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1st August 2006 3:05  #1

Jersey Jedi Member Join Date: August 2004 Location: United States Posts: 714
The Dark Knight
Batman Begins Sequal Title and Joker Casting Confirmed

Smells Fishy to me, but it could just as easily be true. Love the title too, although they don't specify if it will be prefaced by "Batman:" or something to that effect.

1st August 2006 3:28  #2

Cheddar J. Cheese Member Join Date: October 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,492
I like it, it's better than that ugly rumour of "The Joker" floating around a few weeks ago.

As for Heath Ledger, I was skeptical when I first heard it, but after awhile of thinking it over, he could be very good as teh Clown Prince of Crime. He is obviously a great actor and should mix well with an already stellar ensemble cast (except for Katie Holmes).

1st August 2006 4:07  #3

Adrian Senior Member Join Date: September 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1,305
Ledger a great actor?  Hardly passable is more how I would categorize him.

1st August 2006 4:20  #4

Tony DeFrancisco Senior Member Join Date: July 2005 Location: United States Posts: 2,652
Don't like the title, but I'll be looking forward to it.

Anyway, I think Heath Ledger is a great actor, especially in Brokeback, but at the same time, he also starred in Bros. Grimm...

1st August 2006 4:40  #5

Adrian Senior Member Join Date: September 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1,305
One good film doesn't make a great actor.  It may work out.  I couldn't see Michael Keaton as Batman either and that was a bit of inspired casting.

1st August 2006 5:39  #6

Cheddar J. Cheese Member Join Date: October 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,492
Adrian wrote: One good film doesn't make a great actor.  It may work out.  I couldn't see Michael Keaton as Batman either and that was a bit of inspired casting.

He's been in more than one good film. And he is a good actor, he isn't recognisable in any 2 roles because he becomes the character (like any). I agree with the Michael Keaton comment. I have faith in Nolan as I didn't see Bale as a good Batman and we all know how that turned out. So they wouldn't have chosen him if he wasn't up to their standards of being a great actor. This is the JOKER, not some dinky bank robber, the ultimate villain in Gotham City. I would've preferred Paul Bettany or Christopher Eccleston, but it should turn out better than we all think.

1st August 2006 13:37  #7

Adrian Senior Member Join Date: September 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1,305
Cheddar J. Cheese wrote:
He's been in more than one good film. And he is a good actor, he isn't recognisable in any 2 roles because he becomes the character (like any).


Not try to antagonize you, but I looked at his filmography and he doesn't have a single other role that stands out.  I recently watched Casanova.  He's not Casanova, he's Heath Ledger.  The only role in which he wasn't Heath Ledger was Brokeback Mountain.  And I'd almost argue that wasn't a great acting job since he talked like he had a mouthful of marbles the entire time.

But to each, his own.

1st August 2006 14:06  #8

Stephen Etherton Member Join Date: October 2003 Location: United States Posts: 706
Well, there it is then.

I like the title, and I an impartial to the Joker casting.  He may be able to pull it off.  So far, with the outstandingly good job Christopher Nolan did with the "Begins" movie, I'd trust him not to screw it up with a sequal.  The casting in 'Begins' was uber-great, so I trust he has an idea what he is doing.

1st August 2006 14:25  #9

Trap Door Member Join Date: January 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 250
So I wonder who will play Harvey Dent. Not happy about the Joker casting but Trust Nolan.

Like the title. Does this mean the third film will be called "The Dark Knight Returns"?

1st August 2006 15:29  #10

Adrian Senior Member Join Date: September 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1,305
Trap Door wrote: So I wonder who will play Harvey Dent. Not happy about the Joker casting but Trust Nolan

And will he switch between being a black man in one movie to a white man in the next Confused

1st August 2006 19:36  #11

Gabe Powers Editor Join Date: September 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4,454 Send a message via ICQ to Gabe Powers
He was black in the original comic, I remeber that much.

1st August 2006 22:05  #12

Stephen Etherton Member Join Date: October 2003 Location: United States Posts: 706
Gabe Powers wrote: He was black in the original comic, I remeber that much.

I hate to argue, but I dont think so.
His first appearance was Detective Comics #66 (1942) as Harvey Kent (later to be changed so not to confue readers of that fellow in Metropolis).  He was only black when Billy Dee Williams was cast as the character in 1989.

1st August 2006 23:02  #13

Gabe Powers Editor Join Date: September 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4,454 Send a message via ICQ to Gabe Powers
I coulda sworn his early incarnation was black, but I can't find anything on it, so I concede.

2nd August 2006 18:44  #14

Gunsprout Member Join Date: March 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 171
So do you reckon that the Joker will stick to the comic version or do you reckon that they'll add a bit of the acrobatic cartoon version from The Batman into the mix? It'd make for some good fight scenes...

2nd August 2006 19:16  #15

Trap Door Member Join Date: January 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 250
Adrian wrote: Trap Door wrote: So I wonder who will play Harvey Dent. Not happy about the Joker casting but Trust Nolan

And will he switch between being a black man in one movie to a white man in the next Confused

Not if he has a big part role. If he is cast he will be signed for two movies.

I think the Joker will be very different in this film. I doubt he will be like any Joker we've seen before.

2nd August 2006 19:30  #16

Gabe Powers Editor Join Date: September 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4,454 Send a message via ICQ to Gabe Powers
I want the Joker to be scary, but I'm pretty sure that won't be a problem considering the fact that fear was the basis of the previous film. And I really don't want him to be a fighter. He's got henchmen for that.

2nd August 2006 19:54  #17

Cheddar J. Cheese Member Join Date: October 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,492
He has to be insane/scary. I mean, we've never really seen an actually insane Joker (in pictures). Nicholson was evil and a bit crazy. The animated Joker was cartoony and zany, therefore insane, but tame enough for a audience of children.

This Joker has to be completely psychotic and genuinely frightening. A ruthless killer and laughing while doing anything. Nicholson might've done that, but I never was convinced that he was the ultimate Batman villain.

It would be interesting, and I think good if the movie didn't show the Joker until the end. As I understand it, it's about Batman, Gordon and Dent tracking down the Joker. Maybe have them only glimpse him and then he escapes or something, very teaseful until the climax (where he ultimately gets away and scars Dent in the process).

Then "The Dark Knight Returns" (Batman Begins 3) would be all 3 villains against Batman (Plus either/and/or Penguin and Riddler and Catwoman)

As for Dent, when I heard Liev Schreiber's name go out there, I thought he'd be perfect. But now it's leaning more towards Josh Lucas who has expressed interest. I dunno if I can see him doing it... Dent has to be older too, mid to late 30s to early 40s.

To Adrien:
I admit that I haven't seen Heath Ledger in much, I haven't seen "Brokeback Mountain" so my opinions probably don't have that much value. But in the end, I believe he can do it.

2nd August 2006 22:46  #18

Jersey Jedi Member Join Date: August 2004 Location: United States Posts: 714
Cheddar J. Cheese wrote:

Then "The Dark Knight Returns" (Batman Begins 3) would be all 3 villains against Batman (Plus either/and/or Penguin and Riddler and Catwoman)


OR... Scarecrow comes back. He was never captured in 'Begins'. That could be fun.

2nd August 2006 23:39  #19

Trap Door Member Join Date: January 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 250
Jersey Jedi wrote: Cheddar J. Cheese wrote:

Then "The Dark Knight Returns" (Batman Begins 3) would be all 3 villains against Batman (Plus either/and/or Penguin and Riddler and Catwoman)


OR... Scarecrow comes back. He was never captured in 'Begins'. That could be fun.

Or Ras comes back as we never see him die and in the Novel it's mentioned that his body wasn't found.

3rd August 2006 0:10  #20

Cheddar J. Cheese Member Join Date: October 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,492
Trap Door wrote: Jersey Jedi wrote: Cheddar J. Cheese wrote:

Then "The Dark Knight Returns" (Batman Begins 3) would be all 3 villains against Batman (Plus either/and/or Penguin and Riddler and Catwoman)


OR... Scarecrow comes back. He was never captured in 'Begins'. That could be fun.

Or Ras comes back as we never see him die and in the Novel it's mentioned that his body wasn't found.


1. Joker
2. Two Face
3. Scarecrow
+ Villains mentioned

Although it's extremely debatable, Ras is dead.

PS. My apologies for mispelling your name in my previous post Adrian.

3rd August 2006 13:35  #21

Stephen Etherton Member Join Date: October 2003 Location: United States Posts: 706
I think they are stuck somewhat with the Joker being there, but I'd like to see them continue to use the lesser mainstream villians, too.  Let's see Harvey Dent be Harvey Dent in the sequal, and maybe get burned toward the end and rushed to the hospital, and save all his Two-Faceness to be in part three as he struggles for sanity and all.  Ras is immortal, but I hope they are done with him.  I'd like to see Scarecrow come back, but no more screen time than before.   Maybe he could be the opening hook, like the movie starts out with his final adventure/capture to show there have been adventures and work between the films.  As before... I trust in the Nolan.  Just my 2cents here.

3rd August 2006 14:01  #22

Intergalactic Ponce Member Join Date: April 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,151
Wasn't there a rumour (maybe a couple of years ago before Batman Begins was released) that Michael Keaton was going to be considered to play The Joker. Although it appeared to be a case of 'stunt' casting it didn't seem to be a bad idea at the time as Batman & Robin was the rather low bench mark back then. Anyone else remember this rumour?

3rd August 2006 20:27  #23

Gunsprout Member Join Date: March 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 171
I just want to see Mr Freeze done properly. If only to eradicate that abomination of a performance by Arnie from my memory!!

4th August 2006 1:41  #24

Trap Door Member Join Date: January 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 250
Cheddar J. Cheese wrote:

Although it's extremely debatable, Ras is dead.



For the second time Wink

7th August 2006 6:45  #25

Cheddar J. Cheese Member Join Date: October 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,492
Trap Door wrote: Cheddar J. Cheese wrote:

Although it's extremely debatable, Ras is dead.



For the second time Wink


Never died the first time... Unless you mean that Ducard wasn't Ra's at all and someone else is Ra's... But I think that was the last we saw of Ra's.

7th August 2006 7:22  #26

Tigerclaw Member Join Date: November 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 493 Send a message via MSN to Tigerclaw
Intergalactic Ponce wrote: Wasn't there a rumour (maybe a couple of years ago before Batman Begins was released) that Michael Keaton was going to be considered to play The Joker. Although it appeared to be a case of 'stunt' casting it didn't seem to be a bad idea at the time as Batman & Robin was the rather low bench mark back then. Anyone else remember this rumour?

Nope!

7th August 2006 15:05  #27

Jersey Jedi Member Join Date: August 2004 Location: United States Posts: 714
Intergalactic Ponce wrote: Wasn't there a rumour (maybe a couple of years ago before Batman Begins was released) that Michael Keaton was going to be considered to play The Joker. Although it appeared to be a case of 'stunt' casting it didn't seem to be a bad idea at the time as Batman & Robin was the rather low bench mark back then. Anyone else remember this rumour?

I did hear about that rumor, I think @ IGN FilmForce. However, that's all it was. Rumor.

7th August 2006 19:27  #28

Trap Door Member Join Date: January 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 250
Cheddar J. Cheese wrote: Trap Door wrote: Cheddar J. Cheese wrote:

Although it's extremely debatable, Ras is dead.



For the second time Wink


Never died the first time... Unless you mean that Ducard wasn't Ra's at all and someone else is Ra's... But I think that was the last we saw of Ra's.

I'm talking about the guy Ducard said was Ras, he died so in fact he did die the first time. We thought we saw him die at the beginning of the film but we were wrong. Who's to say Ras or someone with Ras name wouldn't return.

9th August 2006 21:36  #29

Cheddar J. Cheese Member Join Date: October 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,492
Trap Door wrote: Cheddar J. Cheese wrote: Trap Door wrote: Cheddar J. Cheese wrote:

Although it's extremely debatable, Ras is dead.



For the second time Wink


Never died the first time... Unless you mean that Ducard wasn't Ra's at all and someone else is Ra's... But I think that was the last we saw of Ra's.

I'm talking about the guy Ducard said was Ras, he died so in fact he did die the first time. We thought we saw him die at the beginning of the film but we were wrong. Who's to say Ras or someone with Ras name wouldn't return.


The man on the hill perhaps?

9th August 2006 23:07  #30

Trap Door Member Join Date: January 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 250
Yeah.
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