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20th January 2006 23:20  #1

GRZA Member Join Date: December 2005 Location: United States Posts: 89
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This is kinda F'd up imho.  I'm lucky to know now since Ive been casually in the market for a new TV.  Seems like its just going to glut up the dvd market even more than its already becoming.  

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news06/060120j.php

ps-what is the first HD-DVD coming out in March?

20th January 2006 23:32  #2

Mal Webmaster Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,290
That's something Warner has been pushing to do for some time, the biggest problem is it's apparently illegal to reduce visual quality like this in Japan so they'll have to use a region system, which is something Warner has apparently been most vocally against.

21st January 2006 1:37  #3

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,111 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
Ah, Warner scum strike again. They do produce some of the nicest looking DVDs around at the moment, but boy, do they ever shaft the consumer (with rip-off RRPs and the like). I hope this fails miserably and costs them millions, the greedy b*****ds.

21st January 2006 4:38  #4

captmarvel Member Join Date: January 2006 Location: United States Posts: 101
If you don't buy, then it won't fly.

21st January 2006 5:06  #5

Jonny "Me You" Senior Member Join Date: March 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,863
That isnt new. We've known for months that you'll need an HDMI connection to watch the HD content. You'll also have to plug it into a phone line or to an internet network.

These formats are still born.

21st January 2006 5:23  #6

Aaron Schneiderman Senior Member Join Date: September 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1,198
If all that I have been reading is true, High Definition is gonna be a colossal failure. Now people are gonna have to replace their so-called HDTV sets that they recently forked out thousands of dollars to acquire. ROTF

21st January 2006 13:15  #7

Intergalactic Ponce Member Join Date: April 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,151
This is precisely why it has been better to wait. If your old TV has broken down over the last couple of years and you've forked out for a new LCD TV then chances are, unless you've paid a premium, you won't be able to watch HD as the TV you bought will not have the required HDMI inputs. As for connecting up to the phone line, I think it is also better to reserve judgement on this to see what actually transpires. I personally would like to think that common sense will prevail and that you won't have to connect up to unlock and watch a disc that you have just bought. Hopefully the whole connecting up to the internet thing will just be a requirement if you want to make a copy of said disc to another format. If it turns out to be fact that you have to hook up just to watch disc then yes, I think for majority of people, it will be a mark against the whole upgrading issue. How many phone/internet lines does a person need to have in the future. One for phone, one for broadband, one for Satellite/Cable and another one for your Blu-Ray/HD-DVD watching. It doesn't sound practical to me. As I said, I hope common sense will prevail and for everyone else who hasn't bought a new TV yet, make sure it is HD Ready and if possible, that it has at least 2 HDMI inputs.

21st January 2006 23:36  #8

Tony DeFrancisco Senior Member Join Date: July 2005 Location: United States Posts: 2,652
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GRZA wrote: ps-what is the first HD-DVD coming out in March?Warner's first HD-DVDs that are so far announced are to be released on March 28, and they are: Batman Begins, Constantine, Million Dollar Baby, Phantom of the Opera, and Twister. Universal's first HD-DVDs (that a release date is TBA)are: The 40-Year-Old Virgin, Jarhead, Doom, Cinderella Man, Apollo 13, Serenity, The Chronicles of Ridd**k, U-571, Van Helsing and The Bourne Supremacy. That was all to be announced so far.

22nd January 2006 12:24  #9

dbeamish Contributor Join Date: August 2002 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 511
Jonny "Me You" wrote: That isnt new. We've known for months that you'll need an HDMI connection to watch the HD content. You'll also have to plug it into a phone line or to an internet network.

These formats are still born.


The phone line bit is only a potential feature of blue ray.. I'm pretty sure its nothingto do with HD-DVD.

23rd January 2006 0:38  #10

Adrian Senior Member Join Date: September 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1,305
I have a couple questions:

1) Can't you convert HDMI to DVI?  And if so (there appears to be converters available) do you lose resolution?

2)  How long before someone makes a connector, whether legal or not, that can be used on a HDMI connection to fool it to think it is talking to a HDMI set?

23rd January 2006 0:59  #11

Adrian Senior Member Join Date: September 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1,305
Actually, I already answered my own question:

I wonder if they know about this REMOVED.

23rd January 2006 1:08  #12

Mal Webmaster Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,290
Sorry to remove that Adrian, but we have to be very careful about what gets mentioned in relation to copyright circumnavigation.

23rd January 2006 1:19  #13

Adrian Senior Member Join Date: September 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1,305
Oops.....didn't even think Mal.  Sorry about that.

I do have to wonder how this "content protection" would hold up in court.  It seems like is preventing people from what would be considered reasonable use of the protect (watching it in its intended format).  Seems like prior restraint, but then again I am not a lawyer.

23rd January 2006 1:44  #14

Mal Webmaster Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,290
Law is on the side of the industry, especially in the last few years with new laws introduced in both the US, and to a lesser degree in the EU. Like when Jon Lech Johansen broke CSS on DVD for Linux, the news websites were unable to even link to his website in fear that they would fall foul of these same laws.

Only time it has gone the other way is when they go way too far like with Sony and their virus-like copy protection system on CDs. We are starting to get consumer rights groups complaining about stuff like AACS but it's practically too late for these new formats.

23rd January 2006 1:50  #15

Adrian Senior Member Join Date: September 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1,305
To me it seems like there is a conflict of interest, especially for a company like Sony which produces both the software and the hardware.  What you bought one of our older TVs, well you have to fork out another $4000 for a new TV to watch our new software.  To me there is a problem with that.

Normally, I side with the copyright holders.  Piracy is a huge issue for anyone who makes money off IP (intellectual property.)  However, this is just stupid.  One, there doesn't exist a current machine under $10k that can record raw HD video.  Two, most of the people with HD sets will not be able to get any meaninful upgrade from going to HD DVD.

Seems like a format that is destined to die a slow death.  I was actually considering getting an HD-DVD player since they aren't all that expensive.  I won't be if the DVDs won't be any better for me than current DVDs.

It seems to me that they would have to provide some legal way for existing HD TV owners to watch HD-DVDs in 1080i.

23rd January 2006 14:27  #16

Worst Nightmare Senior Member Join Date: July 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 6,706 Send a message via AIM to Worst Nightmare Send a message via ICQ to Worst Nightmare Send a message via MSN to Worst Nightmare Send a message via Yahoo to Worst Nightmare Send a message via Google to Worst Nightmare
Aaron Schneiderman wrote: If all that I have been reading is true, High Definition is gonna be a colossal failure. Now people are gonna have to replace their so-called HDTV sets that they recently forked out thousands of dollars to acquire. ROTFAs a consumer, you really have to research what you buy and really check the specs of the display you want to buy. Down under, I have seen many adds for tv's which claim to be "HD ready" but only display at 852x480 - that's even less than a standard PAL transmission!
You can only future proof your equipment only so far...

24th January 2006 21:39  #17

Arellium Member Join Date: January 2006 Location: United States Posts: 136
I'm still confused about this 'ICT' thing or whatever. Only these Hi-def DVD's lose resolution on none hi-def tvs?

24th January 2006 23:40  #18

Mal Webmaster Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,290
It only concerns high definition displays that don't use the required HDMI - copyright protected - connection. Normal TVs are unaffected because they don't use the HD resolutions anyway.

It's there to prevent people getting perfect high definition signals from players and then, for example, sharing the material on the internet. Instead it'll be like sharing DVD quality.

I wonder what's going to happen with software like PowerDVD, like will there have to be HDMI connected monitors in order to display these special DVDs at the standard HD resolution?

25th January 2006 3:11  #19

Jonny "Me You" Senior Member Join Date: March 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,863
It's official now. To watch the next-gen players in HD you WILL need to connect via HDMI.

More here

Between this and the phone jack thing, who's gonna buy these ridiculous formats? lol Confused


dbeamish wrote:
The phone line bit is only a potential feature of blue ray.. I'm pretty sure its nothingto do with HD-DVD.


Since that's the format of the two that's likely to be more popular, it's pretty relevant.

25th January 2006 3:21  #20

Arellium Member Join Date: January 2006 Location: United States Posts: 136
Why do you need to connect to a phone jack again?

25th January 2006 3:44  #21

Mal Webmaster Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,290
Arellium wrote: Why do you need to connect to a phone jack again?
Basically the problem with DVD's encryption system (from the studio point of view) is once it is cracked it is useless, well it was reverse engineered (cracked) some years ago.

This new phone based system is basically a way of having an encryption system that's dynamic like with digital cable or satellite services, it calls up to check your disc is valid and make sure the encryption is up-to-date. Probably gathers information about you too.

This is separate to AACS, which is designed to control player manufacturers - so if they do something that the studios dislike such as allow people to skip something that's supposed to be unskipable, then the studios can produce titles that don't work on that model. And as above, also handles copyright stuff.

25th January 2006 3:52  #22

Arellium Member Join Date: January 2006 Location: United States Posts: 136
Oh. I get it now.

25th January 2006 10:28  #23

Jaybee79 Member Join Date: December 2004 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 84
All of these things seem to indicate the strong fact the High Def DVDs are not going to ever become a main stream format, at least not for a very long time. Early adopters are likely to be quite alienated by this. It maybe a struggle for either of the two formats to successfully take off.

25th January 2006 12:16  #24

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,111 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
Quote: Supporters of Image Constraint argue that few consumers will be able to tell the difference between down-converted analog and high-def.

Yes, let's treat the consumers like morons... If this is true, why should anyone bother with buying high-def in the first place? F**king muppets...

25th January 2006 16:31  #25

Adrian Senior Member Join Date: September 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1,305
Chris wrote: Quote: Supporters of Image Constraint argue that few consumers will be able to tell the difference between down-converted analog and high-def.

Yes, let's treat the consumers like morons... If this is true, why should anyone bother with buying high-def in the first place? F**king muppets...


Too bad they can't make books that when not viewed through special HMI glasses have smaller print which the consumer will not notice either.

28th January 2006 5:04  #26

Keith Member Join Date: June 2005 Location: United States Posts: 221
Whatever the rich decide to buy that year, that will be the standard.  I've actually lost interest in the hd market all together.  I love my DVD collection and will not give it up if they pry it from my dead, cold, hands.  I'm leaving the selection of movies to my cable company on INHD or other.  Do you know the future of internet?  Laser transmission at terrabyte per second (TBPS). Beam it in Scotty!

29th January 2006 15:35  #27

Adrian Senior Member Join Date: September 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1,305
Keith wrote: Whatever the rich decide to buy that year, that will be the standard.  

Actuallly, that's probably not accurate.  I've heard the porn industry is leaning toward Bluray because of capacity (of course, I've heard BlueRay has overstated their capacity).  The porn industry may very well decide which standard wins.

9th February 2006 7:26  #28

Keith Member Join Date: June 2005 Location: United States Posts: 221
Adrian wrote: Keith wrote: Whatever the rich decide to buy that year, that will be the standard.  

Actually, that's probably not accurate.  I've heard the porn industry is leaning toward Bluray because of capacity (of course, I've heard BlueRay has overstated their capacity).  The porn industry may very well decide which standard wins.


Aren't they considered among the rich?  Let's take it up to the next level of who has the most money to burn Happy  I'm talking standard editions, double, extended, directors' cuts.  Who will step up to the plate? The porm industry will NOT rule.  Sorry to kill your addiction Tongue

9th February 2006 8:05  #29

rob murray Member Join Date: November 2004 Location: United States Posts: 477
I have HDMI so its not a big issue, but I do get f**ked do to the fact that theres only one port on the back of my TV sooooo when the PS3 comes out I up a creek

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