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25th February 2006 18:27  #1

Aaron Schneiderman Senior Member Join Date: September 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1,198
Supporting Roles: Second Bananas
I was thinking about the decision by the Academy to nominate Jake Gyllenhaall for a supporting role in "Brokeback Mountain." His part was really a starring role opposite Heath Ledger and his presense made the film far better than it might have been with another actor. Oh, no pun intended with the reference to "second bananas!"

Another great paring was Robert Shaw and Richard Dreyfuss in "Jaws." Without those two actors, Roy Scheider's performance would have been less memorable. As it was in the awful "Jaws 2"

27th February 2006 23:06  #2

Adrian Senior Member Join Date: September 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1,305
Maybe they should have nominated Jake for Best Actress Very Happy

I have no idea what guidelines they go by because Anthony Hopkins won his Best Actor Oscar in Silence of the Lambs with barely 15 minutes of screen time.  Seems like he should have been nominated in the Supporting category instead.

27th February 2006 23:39  #3

Je Ff Member Join Date: February 2005 Location: United States Posts: 438
I dont want to see Brokeback win anything.  First of all, everyone who's not a critic that I know that's seen it has said its "okay".  Second, the Oscars are going to be boring and predictable because they are going to give everything to this.  No surprises when LOTR won in 2003.  Last year Million Dollar Baby wasn't a certainty.  But this year, another boring, predictable, ego-inducinig ceremony.  They shouldn't give it to Ang Lee as punishment for Hulk and I would rather see Gyllenhall nominatied as a starring role in Jarhead rather than this overrated movie.  I'd like to see Crash win.  So much emotion.  I cried in the scene with the locksmith's daughter and the Persian convience store owner.

28th February 2006 0:37  #4

Gabe Powers Editor Join Date: September 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4,439 Send a message via ICQ to Gabe Powers
First of all, Hulk was a fine film. Secondly, you can't punish a director for a past film by ignornig his current one.

Third, and most importantly, it really doesn't matter, because as we've all stated time and time again, the Oscars aren't worth a damn thing anymore. From what I understand (not having seen Brokeback or Crash) it seems to me that Crash is the easy ticket choice, as I've heard it discribed as pandoring and placative, which from the ads and press, seems to be accurate.

Again, I can't speak critically on the matter because the only best picture nominee I've seen this year was Munich, which I suppose I'll be rooting for, even if it has no chance of winning.

On topic, I think that Ewan McGregor's and Ian McDirmad's work on Episode 3 went above and beyond the call of duty, especially considering the constrictive direction of Lucas. I thought David Carradine's work in Kill Bill Vl2 wasperfect, and without his charming portrail, the final third of the film would've been wasted with easy answers and the same old same old slaughter scenes. Another recent supporting role that made the film was Rodrigo De la Serna as Alberto Granado in the Motorcycle Diaries.

28th February 2006 0:52  #5

Je Ff Member Join Date: February 2005 Location: United States Posts: 438
Kill Bill v.2 and the Motorcycle Diaries were involved in the previous oscars.  I don't recal what, if any, awards they recieved.

28th February 2006 1:11  #6

Tigerclaw Member Join Date: November 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 493 Send a message via MSN to Tigerclaw
Ed Norton...I don't know if he ever won any awards but every roles he's been, he's been great.

28th February 2006 1:24  #7

Je Ff Member Join Date: February 2005 Location: United States Posts: 438
Fight Club, Red Dragon, American History X....why hasn't he recieved any awards?

28th February 2006 1:40  #8

Aaron Schneiderman Senior Member Join Date: September 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1,198
Je Ff wrote: I dont want to see Brokeback win anything.  First of all, everyone who's not a critic that I know that's seen it has said its "okay".

And as my folks always said, "So if your friends jump off the Brooklyn Bridge you are gonna follow them?" I suggest you watch the film for yourself. It is far from overrated. In fact it has been the subject of so many jokes that the media has diminished the beauty of this film. It deserves the nominations it has received. Now lets see if the academy will honor it properly.

28th February 2006 1:41  #9

Gabe Powers Editor Join Date: September 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4,439 Send a message via ICQ to Gabe Powers
Because he always plays the same character, with the exception of American History X, which earned him a nomination. I like the guy a lot, but think he's a bit on the overrated side. Also, every movie you mentioned, Jeff, he was (arguably) the lead in.

28th February 2006 1:42  #10

Aaron Schneiderman Senior Member Join Date: September 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1,198
Back to the subject of my original post...  The passing of Don Knotts reminded me of how important he was to Andy Griffith.

28th February 2006 1:55  #11

Je Ff Member Join Date: February 2005 Location: United States Posts: 438
Aaron Schneiderman wrote: Je Ff wrote: I dont want to see Brokeback win anything.  First of all, everyone who's not a critic that I know that's seen it has said its "okay".

And as my folks always said, "So if your friends jump off the Brooklyn Bridge you are gonna follow them?" I suggest you watch the film for yourself. It is far from overrated. In fact it has been the subject of so many jokes that the media has diminished the beauty of this film. It deserves the nominations it has received. Now lets see if the academy will honor it properly.


I just would like it to be a surprise.  Anyway, I have no interest in seeing the film.  Nothing homophobic, it just seems really depressing and overblown.  And about the jokes, Best Week Ever has a podcast and they have one called No More Brokeback Jokes.  It's very funny and anyone with iTunes should check it out.  It's free, about 2 mins. long, and very entertaining.

28th February 2006 15:31  #12

Adrian Senior Member Join Date: September 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1,305
Je Ff wrote: Fight Club, Red Dragon, American History X....why hasn't he recieved any awards?

You didn't even mention his best role, which was Primal Fear.

He's been nominated for Best Acting Oscar twice, for American History X and Primal Fear.  He lost to Geoffrey Rush in Shine in 1997 and Robert Benigni in 1999.

28th February 2006 20:55  #13

Gabe Powers Editor Join Date: September 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4,439 Send a message via ICQ to Gabe Powers
Again, I wasn't THAT impressed with his role in Primal Fear, I think American History X was his finest acting.

And f**k Benigni.

1st March 2006 15:17  #14

Adrian Senior Member Join Date: September 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1,305
Gabe Powers wrote: Again, I wasn't THAT impressed with his role in Primal Fear, I think American History X was his finest acting.

And f**k Benigni.


I think it depends on which order you see them in.  I saw Primal Fear when it was first released and no one had every heard of Ed Norton.  He just blew me away.

But then again, what do I know.  I like most of Gere's movies.  Very Happy

3rd March 2006 0:59  #15

Aaron Schneiderman Senior Member Join Date: September 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1,198
Gabe Powers wrote: First of all, Hulk was a fine film....

What?

3rd March 2006 3:15  #16

Gabe Powers Editor Join Date: September 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4,439 Send a message via ICQ to Gabe Powers
Hulk is one of my personal favorite comic book films. In a very old series of posts I started back when we were still DVDAnswers, I started "Gabe's Blaphemous Remarks", and my first was that Ang Lee's Hulk is a better film than Donner's Superman.

And I still mean it. Though I readily admit that the final 30 minutes are a bit flubbed, I  enjoy the rest of the film very much as both a art film melodrama, and an over-the-top comic book flick.

4th March 2006 5:13  #17

Aaron Schneiderman Senior Member Join Date: September 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1,198
In my opinion, all the recent comic book adaptaions are pale in comparison to Richard Donner's loving treatment of the man of steel. "Superman: The Movie" Is still the best.

4th March 2006 10:35  #18

Donnie_Darko Banned Join Date: January 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 352
No Hellboy is the best super-hero comicbook film

and overall best comicbook film is Frank Miller's Sin City

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