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1975: Dog Day Afternoon over One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
1976: Taxi Driver
It also did not have a nomination for best screenplay!  That last timw a movie won Best Picture without having its screenplay
nominated was "The Sound of Music"
The only odd thing about Titanic is that it was one of only a few Best Picture winners that did not garner a Best Actor or Best Actress win as well.  And I think we can all agree, it was no Ben-Hur.  Happy
Cheddar J. Cheese wrote:   I highly doubt any of you 10 years ago had anything bad to say about it, it's only now that it's "cool" to b***h and moan about it that you do.

stanton heck wrote:  However almost everyone at that moment in time had TITANIC FEVER

Thank you, I'm glad I'm not the only one who remembers 10 years back.
You have a point!  However almost everyone at that moment in time had TITANIC FEVER
Go back in time 10 years...  Who is Leonardo DiCaprio? Oh just some teen guy. Kate Winslet? Oh yeah, "Heavenly Creatures". Billy Who? (I know, "The Phantom", but still...). So yeah, a bunch of unknowns (with Kathy Bates and Victor Garber, and a few others, not a lot, Bill Paxton was barely in it, Gloria Stuart too, but this doesn't detract from their performances at all) I doubt the Academy would have picked it based on its cast. If they did/do choose their movies that way, then "L.A. Confidential" would've won. "Pulp Fiction" would've won.

So yeah...
Titanic Won it did have a huge cast!  
Adrian wrote: Cheddar J. Cheese wrote: And yeah, I really hate that "Chicago" is BP '02, although I haven't seen it, I would say "The Pianist" as well, "Gangs of New York" was a good movie, but it really lacked I found.



Really hard to judge a movie that you haven't seen.  Wink  (Do yourself a favor and sit down and watch it one night.)  Chicago was quite possibly the most perfectly staged musical that I have ever seen (and I'm not particularly fond of musicals as movies).


I know, I just haven't the time, I intend to watch "The Pianist" as soon as I have the time. (and just to clarify, I have seen "Chicago", it is "The Pianist" which I have yet to watch.)  I agree, when I saw "GoNY", I thought "Scorsese did THIS?". Far from his best work. It is very well done, but it could've been mounds better. I should probably watch that one again as well.

Annie Hall was a great movie, one of the all-time best films. BUT, I still think either "CE3K" or "SW-IV: ANH" should've tied with it.

Cheddar J. Cheese wrote: Yup, so no need to repeat yourself Wink

It bears repeating if people keep repeating that Star Wars was better.  Wink

Cheddar J. Cheese wrote: And yeah, I really hate that "Chicago" is BP '02, although I haven't seen it, I would say "The Pianist" as well, "Gangs of New York" was a good movie, but it really lacked I found.


Really hard to judge a movie that you haven't seen.  Wink  (Do yourself a favor and sit down and watch it one night.)  Chicago was quite possibly the most perfectly staged musical that I have ever seen (and I'm not particularly fond of musicals as movies).

I've never understood the love for The Pianist.  I was bored to tears by the movie.  I loved Gangs of New York, but it wasn't close to Scorsese's best work.
So then why didn't "L.A. Confidential" win? Kevin Spacey, Russel Crowe, James Cromwell, Kim Basinger, etc.  "Dreamgirls" will not win Best Picture, I even doubt it will get nominated. Eddie Murphy MAY get nominated for BSA. And "Crash"... Boy, there's a pressured win if I ever saw one. I liked it, but it wasn't BOOM! WOW! like everyone said it was. Although last year was a touchy one, so I won't hold it completly against them.

Oh and Stanton, there are questions made to you (by me mostly Tongue) on some of the Superman threads, they're usually the ones where I've posted last, just in case you missed them WinkHappy
Chicago won because Most of The Academy are actors/sctress!  Since Chicago was "An Actors Showcase" it had the edge!  The samething with "Crash".  This year "Dreamgirls" has the same edge.  
Yup, so no need to repeat yourself Wink

Why are people putting in pics that weren't even nominated? "Alien", as great as it is, wasn't nominated for Best Picture. Nor was "Planet of the Apes" (although it should've been at least nominated). And "The Shining", by far Kubrick's worst film (that I've seen), it is better than a lot of the c**p that vomits out today, but is nowhere near Oscar calibre.

I agree with "GoodFellas" and "Raging Bull" over their respective films. "L.A. Confidential"... Hmmmm, I really think it's a great film, and unless they could've made it a tie, "Titanic" was a feat in cinema (like "Star Wars" in '77) and deserves its place as BP '97. I highly doubt any of you 10 years ago had anything bad to say about it, it's only now that it's "cool" to b***h and moan about it that you do. The same goes for Tom Cruise, but that's another issue.

And yeah, I really hate that "Chicago" is BP '02, although I haven't seen it, I would say "The Pianist" as well, "Gangs of New York" was a good movie, but it really lacked I found.
Joey_Kanadiz wrote: Best Picture Winners that were robbed of the oscar:

1977 - Star Wars


I've said it before, and I am a huge Star Wars fan, but there is no way that is a better movie as Annie Hall.
Saving Private Ryan is definately better.
the asterisk on "the untouchables" is there because I didn't see the oscar winning movie "The Last Emperor", so I don't know if it's better.  But "the untouchables" should have atleast been nominated!

the asterisk on "the untouchables" is there because I didn't see the oscar winning movie "The Last Emperor", so I don't know if it's better.  But "the untouchables" should have atleast been nominated!
I just LOVE "The Shinning"! My favourite bits are with the whale, classic film, robbed, just robbed.
What's the asterisk for on The Untouchables? You didn't just copy and paste someone else's list did you?

No. I apologise. Having looked further up the list I can see that old football favourite, The Shinning going neck and neck with Raging Bull so it must be all your own work.

Nicely done, Sir.
Best Picture Winners that were robbed of the oscar:

1941 - Citizen Kane
1946 - It's a Wonderful Life
1948 - The Treasure of the Sierra Madre
1955 - Rebel Without a Cause
1958 - Vertigo
1963 - The Great Escape
1966 - The Good, The Bad & The Ugly
1967 - Bonnie & Clyde / Cool Hand Luke
1968 - Planet of the Apes / Once Upon a Time in the West
1969 - The Wild Bunch
1977 - Star Wars
1979 - Apocalypse Now / Alien
1980 - Raging Bull / The Shinning
1981 - Raiders of the Lost Ark
1987 - The Untouchables *
1989 - Glory
1994 - The Shawshank Redemption
1997 - L.A. Confidential
1998 - Saving Private Ryan
2002 - The Pianist
Well I m still p.o. that "raiders of the Lost Ark" lost to "Chariots of Fire"
drudo182 wrote: Good Will Hunting should have won too. I believe Titanic did....

I'd pick LA Confidential over either of those movies (maybe over both of them combined as well!)
Good Will Hunting should have won too. I believe Titanic did....
drudo182 wrote: Magnolia should have won.

Brokeback Mountain should have won this year.


Ditto
drudo182 wrote: Magnolia should have won.

Brokeback Mountain should have won this year.


The only thing Magnolia should have won was a Best Supporting Actor Oscar for Cruise.  Seriously, this is as close as he will ever come to an Oscar.
Magnolia should have won.

Brokeback Mountain should have won this year.
Gabe Powers wrote: floyd dylan wrote: hyperbol?  Does that word even exist?

There is a word called a hyperbola which means an open curve formed by a plane that cuts the base of a right circular cone


Yes, please excuse my spelling, it's not my strong point.


All this talk of hyperbole has got me so angry I could burst.
Donnie_Darko wrote: Adrian wrote: stanton heck wrote: Brokeback Mountain,

Easily the most overrated movie of last year.


how?
The movie won an Academy Award for Screenplay!  I think you have a problem with the gay adult theme!

It's a competely poetic masterpiece
Tony DeFrancisco wrote: I'm agreeing with Adrian on this one. I have yet to see it and I really want to, but you wouldn't be talking about it as much if it was about a man and a woman, right?

Jeez.....now I have to change my opinion Confused
Adrian wrote: Donnie_Darko wrote: Adrian wrote: stanton heck wrote: Brokeback Mountain,

Easily the most overrated movie of last year.


how?

It's a competely poetic masterpiece


We've seen this same unfulfilled love story a thousand times over.  It's only a novelty because it is two virile cowboys that fall in love.  I was bored to tears after the first 30 minutes of the movie.
I'm agreeing with Adrian on this one. I have yet to see it and I really want to, but you wouldn't be talking about it as much if it was about a man and a woman, right?
Donnie_Darko wrote: Adrian wrote: stanton heck wrote: Brokeback Mountain,

Easily the most overrated movie of last year.


how?

It's a competely poetic masterpiece


We've seen this same unfulfilled love story a thousand times over.  It's only a novelty because it is two virile cowboys that fall in love.  I was bored to tears after the first 30 minutes of the movie.
Adrian wrote: stanton heck wrote: Brokeback Mountain,

Easily the most overrated movie of last year.


how?

It's a competely poetic masterpiece
stanton heck wrote: Brokeback Mountain,

Easily the most overrated movie of last year.
Brokeback Mountain,
Well I agree that Mr. Kevin Smith is not David Lean but who is?
stanton heck wrote: Kevin Smith made coasters out of his Magnolia DVD. (Can't blame him)  I also have to day that in 1950 "Sunset Blvd." should of won over "All about Eve"

"Magnolia" is an incredibly intense film with impressive performances from all the actors. It will be remembered long after the Kevin Smith films have faded into the DVD discount bins. Actually, I'm glad to see he has utilized more imagination using his discarded DVDs than his rather forgettable attempts at filmmaking.
floyd dylan wrote: hyperbol?  Does that word even exist?

There is a word called a hyperbola which means an open curve formed by a plane that cuts the base of a right circular cone


Yes, please excuse my spelling, it's not my strong point.
Never read that book read plenty of others
stanton heck wrote: "Secrets and Lies" over "The Englsih Patient"

I'm glad that I saw Secrets and Lies, but I would never watch it again.  A decent movie, but hardly an Oscar winner.  To me The English Patient was amazing, especially after reading the novel.  It was one of the rare cases where the movie was better than the book.
floyd dylan wrote: hyperbol?  Does that word even exist?

There is a word called a hyperbola which means an open curve formed by a plane that cuts the base of a right circular cone


He left off the trailing E.  Hyperbole is definitely a word.
hyperbol?  Does that word even exist?

There is a word called a hyperbola which means an open curve formed by a plane that cuts the base of a right circular cone
I don't understand Kevin Smith's dislike for Magnolia. It verges on geeky hyperbol, which as a respected member of filmmaking society, he should really be above...that or the rumors themselves are fanboy hyperbol.
Kevin Smith made coasters out of his Magnolia DVD. (Can't blame him)  I also have to day that in 1950 "Sunset Blvd." should of won over "All about Eve"
Try telling that to Kevin Smith.
You know what Gabe, I forgot about "Magnolia." That should have been a Best Picture win instead of American Beauty.
I was with you up untill Mystic River, I really hated that film. I'm also not a very big fan of Dead Poets Society, but it is better than Miss Daisy, my choice stands with the Abyss, for now.

Back in 1999 I totally agreed with the choice of American Beauty for best picture, but the years have not been kind to the film, and though I still think it's pretty great, it really doesn't have the staying power of so many other films released that year (Fight Club, Magnolia, Three Kings, Sixth Sense, Being John Malkovich, Ravenous, etc, etc.).
BEST PICTURE WINNER / ROBBED OF AN OSCAR

1951 -- AN AMERICAN IN PARIS / A STREETCAR NAMED DESIRE
1965 -- THE SOUND OF MUSIC / DR. ZHIVAGO
1968 -- OLIVER! / THE LION IN WINTER
1971 -- THE FRENCH CONNECTION / A CLOCKWORK ORANGE
1976 -- ROCKY / TAXI DRIVER
1977 -- ANNIE HALL / STAR WARS
1979 -- KRAMER VS. KRAMER / APOCALYPSE NOW
1980 -- ORDINARY PEOPLE / RAGING BULL
1981 -- CHARIOTS OF FIRE / RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK
1982 -- GANDHI / E.T. THE EXTRA TERRESTRIAL
1983 -- TERMS OF ENDEARMENT / THE RIGHT STUFF
1985 -- OUT OF AFRICA / THE COLOR PURPLE
1989 -- DRIVING MISS DAISY / DEAD POETS SOCIETY
1998 -- SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE / SAVING PRIVATE RYAN
1999 -- AMERICAN BEAUTY / THE SIXTH SENSE
2001 -- A BEAUTIFUL MIND / THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING
2003 -- THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE RETURN OF THE KING / MYSTIC RIVER
"Secrets and Lies" over "The Englsih Patient"
Referring to several posts up, I lost my faith in the Oscars the year Sophia Loren won the lifetime achievement award.
Adrian, the thing that made Star Wars revolutionary was not it's originality, but its post-modern sensabilities. It's the first major mainstream film that was created strictly in reference to other films, which was something the underground scene had been doing for years. Annie Hall was also post-modern and referencial, but to more modern and Western film movements. Both pictures are true works of art, one just happened to also be "fun" enough that its artistic ambition was overlooked in favor of its spectacle, which in the end, was what made it revolutionary, at least in the eyes of modern Hollywood blockbusters.
But sometimes the Academy goes that way. "Gone with the Wind" is only revered so much because they said "Damn" in it (IMO).
Cheddar J. Cheese wrote: Or me, "Beauty and the Beast" was a great movie, and without an animated category back then, it still was better. "Silence of the Lambs" is a very good movie, but unless they could've made it a tie, my vote goes to "Beauty and the Beast".
"Annie Hall" was good, but it wasn't as revolutionary in film as "Star Wars IV" or "Close Encounters" was.
Also, are we allowed to put in films that weren't nominated?


Actually, neither Star Wars or Close Encounters is really as revolutionary as people make them out to people.  Star Wars stole the basic plot outline of Hidden Fortress and was bascially a western in space.  Besides the award is for best movie, not necessarily revolutionary.  There are some revolutionary movies that weren't necessarily good movies.

I'm a huge Star Wars fan, growing up with it, but there is no way as a piece of art that it comes close to Annie Hall.
James Tully wrote: Shawshank redemption for 1994 definitely. That was the year I lost my faith in Oscars.


Me too.  All of the other movies nominated were better than Forrest Gump.
Shawshank redemption for 1994 definitely. That was the year I lost my faith in Oscars.

Backed up by Titanic beating L.A. Confidential! (actually Titanic winning anything!)
Yes, but I've always though that was an overrated film as well. I stick by my choice to give it to Boogie Nights.
Gabe Powers wrote: Those are some pretty popular picks there. I'd say Star Wars over Close Encounters, and I still say Pulp Fiction is only a third of a good film, Forest Gump may not have diserved it, there had to be something else.

"The Shawshank Redemption" is something else
hell 98 should have been The Thin Red Line
I pre-fer on what was nominated.  
Or me, "Beauty and the Beast" was a great movie, and without an animated category back then, it still was better. "Silence of the Lambs" is a very good movie, but unless they could've made it a tie, my vote goes to "Beauty and the Beast".
"Annie Hall" was good, but it wasn't as revolutionary in film as "Star Wars IV" or "Close Encounters" was.
Also, are we allowed to put in films that weren't nominated?
not me
I'm pretty sure none of us are kidding, but I'll ask around. Any of you guys kidding? Anyone?


No, I think we're all pretty serious about our opinions on this matter.
You guys have to be kidding about 1977.  While Close Encounters and Star Wars are popular choices, they are in now way better than Annie Hall.

And Beauty and the Beast over Silence of the Lambs?!??!?  Silence of the Lambs has to be one of the best movies ever made in my life time.  Beauty and the Beasy is highly overrated.
Gabe Powers wrote: Ok, now I'm curious and I'm looking into it from 1970 to the present, these are my favorites (based on what was nominated and what I have in my collection, I'm sure I missed quite a bit, and I left the one's I agreed with totally blank:
1971: French Connection and Clockwork Orange are a tie for me
1973: Serpico
1974: Chinatown slightly over Godfather 2
1975: This was a tough year, Jaws, Cuckoo's Nest and Dog Day Afternoon? Tough call.
1976: Taxi Driver leaps and bounds over Rocky
1977: Star Wars over Annie Hall, Suspiria as an alternate choice.
1978: Dawn of the Dead
1979: Alien
1980: Raging Bull or Empire Strikes Back as an alternate
1981: Raiders of the Lost Ark
1982: ET
1983: Right Stuff
1984: Terminator, Repo Man or Ghostbusters
1985: Brazil
1986: The Fly
1987: Robocop
1988: Akira
1989: The Abyss (I guess)
1990: Goodfellas. of course
1993: Schindler's List eeks out The Nightmare Before Xmas
1994: Heavenly Creatures
1995: City of Lost Children, Dead Man, or Seven
1996: Trainspotting or Fargo
1997: Boogie Nights
1998: Rushmore or Saving Private Ryan
1999: Fight Club
2000: Requiem for a Dream or Crouching Tiger
2001: Fellowship of the Ring
2002: Close call between The Two Towers, Spirited Away and City of God
2003: Absolute tie between The Return of the King and Oldboy, Kill Bill 1 honorable mention
2004: Kill Bill 2 or The Incredables



Good somebody said Brazil
one of my alltime favs
Ok, now I'm curious and I'm looking into it from 1970 to the present, these are my favorites (based on what was nominated and what I have in my collection, I'm sure I missed quite a bit, and I left the one's I agreed with totally blank:
1971: French Connection and Clockwork Orange are a tie for me
1973: Serpico
1974: Chinatown slightly over Godfather 2
1975: This was a tough year, Jaws, Cuckoo's Nest and Dog Day Afternoon? Tough call.
1976: Taxi Driver leaps and bounds over Rocky
1977: Star Wars over Annie Hall, Suspiria as an alternate choice.
1978: Dawn of the Dead
1979: Alien
1980: Raging Bull or Empire Strikes Back as an alternate
1981: Raiders of the Lost Ark
1982: ET
1983: Right Stuff
1984: Terminator, Repo Man or Ghostbusters
1985: Brazil
1986: The Fly
1987: Robocop
1988: Akira
1989: The Abyss (I guess)
1990: Goodfellas. of course
1993: Schindler's List eeks out The Nightmare Before Xmas
1994: Heavenly Creatures
1995: City of Lost Children, Dead Man, or Seven
1996: Trainspotting or Fargo
1997: Boogie Nights
1998: Rushmore or Saving Private Ryan
1999: Fight Club
2000: Requiem for a Dream or Crouching Tiger
2001: Fellowship of the Ring
2002: Close call between The Two Towers, Spirited Away and City of God
2003: Absolute tie between The Return of the King and Oldboy, Kill Bill 1 honorable mention
2004: Kill Bill 2 or The Incredables

you know I would have to say "Tootsie" over "Ghandi" or "Victor/Victoria" over "Ghnadi"
Those are some pretty popular picks there. I'd say Star Wars over Close Encounters, and I still say Pulp Fiction is only a third of a good film, Forest Gump may not have diserved it, there had to be something else.
I definitely think that E.T. should have won the Best Picture Oscar in 1980 over Gandhi.  The year that I think was the most frustrating was 2000, the year that Gladiator won Best Picture, when 3 very good films weren't even nominated; High Fidelity, The Legend of Bagger Vance and The Wonder Boys.  
1939 "Wizard of Oz" over "Gone With the Wind"
1941 "Citizen Kane" over "How Green Was My Valley"
1964 "Dr. Strangelove" over "My Fair Lady"
1971 "A Clockwork Orange" over "The French Connection"
1977 Either "Star Wars IV" or "Close Encounters"
1981 "Raiders of the Lost Ark" over "Chariots of Fire"
1982 "E.T. The Extra Terrestrial" over "Ghandi"
1991 "Beauty and the Beast" over "Silence of the Lambs"
1995 "Apollo 13" over "Braveheart"
2004 "The Aviator" over "Million Dollar Baby"

I agree with "Saving Private Ryan", robbed...
And if I may...
2005 "Munich" over "Brokeback Mountain"
What movie do you think should of Won Best Picture
1977 "Close Encounters" over "Annie Hall"
1980 "Ragging Bull" or "Elephant Man" over "Ordinary People"
1990 "Goodfellas" over "Dances with wolves"
1994 "Pulp Fiction" over "Forrest Gump"
1997 "LA Confidential" over "Titanic"
1998 "Saving Private Ryan" over "Shakespear in Love"