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I was speaking collectively. There are a lot of early reviews for films in R1 that don't even get check discs in R2. It seems to be much harder to convince them to supply discs. There were none for the Star Wars trilogy, yet R1 sites covered it well in advance of release.

Have these people never heard of the Internet? If it's copied in one region it'll be in another within a few hours.
Wait? We get R1 check discs? I bet someone already laid claim to that, huh?
True to form, I just heard from Fox's PR company that there will be no check discs for the region two release of ROTS. Fox's reasons? 'Piracy concerns'. What a load of bollocks.

Region one reviewers will still get check discs, so what's to stop them ripping it and spreading it around the Internet? In fact, it'll probably be leaked from Fox/Lucasfilm before then anyway - look at what happened with the trilogy boxed set.
I think McDiarmid has stated that his interpretation of things is that it is Palpatine's 'real' face, and that the kindly Chancellor was just a mask.
Yeah, the Gob kick was not something he should've allowed. I think that changing the scene was good for Anikan's character, but ultimately confusing for Palp's. Interesting that they didn't just reshoot it. I guess that all goes along with Lucas' hatred of actually being on set.

What did you think about the scarring/melting face? I was under the impression that he simply used the fight as an excuse to drop his facade, I'm pretty sure he was always old and ugly.

I guess the reason it's not clear is because they just used a fair portion of the footage from the original duel in which it was clear that Palpatine threw the fight (because Anakin was actually there, watching him). In the new version it's obvious that he still has a lot of power, but less obvious why he let Windu kick him in the gob and almost cleave him in two.
Actually, I re-read and I misquoted, kind of. It was under Windu's profile that it mentions the only Jedis to defeat him in lightsaber combat were Dukoo and Yoda, so I guessed that made Dukoo number three, not counting the ever improving Vader.

I like the way the scene plays out in the movie, it makes Anikan's choice slightly more beleivable. I wish that Lucas would've made Palp's true intent slightly more clear, but I think the second he reveals that he still had plenty of power to blow Windu out the window it's pretty clear that he was faking for Anikan's benifit.

I really like the stereo effects on Sidius' voice as he uses every ounce of his dark side influence on Anikan.
That whole Sidious/Windu thing bugged me. Apparently the reason that it looks like Mace beat him in the duel is that originally Anakin was present the whole time, so it made sense for Palpatine to let Mace get the better of him. In the film as it is, Palpatine just appears lucky that Anakin walked in when he did. Originally he fought with Anakin's blade, which is why he appears to have two lightsabers. They used CGI to cover up Anakin's saber the best they could. All of this is from a web chat with Pablo Helman.

Where on the official site does it mention the strongest lightsaber duellists? Oh, and I agree, the Dooku scene was waaaay too short considering how easily he beat them before. It also makes no sense that Dooku can kick Obi-Wan's arse, but Anakin - who kills Dooku - then goes on to lose a duel to him...
High five Chris, I agree 85%.  If only Lucas would've found a role for Donald Plesance and Barbara Steele, it could've been an allstar Hammer reunion. I'll just pretend they were Boba Fett and Bib Fortuna respectively.

And thank you for not spelling 'owned' with a 'p'. That's getting old. Now that I think about it, that was my biggest problem with ROTS, according to the official website, Dukoo is suppose to be the third strongest dueler in the galaxy, behind Yoda and Sidious. It should've taken Anikan a little more effort to kill him, especially since I don't think he was throwing the fight like Sidious was against Windu.
He was nowhere near as bad as Christensen, and at least his character showed some development over the three films. Anakin goes from annoying little boy, to annoying, sulky teenager, to annoying, sulky, petulant, brooding twenty-something...

As for Dracula... Well, the originals had Van Helsing Wink There's no point in defending the prequels to me anyway. I'm never going to think that they're great cinema. I don't really think that the originals are great cinema (except for Empire), but they have lot more charm than the prequels.
I don't know Chris...Hamill was pretty bad...
Other than honestly loving the hell out of the Sidious performance, I agree with you man. The prequels did have one very important thing that the originals didn't...Dracula!!

It's funny, I often feel I'm defending the prequels to you, but in the end our final scores are roughly the same.
I thought he was good as Palpatine, but waaaay over the top as Sidious. I watched it again last night though, and I have to say it was better the fourth time. As with TPM and AOTC I am able to look past the bits I didn't like and just enjoy the bits I did. It's still massively flawed as a piece of credible cinema, but as silly entertainment it's not half bad.

I still don't put any of the prequels in the same league as the original films, because they are just so much more human. I know the acting isn't Oscar-worthy, but it's far more believable from virtually every member of the cast.

Hammill is much better than Christensen. Fisher is better than Portman. Billy-Dee Williams is better than Sam Jackson. Guinness is better than McGregor. McDiarmid is better than himself Wink Yoda's vocal performance is much better in the OT. We also have Han to mix things up.

I'm never gonna see them as one big story. They are separate entities made decades apart - how could the new films capture the spirit of the old ones? The reason for their failings came to me the other night while listening to Lucas on one of the commentary tracks. He kept going on about how everything had to further the plot. Well in the OT that was pretty much true, but in the SEs and prequels there is far too much eye-candy that does nothing to further anything (the new Mos Eisley, CGI Jabba, the Jedi Rocks song, all of the dumb droid comedy moments etc.).

Nowadays Lucas seems to be so caught up in telling 'his' story that he doesn't care how well it's told. He thinks that if it's on the page it should just translate to the screen if he throws enough money and CGI at it - actors be dammed. And yes, I've also read Christensen's comments about Lucas choosing to use what he considered to be his worst takes of certain scenes. These comments related to AOTC, but at the end of ROTS his intonations and emphasis on certain words is all wrong. The same goes for McGregor and the others (although to a lesser extent).

Watching the films as objectively as I can I would probably now rate them something like this in their current incarnations:

TPM - 5/10
AOTC - 6/10
ROTS - 7/10
ANH - 8/10 (used to be 9/10 before all the useless bits added from the SE onwards)
TESB - 9/10 (not only my favourite SW movie, but one of my favourites films full stop)
ROTJ - 7/10 (used to be 8/10 before all the CGI crap)
You really can't blame the actors, it's really all about Lucas' direction and the takes he picks. He wants either wooden or over the top, not good. It's all part of his "pretending these movies were made in the 1930's" thing. Personally I though Ian McD was great as Palpitine.
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I wasn't overly thrilled.  Of course I was disappointed with the theatre sound.  That wasn't a good start for me to enjoy it anyway.  The acting was a little better than the last one, but way off par for a George Lucas movie imo.  Can't he get good actors anymore?  I guess he has lowered his standards.
sound
Well I guess the sound was half broke.  To bad I didn't make it to another theater.  Thats 3/4 of this movie...the rest is something called acting.
Actually, the pre-rebelion surgery-bots kind of sucked...
It was the midichlorians Wink
Well...you see...The Force works in mysterious ways...
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Mistake in Star Wars III
In Star Wars Episode II, in the fight between Anakin/Obi-Wan and Count Dooku, Anakin's arm is cut off well above the elbow. The first time we see the arm in Star Wars III, in the apartment of Anakin and Padme, the mechanical arm ends just under the elbow, meaning his elbow must have somehow grown back...
supposedly its going to be all six movies in a box in 2007

edit: of course i didnt read the previous page before posting
I hope not, because then I'd have to buy them again. I'm sure the "definitive" versions will come out in 2007 for the 30th anniversary.
I'm pretty sure those will just be the versions already available in a neat little box. I don't think these will have any new features.
November 1st is the day
plus a I-VI Box Set

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and what aboutepisodes 7, 8 & 9. After all, this is meant to be a series f 9 stories.
Quote: Originally posted by Danny Boy
I heard that they (not sure if it's Lucas himself) want to do a prequel of the episode 1.  I think that's too much prequel.  Instead of going backwards, they should go forwards in the future.



thats something that he was asked about a KOTOR era film and he said that he would never rule it out. theforce.net has more info on it
Those shows are definate and should happen by 2007. Casting is apparently already underway for the live action one.
And what about the tv show Lucas has planned?
Quote: Originally posted by Danny Boy
Jonny, I add to look twice before reading, your sig are very distractingHappy


lol....obviously based on that broken english you just wrote Wink

Back by popular demand, the Jessica Alba sig - new and improved! Which translated means a batch of hot new pics just came out. Can you believe she has 2 more movies coming out this year? Very Happy
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Jonny, I had to look twice before reading, your sig is very distractingHappy
Quote: Originally posted by Danny Boy
I heard that they (not sure if it's Lucas himself) want to do a prequel of the episode 1.  I think that's too much prequel.  Instead of going backwards, they should go forwards in the future.


I've heard that only on some Canadian shows that are just bottom feeders for internet sites and direct entertainment sources anyhow. They probably just picked up a rumor from some site and went with it. Often half the stuff that shows like eTalk Daily reports turns out to be wrong. Don't even get me started on how little their cast know about anything.
Quote: Oh, and as an after thought, I wonder if they will release an un-rated cut as I have heard that this print was toned down.....

Check out the Star Wars changes on here it will show you what was toned down, which was mainly the laser impact on some of the guards.
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I heard that they (not sure if it's Lucas himself) want to do a prequel of the episode 1.  I think that's too much prequel.  Instead of going backwards, they should go forwards in the future.
Oh, and as an after thought, I wonder if they will release an un-rated cut as I have heard that this print was toned down.....
The original one is my favourite - although I did see it first when I was 7 and innocent(was I ever innocent??)
We only owned two movies when I was little, Empire and Ghostbusters, so those are the two films I watched. Jedi holds a special place in my heart for two reasons: 1. I didn't own it and only watched it when it was on TV, and 2. I was old enough to actually see it in theaters, unlike Empire, which came out a month before I was even born.

As an adult, I recognize that Empire really is the best of the films, and honestly think that (how to word this?...)it set the bar for the rest of the Star Wars movies too...high brow? The other movies tend to stick to Lucas' original design. It often makes me wish that someday Lucas would just re-shoot Empire himself, leaving his fans the superior original, while maintaining his original vision. Does this make sense?
Return of the Jedi still holds the biggest place in my heart. i just like it better than Empire
Like Chris Said, Empire is the best paced of all of the films and it is the best acted of the bunch. It also has the best dialogue, musical score, and sprinkles just the right amounts of action, drama, romance and definitely humor--especially the black humor from Vader or the banter between Han Solo and Leia and C3PO. I love all of the films, but Empire is just a notch above the rest in every category...and I have felt that way for several years, long before I even first heard of Kevin Smith.
Quote: Originally posted by floyd dylan
The only reason these so called fans bitch about ROTJ is because of Kevin Smith, so you have a decade of students and young people who think they're intellectual because they've just seen a black and white movie, and think Empire was better, when in fact it was good, but apart from the Hoth battle and the revelation of Darth the rest of the movie lacked the excitement of IV and VI.


Or you could, indeed, be totally wrong. When something is popular it doesn't always discount it from being the best. Empire is well paced, well acted (for Star Wars) and has decent effects. It's a character driven affair, and as such whips the prequels. Jedi is a good film, but it doesn't hang together as well as Empire. Whether this is due to the directorial differences and rehashed plot, who knows. All I know is that Empire appears in most people's favourites list time and time again for a reason. It's not just good sci-fi, it's good cinema.
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Quote: I want my lamp back! I'm gonna need it to get out of this slimy mudhole!
Quote: Mudhole? Slimy? My home this is!
I'm surprised no one has done a phantom edit on Reloaded and Revolutions where they cut the both films together and cut all the boring shite out.

Besides here's my view on Empire is better than Jedi.

The only reason these so called fans bitch about ROTJ is because of Kevin Smith, so you have a decade of students and young people who think they're intellectual because they've just seen a black and white movie, and think Empire was better, when in fact it was good, but apart from the Hoth battle and the revelation of Darth the rest of the movie lacked the excitement of IV and VI.
and incase there weren't enough commas in the last post, here's a few more : ,,,,,,,,,
You know, when Reloaded came out, I felt totally ripped off by it, but upon further veiwings, I've realized it was actually very good. I just think the first 40 min are wasted, but once Neo meets up with the Oracle and she gives him the lowdown, it's actually a  pretty fantastic movie.
Well the middle part of a trilogy is often the most interesting (Matrix Reloaded, at least for me).

Not the comfy chair!
Not because it was bad, but because it was so good and ultimately doesn't fit the same mold as the rest of the films. Think about it.
Quote: Originally posted by Gabriel Powers
I'm beginning to think Empire ruined Star Wars.

Shocked
Blasphemy...alert The Spanish Inquisition!
Gabe, you're mental.
I'm beginning to think Empire ruined Star Wars.
Christ, a Floyd post without 'Star Wars sucks' in it! Although I'd actually agree with you this time mate. Havig said that, I'm sure it will grow on me with repeated viewings as the other two did. To be honst, it's hard to be blown away by a sci-fi/fantasy film after the near-perfect Empire Strikes Back.
Alot of the trailers from the 80s had a tendancy to show the ending of the movie.
i liked the old trailers where all they showed were stills
The worst trailer for giving stuff away in space was for Star Trek III. The surprise ending was that they destroyed the original Enterprise, and they gave it away in the frickin trailer almost in its entirety.

The first time I saw it I said to myself that its a good thing I wasnt watching movies then or I woulda been pissed...hehehe
I guess I'm confusing the films, I'll rewatch them this weekend. Confused
Quote: Originally posted by Jeff Shute
I was just watching an old trailer for Return of the Jedi and I was shocked that they had a clip of Luke saying, "Is Darth Vader really my father?".  I'm glad I wasn't alive then because that would've pissed me off if they gave that away.  I haven't seen the original trilogy in a few years, so if there is some plot element that would make that not shocking please don't harass me.


yeah but that was revealed in Empire which came out 4 years earlier. most people knew by then
I saw the trailer at Videodetective.com
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That's an interesting point you're telling. because trailers have changes a lot over the years.
I was just watching an old trailer for Return of the Jedi and I was shocked that they had a clip of Luke saying, "Is Darth Vader really my father?".  I'm glad I wasn't alive then because that would've pissed me off if they gave that away.  I haven't seen the original trilogy in a few years, so if there is some plot element that would make that not shocking please don't harass me.
Quote: Originally posted by Matt Joseph
Quote: Originally posted by rob murray
Actually, when they have big releases in November its always on the 15th, its the anniversary of the launch of Xbox. Xbox Live opened 1 year later then Halo 2 was releases 2 after that. 11/15 is a big day to MS.


Okay...but what does anything Microsoft releases have to do with the release of Star Wars Episode III to DVD?


im saying itd be one hell of a day to be a nerd
Quote: Originally posted by rob murray
Actually, when they have big releases in November its always on the 15th, its the anniversary of the launch of Xbox. Xbox Live opened 1 year later then Halo 2 was releases 2 after that. 11/15 is a big day to MS.[/b]


Actually Halo 2 was released November 9th not the 15th.

I saw Episode III yesterday and loved it. I think it was the second best one out of them all. Empire being the best.
I just hope PS3 isnt the price they think it's going to be. I don't remember specifically in US money, but it translated to around $700 canadian after tax, with games running $101 each after tax.

At that price, forget it. Star Wars games would be insane for it though.
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PS3 is also interesting

PS3 will have Samsung 512Mb XDR DRAM.  It can transmit data with up to 9.6 GigaBytes per second, 12 times faster than DDR400 memory and 6 times faster than leading RDRAM (PC 800) devices
Beats me. The Sith DVD is gonna be cheaper, thats for sure.

XBOX 360 is said to go for $299 for the basic unit, and $360 for the one with the hard drive, remote, etc...
Quote: Originally posted by rob murray
Actually, when they have big releases in November its always on the 15th, its the anniversary of the launch of Xbox. Xbox Live opened 1 year later then Halo 2 was releases 2 after that. 11/15 is a big day to MS.


Okay...but what does anything Microsoft releases have to do with the release of Star Wars Episode III to DVD?
Quote: Originally posted by Jonny "Me You"
Quote: Originally posted by rob murray
Johnny can you link me to that screenplay, id appreciate it


Well, its not a standard free text file or anything. It's an ebook. The good news is, as you can see its not that much. That's how I got it.


cool, 5 bucks for 2 ebooks is a good price
Quote: Originally posted by Matt Joseph
Quote: Originally posted by rob murray
That would be extremely interesting id that happens because that is the targeted release date for Xbox 360 as well

Or it could just be a coincidence seeing as the time right around Thanksgiving is the busiest shopping period of the year and a lot of things get released around that time.


Actually, when they have big releases in November its always on the 15th, its the anniversary of the launch of Xbox. Xbox Live opened 1 year later then Halo 2 was releases 2 after that. 11/15 is a big day to MS.
Oh good, even earlier!
According to many other sources, it's 8th November, 2005.

The most updated release dates for movies on dvd's is www.videoeta.com
Quote: Originally posted by rob murray
That would be extremely interesting id that happens because that is the targeted release date for Xbox 360 as well

Or it could just be a coincidence seeing as the time right around Thanksgiving is the busiest shopping period of the year and a lot of things get released around that time.
Quote: Originally posted by rob murray
Johnny can you link me to that screenplay, id appreciate it


Well, its not a standard free text file or anything. It's an ebook. The good news is, as you can see its not that much. That's how I got it.
I didn't go see it. Instead I went to go see "Crash" which was a great movie that is sadly going to be overlooked because of movies like Star Wars Episode III. Don't get me wrong, I like Star Wars and I wanted to go see this last part but I rather wait until it hits DVD so that I can buy that ultimate box set that is bound to come out.
Quote: Originally posted by Cheddar J. Cheese
Oh, and if this movie follows the release pattern of the last, the DVD should come out November 15th (don't kill me if it's wrong, it's just a guess)


That would be extremely interesting id that happens because that is the targeted release date for Xbox 360 as well
Johnny can you link me to that screenplay, id appreciate it
I was just reading through the screenplay and there are some interesting scenes that we're cut out that will likely end up on the dvd. I actually heard that if you saw the movie projected digitally you got to see a lot of them integrated into the movie. I bet thats the cut that ends up on disc.

Spoiler The scenes include actually seeing 3P0 take padme onto the ship

yoda arriving at degobah

yoda talking with quigon


and a few more
Going To See It Right Now.Cool

I saw it and it was SOOO much better than I expected.  I expected Lucas to screw it up but it was really good.  I thought he tried a little too hard to be funny and the dialoge during the opening scene with Ewan McGregor was pure crap.  It was so cheesy, but those are my only two complaints.
Oh, and if this movie follows the release pattern of the last, the DVD should come out November 15th (don't kill me if it's wrong, it's just a guess)
I'm assuming everyone reading this thread has ALREADY SEEN IT....but there will no doubt be a few who haven't, so...
You got the WWII analogy bang on. That's exactly why it's all like that.
Best movie I've seen this year, best of the prequels and I think it's third to "Empire" and then "Hope". The Spoiler  'Order 66' scene was brilliant, so well done.
Yoda was great Spoiler  (he enters Palpatine's office, guards come, he looks at them and they bang into the wall Laugh )
All in all, great movie, yes the dialogue is cheesy and the acting is a bit hammy, but it doesn't matter, this one has a plot that when SFX are used, they progress it(Spoiler  Darth Vader's injuries ) And it's just a great movie (I know, I'm repeating myself over and over).
My only 4 complaints: Spoiler  Dooku's role is too short (killed off 15 minutes in), Anakin's stupidity ("Hey, you're evil! I'm gonna tell" 15 minutes later "Don't kill him"..2 minutes later.."WHAT HAVE I DONE?!"...."I pledge allegiance to the Sith" ), Grievous' role was too short and the end scene should be Obi Wan walking into the sunrise going into hiding instead of the Aunt and Uncle looking into it holding Luke.
Well I'm done for now, great movie: 9.9999/10
Amazing, best one out of the new trilogy
Oh, like you never said that to the misses, Chris.

and Danny, the deterioration of the ships makes perfect sense. They Empire has exhusted it's budget in the war, and Palpitine is rather unconcerned with the elegance of his fleet, so long as they scare people and keep him in power. Most of the ships we see in the OT are rebelion ships that have been built or rebuilt from scrap. There is also the artistic resoning, where the time of the republic was a time when artistic expression and intergalatic design was important. Under a toltolitarian empire art loses most of it's meaning, which is why hitler burned books and everything in Nazi germany looked the same...my God I sound like an ass...I'll stop now.
“You’re so beautiful.”
“That’s only because I’m so in love.”
“No, it’s because I’m so in love with you.”

I rest my case Wink
I thought it was by far the best of the prequels, the original are still better but Lucas did achieve some more depth to the Vader character and there was a lot more impact as a result.
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The space ships (episode 1-3) are better looking than episode (4-6) which doesn't make sense.  That means technology is getting worse in the future.
Super duper.
What did you think of Star Wars Episode III?
So what did you all think then?