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28th August 2006 17:35  #1

£ukasz D Member Join Date: August 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 859 Send a message via Skype to £ukasz D
The Departed...WHY O WHY !!!!
Can any one ask me why Hoolywod has to scru up every good foreign movie.?????
Why you blood american dircetors can't work something good out by yourself..why do you have to copy all the great foreign films and make s**ty productions of it ?????
I love oryginal "Infernal Affairs"..on of the best thrillers i'v seen in my life- great climat, dark, great acting....and i'm sad that once again Hoolywod is ruining great pice of Cinema....god-damn-u Scorsese !!!

28th August 2006 17:50  #2

BoBoi Member Join Date: June 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 1,109 Send a message via MSN to BoBoi Send a message via Yahoo to BoBoi
they are about to make the hell outa 'Wicker Man'...pity eh

Although I must admit that 'The Lake House' was to be live up to expectation, however still not as genuinely beautiful as 'Il Mare'...

28th August 2006 18:33  #3

Trap Door Member Join Date: January 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 250
Any other remake I would agree. But this is Scorsese, who has a bit more class then other film directors who remake a film scene for scene. Scorsese is just using the concept, it will be very different to the HK film.

BTW, if you watch other HK films, you'll know that Scorsese's films have been remade in HK and have been a heavy influence on most HK directors. So I think there's nothing wrong with him taking something back from all he has given.

28th August 2006 19:19  #4

£ukasz D Member Join Date: August 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 859 Send a message via Skype to £ukasz D
Trap Door wrote: Any other remake I would agree. But this is Scorsese, who has a bit more class then other film directors who remake a film scene for scene. Scorsese is just using the concept, it will be very different to the HK film.

BTW, if you watch other HK films, you'll know that Scorsese's films have been remade in HK and have been a heavy influence on most HK directors. So I think there's nothing wrong with him taking something back from all he has given.

Watch teh oryginal "Infernal Affairs" and than watch the trailler of "The Departed"..the similarity is more then obvious.
The same plot, the same main story line.....just maeking money out of the great film...which be the way for sure was much more under-rated that this Hoolywod one would be.

28th August 2006 19:49  #5

Gabe Powers Editor Join Date: September 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4,457 Send a message via ICQ to Gabe Powers
Why does everyone love Infernal Affairs so much? It was a fine little thriller, but what did it do to become such a classic in movie fan's eyes?

28th August 2006 20:07  #6

Trap Door Member Join Date: January 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 250
£ukasz D wrote: Trap Door wrote: Any other remake I would agree. But this is Scorsese, who has a bit more class then other film directors who remake a film scene for scene. Scorsese is just using the concept, it will be very different to the HK film.

BTW, if you watch other HK films, you'll know that Scorsese's films have been remade in HK and have been a heavy influence on most HK directors. So I think there's nothing wrong with him taking something back from all he has given.

Watch teh oryginal "Infernal Affairs" and than watch the trailler of "The Departed"..the similarity is more then obvious.


I have watched both. Here's a better idea for you, watch both films first before you start spewing how alike they are...

28th August 2006 20:24  #7

Cheddar J. Cheese Member Join Date: October 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,492
How is it? I've been waiting for this one for a very long time. And no, I haven't seen "Internal Affairs".

29th August 2006 0:44  #8

£ukasz D Member Join Date: August 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 859 Send a message via Skype to £ukasz D
Cheddar J. Cheese wrote: How is it? I've been waiting for this one for a very long time. And no, I haven't seen "Internal Affairs".
than see it you must...focused you must be while watching...satisfyed u'll be...Happy

29th August 2006 1:36  #9

Jersey Jedi Member Join Date: August 2004 Location: United States Posts: 714
No one in the history of cinema does gangster/crime drama better than Scorsese. If it was going to be remade (which was a complete given), there would be no director better suited to do so. Also, 99% of John Q. public has never hear of "IF" so, perhaps after seeing that one of the greatest american directors of all time liked the material so much he decided to adapt it himself, they might be more inclined to see the original.

29th August 2006 2:11  #10

Mal Webmaster Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,290
Am interested in seeing this film, although I am also a fan of the Infernal Affairs films; reason I like them is I enjoy films with interwoven stories that gradually reveal themselves, I also liked the way they integrated the handover of Hong Kong's sovereignty to China as well as it being set there of course. Hopefully this new one ends up being considerably different... am tired of seeing those scene-by-scene remakes.

29th August 2006 9:14  #11

Gabe Powers Editor Join Date: September 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4,457 Send a message via ICQ to Gabe Powers
I suppose I'm disappointed in Scorsese for making this film. It kind of feels like Steven Speilberg remaking Mac and Me, only not quite that hyperbolic.

I've thought about it and think that I'd recommend Hard Boiled instead of Infernal Affairs. They're pretty simular, and both star Anthony Wong.

29th August 2006 14:23  #12

Stephen Etherton Member Join Date: October 2003 Location: United States Posts: 706
Why?  The question is why?
We Americans are not creative anymore.  Hence all the remakes, sequels, prequals, tv-show-turned-movies, and games-turned-movies.  

I dont actually agree with my above statment, I personally have watched several movies and thought they should remake it to update it, and I love sequels, and good updates of tvshows...  I am thinking I am part of the establishment's problem of non-creativeness.  

29th August 2006 15:42  #13

Adrian Senior Member Join Date: September 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1,305
You know, I was going to start a thread about whether we have more tolerance for remakes if they are done with a quality cast and crew and use The Departed as an example.  On of the few really good remakes of recent memory is Ocean's Eleven, also with a good cast and crew.  I don't think remaking movies is necessarily an evil thing.  Let's face it.  There is a large portion of the population that will never see a subtitled movie because they don't want to read a movie.

29th August 2006 17:56  #14

£ukasz D Member Join Date: August 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 859 Send a message via Skype to £ukasz D
Adrian wrote:   Let's face it.  There is a large portion of the population that will never see a subtitled movie because they don't want to read a movie.
Thank You..i wanted to write this..but I was afraid that u'll bash me.

29th August 2006 19:46  #15

Gabe Powers Editor Join Date: September 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4,457 Send a message via ICQ to Gabe Powers
Well, there is something to be said for that. A viewer is pretty much guaranteed to miss out on the experience of a film while reading subtitles. Perhaps better dubbing, rather than multi-million dollar productions, is in order for the masses?

No, I don't prefer dubbed films.

29th August 2006 20:21  #16

Mal Webmaster Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,290
Gabe Powers wrote: Well, there is something to be said for that. A viewer is pretty much guaranteed to miss out on the experience of a film while reading subtitles. Perhaps better dubbing, rather than multi-million dollar productions, is in order for the masses?
I recently rented Night Watch and there were only two options - the default - of listening to the original Russian sountrack with English subtitles designed for deaf people, or listen to it dubbed in English with Russian accents.

I tried both, gave up on the subtitles within minutes because it kept describing the sound effect and I'm sure the lines relating to speech were shortened. I didn't like the dub either, it seemed to change the context of the film - giving it a more wacky feel. End result was, I only watched the first hour.

29th August 2006 20:43  #17

Gabe Powers Editor Join Date: September 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4,457 Send a message via ICQ to Gabe Powers
The US DVD has the cool subtitles and original Russian on the second side.

30th August 2006 14:48  #18

Trap Door Member Join Date: January 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 250
Gabe Powers wrote: Well, there is something to be said for that. A viewer is pretty much guaranteed to miss out on the experience of a film while reading subtitles.

I've watched Hundreds of Dubbed films, 4 this week alone. It hasn't effected my enjoyment of them. Dub films however, do.

"The Passion of the Christ" had subtitles and was a hugh success. Other Chinese movies such as Hero and House of Flying daggers were released and did quite well. There is clearly no need to dub or remake them.

Why I defend Scorsese is because he has said he is only taking the concept. The characters will be different. Nicholson's character is based on a real person. It's said to be a more complex film.

30th August 2006 15:05  #19

Adrian Senior Member Join Date: September 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1,305
Trap Door wrote: "The Passion of the Christ" had subtitles and was a hugh success. Other Chinese movies such as Hero and House of Flying daggers were released and did quite well. There is clearly no need to dub or remake them.

You can't really count Passion of the Christ as a subtitled movie.  It had a built in audience that knew the actual story and you could watch the movie without ever reading the subtitles.

Unfortunately a few subtitles movies that do well does not logically lead to the conclusion that there "is clearly no need to dub or remake them."  These movies are the exception and instead of the rule.  Hong Kong/Chinese action movies tend to do well as there is an audience for them.  Outside of that area, I can only think of one subtitled foreign film, "Amelie" that did well in the US.

Hollywood does seem to recognize good story telling from other parts of the world.  They take the ideas and remake them because they know that making a completely americanized version of the film will make more money despite the cost of making a second film than just releasing a subtitled feature.

30th August 2006 16:50  #20

Trap Door Member Join Date: January 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 250
Hollywood takes the other ideas that do well because they are too afraid to take a risk and try something different. They decide for the public. If subtitle movies were given the chance like the ones mentioned then there would be less remakes. But putting "Infernal affairs" on limited release in selected cinemas isn't giving people the choice or the chance to appreciate subbed films.

The idea of a subbed film is an automatic turn off for many because they've never watched a subbed movie before. If the general audience wasn't spoon fed so much then maybe they'd have a larger market for foreign movies like they do in other countries.

30th August 2006 20:20  #21

Gabe Powers Editor Join Date: September 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4,457 Send a message via ICQ to Gabe Powers
You only quoted a bit of my statement, and then assumed that you represent the general movie going public.

I don't like watching dubbed films either, and the general public is missing out on a great deal of fantastic films, but subtitles are distracting. I know that if I were a director or a DP who put hours into crafting a particular mise en scene I would be disappointed by the fact that the majority of my world audience would miss half my art because they were reading words at the bottom of the screen.

I'm not saying dubbing is preferable, but lets not pretend that subtitles aren't distracting.

I hate the glut of Hollywood remakes, and see Scorsese's involvement as a step back in creative storytelling.

31st August 2006 4:07  #22

GRZA Member Join Date: December 2005 Location: United States Posts: 89
Cause it worked for The Ring 2? Rolling Eyes

8th September 2006 21:44  #23

James Tully Member Join Date: October 2004 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 436
I am really looking forward to 'The Departed'. I have seen all 3 Infernal Affairs films. I dont think it is a step backwards or an atrocity.

just a chance to have a great film seen by a much bigger audience. If house of flying daggers or hero didnt do that well then they would have been re-made by now as well. luckily they did and were seen by a wide audience.

The re-make of the first ring was actually quite good.

I dont see why some people would get so annoyed about it.

6th October 2006 20:35  #24

Tigerclaw Member Join Date: November 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 493 Send a message via MSN to Tigerclaw
95% on rottentomatoes.com...   must be good

6th October 2006 20:42  #25

Mr.Badass Banned Join Date: April 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 539
It is, it's awesome, I saw it and a song in it called I'm Shipping Out to Boston is bloody brilliant, Jack Nicholson owned the film

7th October 2006 23:56  #26

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,113 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
I'll be seeing it on Kermode's recommendation, although I wasn't that blown away by the original IA.

*Edit*
Saw it tonight and thought it was very good, although I couldn't really join in with the shocked gasps at the end cause I knew what was coming.

8th October 2006 20:34  #27

Tigerclaw Member Join Date: November 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 493 Send a message via MSN to Tigerclaw
Martin Scorsese's The Departed debuted as the weekend's top movie with US$27 million at the box office.

It was a record opening for Scorsese, whose previous best was $10.3 million with 1991's "Cape Fear."

8th October 2006 23:21  #28

Jersey Jedi Member Join Date: August 2004 Location: United States Posts: 714
Tehehe... "Who the hell are you?" "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his f**kin job! You must be the other guy!" Classic.

8th October 2006 23:31  #29

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,113 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
Marky Mark did have all the best lines, although 'Arrec Bardwin' (to be said in a comedic Kim Jong-il accent) was a close second. Their interplay during the briefing was especially cool.

9th October 2006 1:37  #30

Jersey Jedi Member Join Date: August 2004 Location: United States Posts: 714
Definetly. The whole "smoking/heath nut" exchange was great.
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