and they even port over Brando from the old ones.  Well, we do have a SMALL handful of new faces...

Could've been much better, had it only have been more unique.