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Ever had to give up your babies?

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3rd June 2006 2:33  #1

Dustin Member Join Date: March 2006 Location: United States Posts: 553 Send a message via AIM to Dustin
Ever had to give up your babies?
... your DVDS, I mean.  This morning, I had to sell a large portion of my DVDs to be able to live comfortably during the summer.  Driving about nintey miles every day to get to school and work.  Gas is killing me.

Among those I had to part with were my recently reviewed Batman discs.  Didn't feel too bad about that since I won't be re-watching them anytime soon... but I do need to get those back someday.

Anyone else ever have to sell their loved ones to survive?  Today was a sad day for me.  Updating my DVD Aficionado just rubbed it in.

3rd June 2006 3:05  #2

Tony DeFrancisco Senior Member Join Date: July 2005 Location: United States Posts: 2,652
This is gonna cost a bit of money, but ever think of backing up DVDs that you previously bought? Once you buy them, back them up so you'll have another copy. So if you ever have to let the bought ones go, you can have your backed-up copies with you and you won't have to keep on giving up DVDs like that. I know what that's like when I had to give up a few DVDs that I love when they broke.

Of course I was ten when my Max Keeble DVD broke.

3rd June 2006 10:24  #3

Gabe Powers Editor Join Date: September 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4,486 Send a message via ICQ to Gabe Powers
I regularly trade off DVDs every few months at used shops. It feels good to purge a few every once and a while. I'm thinking Braveheart and Curse of the Devil next time around. I just don't picture myself watching those ever again. I like to really keep my collection somewhat essential, though there are a few titles I just hang on to for collection reasons, knowing I'll probably never watch them again, like Once upon a Time in America. That flicks just too long to enjoy on a regular basis, but I could never get rid of it. Besides, it only cost me 4 bucks.

Oh my god, is it really 4:30AM. I've got to go to bed.

3rd June 2006 10:43  #4

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,123 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
Quote: This is gonna cost a bit of money, but ever think of backing up DVDs that you previously bought?

Otherwise known as illegally copying material that you do not own.

I never really sell/trade anything, mostly because I only buy stuff I want now and the older titles are pretty much worthless on the second hand market. I can't stand to sell a DVD I paid a tenner for go for a couple of quid (if that). Plus I'm a hoarder.

I haven't actually boughtt a DVD in a couple of months as there's very little I want. There are a couple that I might pick up, such as Walk the Line, but I have all of the 'big' releases that interest me.

3rd June 2006 12:39  #5

scottmck Contributor Join Date: April 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 393
I buy far too many DVDs and never sell/trade any of them due to my hoarding tendencies.  I did get rid of my complete VHS collection last year though, sold them all to BLockbuster for 40p a piece.  The guy behind the desk was a bit surprised when I turned up with 8 bin bags full of vids Wink

3rd June 2006 13:20  #6

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,123 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
I only have a few VHS as I was always holding out for an optical format. The ones I do have are all widescreen stuff like Star Wars, Pulp Fiction, Alien, Aliens, Reservoir Dogs, Trainspotting etc. All of them cost more than the pan and scan versions at the time. Can't believe that VHS used to sell for £14-£15.

3rd June 2006 15:30  #7

Dustin Member Join Date: March 2006 Location: United States Posts: 553 Send a message via AIM to Dustin
Chris, the funny thing is that people still listen to old records, 45s, 78,s and such.  They're collectible and still in played in listeners homes (my dad, for instance.)

Is anyone gonna miss VHS when it dies?  It's almost dead, I know.  I've often considered buying the largest VHS collection I can, considering they're very very cheap.  Then one day having a room in my house with a vcr, tv, and a million VHS tapes.  A VHS room.

3rd June 2006 16:31  #8

Franchise Member Join Date: March 2006 Location: United States Posts: 294 Send a message via AIM to Franchise Send a message via MSN to Franchise Send a message via Yahoo to Franchise
The week of July 4, my Wal-Mart will no longer be selling VHS movies.  I found that kind of strange.  I won't miss it, but it was cool while it lasted.

3rd June 2006 17:41  #9

Tony DeFrancisco Senior Member Join Date: July 2005 Location: United States Posts: 2,652
Actually Chris, if you actually purchased the DVDs and then back them up over here, it's not illegal. Only if you back up rented or borrowed DVDs is illegal.

But I don't know what the laws are over in the U.K., they may be different from the ones over here.

3rd June 2006 17:54  #10

Mal Webmaster Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,290
Copyright laws are strict and somewhat stuck in the past in this country, about the only media you are allowed to back-up is floppy disks. You aren't even allowed to encode MP3 files from CDs that you have purchased. The only legal way you can have copyrighted music on an MP3 player is if it was purchased from something like iTunes. It the same with media centres - technically they break the law if they store DVDs in a hard disk. There's talk of possible changes soon but the big industry bodies don't want this and favour an idea of keeping it illegal but instead turning a blind eye to the more accepted forms of copying.

I think there was a recent survey that suggested 55% of the UK population are breaking current copyright laws in relation to copying/transfering/backing-up CDs.

And no, I own all the DVDs I have ever bought. Although the vast majority I have only seen once so recently decided to switch to using online DVD rental and only purchase occassionally.

3rd June 2006 20:50  #11

Matt Contributor Join Date: October 2004 Location: United States Posts: 2,113
Tony DeFrancisco wrote: Actually Chris, if you actually purchased the DVDs and then back them up over here, it's not illegal. Only if you back up rented or borrowed DVDs is illegal.
You're completely wrong about that, Tony. Copying a DVD is illegal whether you own the actual disc or not.

3rd June 2006 21:26  #12

Chris Gould Editor Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,123 Send a message via ICQ to Chris Gould Send a message via MSN to Chris Gould Send a message via Skype to Chris Gould
Tony DeFrancisco wrote: Actually Chris, if you actually purchased the DVDs and then back them up over here, it's not illegal. Only if you back up rented or borrowed DVDs is illegal.

But I don't know what the laws are over in the U.K., they may be different from the ones over here.


You asked him if he had ever thought of 'backing up' DVDs he'd previously bought, implying that he should copy them before selling the originals. Seems pretty cut and dry to me.

Anyway, as Matt said, it is illegal. There was a ruling where it was decided it contravened the DMCA, which is why you can't buy software like DVD-X Copy now.

3rd June 2006 23:16  #13

Tony DeFrancisco Senior Member Join Date: July 2005 Location: United States Posts: 2,652
Chris wrote: Tony DeFrancisco wrote: Actually Chris, if you actually purchased the DVDs and then back them up over here, it's not illegal. Only if you back up rented or borrowed DVDs is illegal.

But I don't know what the laws are over in the U.K., they may be different from the ones over here.


You asked him if he had ever thought of 'backing up' DVDs he'd previously bought, implying that he should copy them before selling the originals. Seems pretty cut and dry to me.

Anyway, as Matt said, it is illegal. There was a ruling where it was decided it contravened the DMCA, which is why you can't buy software like DVD-X Copy now.
I guess I'm wrong then, I never knew that there was a ruling of it and that's what I've been told about in family discussions about the law (since my parents are lawyers.)

3rd June 2006 23:55  #14

Dustin Member Join Date: March 2006 Location: United States Posts: 553 Send a message via AIM to Dustin
Legal or not, I'd never want to back up my DVDs.  A backed up bootleg copy is no substitute for having the actual DVD, packaging, disc art, and all.

5th June 2006 19:25  #15

Worst Nightmare Senior Member Join Date: July 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 6,706 Send a message via AIM to Worst Nightmare Send a message via ICQ to Worst Nightmare Send a message via MSN to Worst Nightmare Send a message via Yahoo to Worst Nightmare Send a message via Google to Worst Nightmare
If you think about it Tony, if you have a backup of your DVD so that say "the kids don't hurt the original" you may be able to get away with it but as soon as you sell the original, then in theory you now have a bootleg copy....

6th June 2006 16:07  #16

Adrian Senior Member Join Date: September 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1,305
As Matt said above, the very act of copying a DVD is illegal now in the US (though I am not sure that any cases have been tried against it) because of the DMCA.  The DMCA made it illegal to circumvent copy protection for any reason.  (Which for awhile, I'm pretty sure it was illegal to have a working DVD player under Linux.)  You cannot copy a DVD without circumventing the copy protection scheme.

Basically, the DMCA gutted fair use of the copyright law for digital media.  However, I doubt that anyone would ever be prosecuted under this law if it was solely for personaly usage.

6th June 2006 17:45  #17

Matt Contributor Join Date: October 2004 Location: United States Posts: 2,113
Adrian wrote: However, I doubt that anyone would ever be prosecuted under this law if it was solely for personaly usage.
As long as you don't turn around and start selling your burned copies or upload and share them on the internet the chances of getting caught for copying your own stuff are next to nothing.

6th June 2006 21:55  #18

Adrian Senior Member Join Date: September 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1,305
Matt wrote: As long as you don't turn around and start selling your burned copies or upload and share them on the internet the chances of getting caught for copying your own stuff are next to nothing.

Getting caught and being illegal are two very separate things though.  Very Happy

7th June 2006 1:22  #19

Mal Webmaster Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,290
Just to mention we are now officially allowed to use MP3 players as I mentioned earlier in this thread:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/505365...

Makes a change that the BPI are actually being nice.

10th June 2006 16:47  #20

Mark Lim Member Join Date: March 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 1,211
Can I ask you guys about taping a TV show while you are not home to watch it, so you can wtach it later. Is that illegal?
Apparently, my country's Attorney General says it was illegal to copy TV programs so you can watch later. Now he has relaxed the law, so Aussies are O.K. to do this now.

12th June 2006 16:29  #21

Worst Nightmare Senior Member Join Date: July 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 6,706 Send a message via AIM to Worst Nightmare Send a message via ICQ to Worst Nightmare Send a message via MSN to Worst Nightmare Send a message via Yahoo to Worst Nightmare Send a message via Google to Worst Nightmare
Mark Lim wrote: Can I ask you guys about taping a TV show while you are not home to watch it, so you can wtach it later. Is that illegal?
Apparently, my country's Attorney General says it was illegal to copy TV programs so you can watch later. Now he has relaxed the law, so Aussies are O.K. to do this now.
That may be true now but we are still unable to back up DVD's and CD's still Sad

12th June 2006 17:01  #22

Mal Webmaster Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,290
Mark Lim wrote: Can I ask you guys about taping a TV show while you are not home to watch it, so you can wtach it later. Is that illegal?
Apparently, my country's Attorney General says it was illegal to copy TV programs so you can watch later. Now he has relaxed the law, so Aussies are O.K. to do this now.

That's fine in this country, it's called timeshifting in copyright law and allows you to keep a copy for an acceptable amount of time. If it were illegal then PVRs like Sky+ and that new BBC P2P player wouldn't be allowed.

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