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9th August 2006 23:13  #31

Cheddar J. Cheese Member Join Date: October 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,492
It would be a good idea, but why I said that Ra's HAS to be dead is that if they brought him back AND as another person, it would seem lame and repetitive, IMHO. If Ducard came back as Ra's it would be true to Ra's' character if he were truly immortal (if they're going for that approach).

11th August 2006 17:51  #32

juanacate Member Join Date: August 2006 Location: United States Posts: 20 Send a message via MSN to juanacate
I like the title of the movie. It makes it feel like its going to be darker (I wonder if they can do that) than 'Begins'.

About Heath Ledger beign the Joker, I don't know. Is one of those choices where you think its ridiculous but in the end surprises you.

13th August 2006 15:02  #33

Tigerclaw Member Join Date: November 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 493 Send a message via MSN to Tigerclaw
If any comic has a claim to have truly reinvigorated the genre, then The Dark Knight Returns by Frank Miller would be the one.  Hopefully, Christopher Nolan can continue the success he's add with Batman Begins.

14th August 2006 23:15  #34

P O Hara Member Join Date: September 2005 Location: Ireland Posts: 93
Brokeback Batman anyone.........?? lol
Srry couldnt resist.....

15th August 2006 18:44  #35

stanton heck Member Join Date: June 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1,098
I like the title but I didn't care for most of the Batman movies including "Batman Brgins"

16th August 2006 14:34  #36

Tony DeFrancisco Senior Member Join Date: July 2005 Location: United States Posts: 2,652
Here's an update on the casting from IMDb:

Phillippe Lands Two-Face Role?


Ryan Phillippe may be set to take over from Tommy Lee Jones after reportedly landing the role of Harvey Dent/Two-Face in the upcoming Batman Begins sequel. Reese Witherspoon's husband will join Heath Ledger, who has signed on to play The Joker, and new Batman Christian Bale in The Dark Knight. Crash star Phillippe beat Liev Shreiber and Josh Lucas to the role of the scheming district attorney, played by Jones in 1995 movie Batman Forever, according to internet reports. Academy Award winners Sir Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman have also joined the cast, while fellow Oscar winner Philip Seymour Hoffman is in talks to play The Penguin in the new film.

16th August 2006 15:33  #37

Cheddar J. Cheese Member Join Date: October 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,492
He's too young, I don't really like that idea... I'd prefer Josh Lucas and I really don't want him to be Two-Face either. Well, like Heath Legder, IF this is true then he may surprise us all.
I think it'd be a bad idea for the Pwnguin to appear as a villain in this one. Hoffman is the perfect choice for the Gentleman of Crime, but he can't be a major major villain, there are too many.

Although, come to think of it, how many did "Begins" have? 2? 3? If done properly it could work I guess, but there are some villains who deserve to take center stage. I think...

16th August 2006 19:38  #38

Adrian Senior Member Join Date: September 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1,305
Cheddar J. Cheese wrote: He's too young, I don't really like that idea... I'd prefer Josh Lucas and I really don't want him to be Two-Face either.

I find that kind of funny since Ryan is less than 3 years younger than Lucas.  Ryan is 32 and that's a pretty good age for a local politician.

16th August 2006 22:12  #39

Cheddar J. Cheese Member Join Date: October 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,492
My apologies for not knowing exactly how old the actors are. All I can tell is that Phillippe doesn't have the right kind of face, Lucas does. So if it came down to the two of them, my hopes would be on Josh Lucas, he looks older and seems like he can pull it off nicely. Although I still wish they'd consider Liev Schreiber.

17th August 2006 6:42  #40

Jersey Jedi Member Join Date: August 2004 Location: United States Posts: 714
I don't trust IMDb at all for "inside information", but I've been hearing about Phillippe everywhere, so it is possible.

However, I'm still pulling for Guy Pierce. He was PERFECT in Nolan's masterpiece 'Memento' and I'd love to see them team up again.

17th August 2006 16:53  #41

Stephen Etherton Member Join Date: October 2003 Location: United States Posts: 706
I'd rather see Mrs. Ryan Phillippe (Reese Witherspoon) play the part of a female Harvina Dent than him.  At least I would also be upset if she got all scared up like that.  

The first movie was a dream cast, and I supported the idea of Heath Ledger to play the Joker, but now I am starting to worry, but if it happens, I still think Nolan made the best Batman movie ever, so I will keep trying to give him the benifit of the doubt... so far.

17th August 2006 21:28  #42

Cheddar J. Cheese Member Join Date: October 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,492
Guy Pierce as Two Face... I dunno, he can for sure do the dual personality thing, and he has worked with Nolan before. He might not be such a bad idea.

I will still keep giving the benefit of the doubt to Nolan.

And please, people, no more "Broke-Bat Mountain" jokes. I'm really tired of hearing the same bad joke over and over. And don't take this as an oppurtunity to spam up the thread with them just to "defy me". Please. Thank you.

21st August 2006 19:17  #43

Cheddar J. Cheese Member Join Date: October 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,492
I guess Phillippe really WAS just a rumour. Thankfully...

27th August 2006 0:56  #44

Cheddar J. Cheese Member Join Date: October 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,492
What do you think the Joker's origins will be in this version?

Will it be all "Killing Joke" or something new?

I want it to be like this: he was an inmate at Arkham and swam through the water to escape, but the chemicals made him become the Clown Prince of Crime.

31st August 2006 5:50  #45

yankeemike81 Member Join Date: August 2006 Location: United States Posts: 190
Cheddar J. Cheese wrote: Trap Door wrote: Cheddar J. Cheese wrote:

Although it's extremely debatable, Ras is dead.


wat bout the rumor bout that they were considering doing raz aguls duaghter and wnated to get revenge on batman wans that talked about
For the second time Wink


Never died the first time... Unless you mean that Ducard wasn't Ra's at all and someone else is Ra's... But I think that was the last we saw of Ra's.

9th September 2006 20:58  #46

Cheddar J. Cheese Member Join Date: October 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,492
yankeemike81 wrote: Cheddar J. Cheese wrote: Trap Door wrote: Cheddar J. Cheese wrote:

Although it's extremely debatable, Ras is dead.


 
For the second time Wink


Never died the first time... Unless you mean that Ducard wasn't Ra's at all and someone else is Ra's... But I think that was the last we saw of Ra's.


wat bout the rumor bout that they were considering doing raz aguls duaghter and wnated to get revenge on batman wans that talked about


Still possible as a sidestory. Plus, he isn't actually dead as Trap Door pointed out.

9th September 2006 22:50  #47

Tigerclaw Member Join Date: November 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 493 Send a message via MSN to Tigerclaw
About Heath Ledger being the Joker; I wouldn't have thought he would be the choice, but it's obviously not going to be what Jack Nicholson did. It's going to be more nuanced and dark and more along the lines of a Clockwork Orange kind of feel. Which is, I think, what the comic book was after: less about his laugh and more about his eyes.

19th October 2006 4:57  #48

Cheddar J. Cheese Member Join Date: October 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,492
09-09-06 23:07  
I tried posting something EXACTLY like this a few hours ago, but it just edited into my last one...
Unless this is what you're responding to... It went a little like this:

Quotes from Wikipedia regarding Joker.
They say something like... "Ledger's performance will be nothing like Romero or Nicholson's performances, it will be Killing Joke"   I also mentioned Clockwork Orange, so that is really weird...

10-09-06 22:20
And now to add something constructive, and I apologise for whatever the Hell happened in the posting process yesterday:

They're saying that Ledger's performance will be nothing like Romero's or Nicholson's and will be based on The Killing Joke...

Last time I checked, Burton's Joker was basically Killing Joke but without the wife...

I think that if they go the whole Clockwork Batman thing (which would be brilliant and just plain awesome if they did) it would be a much darker Batman (more than Returns, and that was pretty dark) and just overall great. The Joker might not have a permanent smile... It'd be great if like, the whole time he has a straight face, but when you see that smile, you know bad stuff is about to go down.

(It happened again... Is there a glitch in the system?)

24-09-2006 3:19

New rumour discussion time!

Nicolas Cage as Harvey Dent/Two Face.

What do you all think? Personally, I believe he could do it well. But I can't picture him fitting into that Gotham. But still, rather him or Guy Pearce (who I think should definitely be Dent (who he played in Begins (scenes cut))) than Ryan Phillippe.

19-10-2006 4:56
Anybody?

19th October 2006 14:27  #49

Mal Webmaster Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,290
Hmm that's a bug, they should merge posts together but it should also update the date. Will work on fixing that.

20th October 2006 14:35  #50

Stephen Etherton Member Join Date: October 2003 Location: United States Posts: 706
Tim Burton's origin of the Joker was not lifted from The Killing Joke.  They are similar, but that is because they both have the seeds of creation from Detective Comics #168 (February 1951) which revealed that he had been a criminal known as the Red Hood. While fleeing from Batman, the Red Hood fell into a vat of chemicals, from which he emerged with white skin, green hair, and a bizarre grin.  His real name has never been named in the comics.  
TwoFace done right will be just as interesting as the Joker, but I would like to see Dent in Part 2, and him go all TwoFace in part three (maybe Joker can damage him late in Part 2?)
Like I said before, I think Christopher Nolan created the best Batman movie, and at this point, I am willing to trust in all his casting choices and story direction, and sit back and enjoy.

27th October 2006 17:10  #51

Cheddar J. Cheese Member Join Date: October 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,492
Mal wrote: Hmm that's a bug, they should merge posts together but it should also update the date. Will work on fixing that.

To Mal:
Thanks, much appreciated.

To Stephen:
Right, he [Burton] was "inspired" by it. But the same basic outline is what I meant. Yeah, Dent should be scarred in "The Dark Knight Returns" during the Joker's trial. And then have it go from there.

Liev Schreiber is very unlikely now for Dent. He is going to be on CSI starting in January.

That's a shame, because out of all the contenders, he seemed to fit the role well. I really don't want Josh Lucas to be Harvey/Two-Face, but if Nolan chooses him, then we at least know there's a good reason.

12th November 2006 15:46  #52

Tigerclaw Member Join Date: November 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 493 Send a message via MSN to Tigerclaw
about the joker, it will be base on the novel "The Killing Joke" by Alan Moore

22nd November 2006 4:58  #53

Cheddar J. Cheese Member Join Date: October 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,492
Right, but I'm pretty sure, aside from wife, Red Hood, etc., Nicholson/Burton's Joker's origin is essentially The Killing Joke.

For me, I said it before, it'd be good if he was already insane and just got the added bonus of being "painted" like a clown.

Release: July 18th, 2008

22nd November 2006 17:06  #54

Simon Waine Member Join Date: July 2004 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 37
[quote=Cheddar J. Cheese wrote
Liev Schreiber is very unlikely now for Dent. He is going to be on CSI starting in January.

That's a shame, because out of all the contenders, he seemed to fit the role well. I really don't want Josh Lucas to be Harvey/Two-Face, but if Nolan chooses him, then we at least know there's a good reason.[/quote]

I'm sure i've heard rumours suggesting Ethan Hawke for the role of Harvey Dent / Two-Face!!!

19th December 2006 23:18  #55

Cheddar J. Cheese Member Join Date: October 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,492
That'd be interesting casting... Shouldn't they have someone chosen yet? We're almost a year away from release.

10th January 2007 3:47  #56

mkillin1441 Member Join Date: January 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 2
Ok, first of all isn't dent supposed to be around the same age as bruce? I think that Bale and Ryan Phillippe are around the same age so age shouldn't be a problem. I think Phillipe would be a good fit.

i have read the post here and alot of people are talking about when Dent will become Two Face and if you go to  http://www.batman-on-film.com/batmovies_beginss...
Goyer talks about how dent will become 2face in the third movie.

also I have read alot not jjust here but in other forums about of the should take the story line from "The Dark Knight Returns" by Frank Miller. This would make for a killer bat-filck, but batman is old in it and they can't just jump right into it.

Finaly I have read rumors of Jake Gyllenhaal playing dent. I like him as Dent because he is a great actor, but it would be like a Brokeback ruion and I think the comedic value of that would reck a serouis Batman movie.

10th January 2007 4:03  #57

Cheddar J. Cheese Member Join Date: October 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,492
Phillippe is a not a good choice, too boyish looking, same for Jake. Bale doesn't look the 35? years old he is, or maybe he does and they look younger, I dunno. They won't be Dent, I hope. Guy Pearce would be a good choice, plus with Nolan's using of the same actors in multiple films, this seems the more likely choice, I hope.

12th January 2007 20:10  #58

mkillin1441 Member Join Date: January 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 2
Has any one heard the new Dent rumors?Eion Bailey, Edward Norton, and...... Jamie Foxx. Yep, Jamie Foxx. I think that is a pretty sketchy chocie if they cast him.But from all this I have a new fav to play dent and that is Eion Bailey he looks the part. Don't know bout his acting havn't seen any thing with him in it.

16th February 2007 5:47  #59

Cheddar J. Cheese Member Join Date: October 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,492
I've heard one:

They have it down to 3 people-- Josh Lucas, Jamie Foxx and Edward Norton.

Whether they have narrowed it down at all or if it's these people, I do not know, but thought it was buzz-worthy.



So Katie Holmes is out... Now they want Rachel McAdams to replace her (same character). That is a horrible idea. One thing that really bothered me about the LAST Batman series was the ZERO continuity with the cast (Batman/Bruce Wayne, Harvey Dent). You say 'Well then just make her a new character'. Again, no continuity, in the last series, it was a new girl for every movie (James Bond lifestyle), I was really hoping this wouldn't be the case. Honestly, I didn't mind Holmes' performance, I think the character was poorly conceived from the get-go. What did she do? Get saved by Batman, give Gordon the antidote and tell the audience what Batman is all about (even though it was already made clear.) Bottom line: the character was overkill and unnecessary.  I'd be happy if she died (murdered by the Joker) in between the 2 films. No need for replacement and further makes the Joker the ultimate baddie.

Anyone agree/disagree?

UPDATE!!!


Aaron Eckhart has been cast as Dent/Two-Face.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117959570.htm...

And supposedly Maggie Gyllenhaal is the leading contender for Rachel Dawes.

16th February 2007 14:59  #60

Jersey Jedi Member Join Date: August 2004 Location: United States Posts: 714
Amazing choice. I'm VERY excited to see how this plays out.
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