Can someone please tell me why every country EXCEPT the US is getting a nice limited edition set for this release??? Why no art book? Or box-set? Or statue? Or packaging? Lame.

This is what I've been waiting for! Will totally get this set!

Wow, the original 300-page screenplay?! I thought that'd never be released! Awesome!

I'm waiting for the 5 disc "Ultimate Set" which is scheduled for Christmas 2011.

Pixarfan517 wrote: WTF!!! The DVD has two discs of the same thing. That's f**king bull s**t.

Haha, you're making a joke right? They're gonna be dividing up those things over the 2 discs. I highly doubt they're going to branch 3 different versions of a 3 hour film on one DVD, and then put 2 of them in the set.

JackJackMN wrote: Intergalactic Ponce wrote:




Hmmm, let's see, you don't watch PG-13 movies when your kids are in the room. It's a pretty simple fix. Do you bring your kids to see PG-13 movies in the theater?

I think a family friendly track is lame. I have less problem with the language and more problem with the violence in the movie.

I don't get the point you're making about me not watching PG13 films whenthe kids are in the room. Don't get me wrong, Im not spoiling for an arguament, I just don't know how you arrived at that statement from what I wrote. I may be especially slow today so the problem might be mine. Can you elaborate. Then I'll try to answer?

I don't take my eldest daughter to 12A (PG-13) films in theaters as they are that rating for a reason usually. In the home environemt however, if a more adult word or theme needs explanation, you can pause the film and attempt to explain it more readily than you can in a cinema.
Plus the visuals and volume can be overwhelming to a 7 year old and that was my feeling when I first saw Avatar. 'There are moments (the Thanator chase) that would be too much for her'. I've no problem with her watching Avatar at home though. The volume can be moderated but as I said in previous post, the swearing, when it occurs, does jump out of what is otherwise a family friendly film. I'd have thought that given FOX would be trying to maximize the return on their investent, the language could have gone or been replaced with something else.
The other thing that stands out is Sigourney Weavers character smoking. I think we've grown accustomed to smoking being gradually erased from maintstreme film that when it crops up in one, it calls attention to itself. If Grace didn't smoke would that have any real impact on the story or character.

Either way, I'm not really advocating cleaned up audio tracks. I'm just saying that as long as they don't impact the final product adversly, what harm are they. All kids are different. Some are not affect by or copy bad language heard in films others do. If, as a parent, you have the option to let your kids see a film like Avatar without the swearing then I don't think its a bad thing.
My other point about the swearing is its often the element that puts otherwise PG rated action films out of the reach of children. I'm not talking Die Hards or Predators here, (nor do I agree with previously R rated film lowering the rating of their sequels to attract a younger audieace) but films like Avatar, Waterworld and Goonies. These are just random titles. With the latter, I never really understood why it had the recently restored bad language restored. It's good to have full versions of films but why was the swearing in there in the first place. My view is that it didn't need to be cut out because it had no place in a kids film. A fact that most rating sysytems agreed with. Now I hadn't seen Goonies for a long time and I thought my kids might like to see it. I found it cheap, they watched and enjoyed it. I knew it had been restored and receieved a bump up in certificate from a PG to a 12 but, like Avatar, was puzzled as to why the swearing was there in a kids film in the first place.

(Apologies for posting some of this again. I think I farted about editing it for too long but there are some changes below for those who haven't fallen asleep or lost the will to live.)

I'm going to reel out the classic 'it doesn't offend me personally line' all good pro censorship advocates adopt but you do have to wonder about the thinking behind these decisions to include swearing in family films.

If I were making multi million dollar films questions would need to be asked before creating any film. First question for me would be 'What's the point of the thing?' What kind of film are we making and who do we want to see it? Toddlers, 12 year olds, teens, families or just adults. I'm not saying pander to a specific group I'm just saying don't fudge the issue by setting out to make one type of film and then making another with the inclusion of inapropriate content. With Goonies they semd to set out making a PG family film and ended up with a PG-13 film that ended up being cut back to gain a PG rating. What was the point of that? Make one or the other. Don't faff around.

Received ratings aside for a minute, I would say Goonies is bang on with a PG and as such, swearing, however mild should have been dealt with at the script stage.

Avatar's action scenes are a bit too intense for a some under 10's I would have thought. But I know some friends 7 & 8 year olds that absolutely lap it up. They can deal with it and recognize it for what it is so I think broadly speaking Avatar should (like Jurassic Park) have been designed as a PG rated film with the inclusion of a clear parental advisory caution for intense action. If they'd have stuck to that they would have dumped the swearing (and smoking) at the script stage. Someone obviously felt the swearing and smoking were integral to the story but there has obviously been enough feedback for Fox/Cameron to prep a clean track which should have told them something about the actual nature of the film they set out to make.

My apologies as I've rambled on and I'm sure my point has been long lost amid repetion and waffling. If this comes across as ill thought out piddle then that is probably an acurate assesment.

I disagree with family friendly tracks in principle, but IT IS OPTIONAL. I hate it when people think they are entitled to something when they are not, and now people are whining about an extra option they'd have to go out of their way to turn on? The human race is done for.

And if you think the dialogue in Avatar is so good and sacred that a family friendly audio track is going to ruin it, you're kidding yourself. It's already terrible.

Intergalactic Ponce wrote: Having kids, I think it's a shame the swearing was in there in the first place. It could easily have been substituted and probably should havebeen quite early on in the process. My children, 4 & 7 (odd names I know) like the film but I always wince a little when a s**t comes out. I should drink more water I suppose.

I'm not pro censorship and TV versions can be ridiculous but in Avatar's case, if I were putting it on for my children, I would welcome the choice of having cleaner version until they're a little older. There are a number of 12/PG-13 films that could have a cleaned up track as often the language is the thing bumping the rating up from a PG. When you have kids, your opinions on the matter of language do change. As lond as the inclusion of a cleaner track doesn't seriously compromise the AV quality then I can't see its worth getting in a twist over.

On the flip side of this arguament, worse language than that contained in Avatar has been heard by my kids, inadvertantly on TV/DVD and thay haven't suddenly started running around swearing the place down, so what do I know.

Hmmm, let's see, you don't watch PG-13 movies when your kids are in the room. It's a pretty simple fix. Do you bring your kids to see PG-13 movies in the theater?

I think a family friendly track is lame. I have less problem with the language and more problem with the violence in the movie.

saccyind wrote: In 3D the Colors ANd Contrast IS 30 % LESS Vibrant Then 2D so Visuals Are Better In 2D that's Scientific Reason 2D IS Better.

i dont doubt that, i was waiting for this edition but i did buy the blu release from april for my mother and we watched it together. and i was very impressed because while i saw this in 3D in theaters and thought the image was great, the disc looked muuuch better than the theatrical presentation.

In 3D the Colors ANd Contrast IS 30 % LESS Vibrant Then 2D so Visuals Are Better In 2D that's Scientific Reason 2D IS Better.

Primogen18 wrote: ^Family friendly tracks/versions are nothing new, back in the 90s/early 2000s I would see whole racks at my local rental store that were nothing but PG versions of PG-13 movies. I remember seeing Austin Powers up there, The Mask, Ace Ventura, ID4, and many many others. I am not sure how they did it, but I had to chuckle when going past them especially if there were people actually looking at them.

the difference there was that it was the stores themselves making the changes. i remember at least Blockbuster got in a lot of s**t over that, i think it even led to lawsuits or at least threats of lawsuits of they didnt stop.

the sad thing this time is that its an official change made by the studio itself. the movie has a rating, its up to the parents to decide whether or not their kids will watch it. why make any changes to it to make it "family friendly" ? whats next, they'll start editing out violence and sexual content in other movies? either watch the movie as is or dont at all. its just a very very very sad state of affairs that they even did this.

the worst part is that the stuff they cut/edit out isn't any worse than what you hear on television already. its not like its some Boyz N The Hood type language filled movie. but yeah, i don't care if Cameron made the decision himself, this is just an insult to his final product. its sad to see a director thats considered at the top of a short list of major names give in to lame PC pressure like this.

Forgive the slight off topic. Primogen18 wrote: ^Family friendly tracks/versions are nothing new, back in the 90s/early 2000s I would see whole racks at my local rental store that were nothing but PG versions of PG-13 movies. I remember seeing Austin Powers up there, The Mask, Ace Ventura, ID4, and many many others. I am not sure how they did it, but I had to chuckle when going past them especially if there were people actually looking at them.

Anyway, I saw this twice in theatres and I think that is about it for me. Most of my friends feel the same way, it's a movie you can watch once or twice but after that (especially on a smaller screen) it's a but burned out.

What might be next? Family versions of Halloween? (sorry, couldn't help myself)

As for Avatar itself, I have yet to see it at all, I will someday but I'm in no hurry. Either way to fans of Avatar this seems like the edition to pick up followed by the 3D release. With the price of 3D televisions now I suspect that in 5 years they will be as cheap as flat screen 16x9 TVs are today. Not to mention that new TVs are being developed that are passive VS. active 3D making it possible to not need the 600 dollar set of glasses for the whole family.

God the way this is shaping out to be I suspect that it might be the next Evil Dead.

coconutphone wrote: mc_serenity wrote: A family-friendly audio track? Are you f****g kidding me?

THANK YOU! I'm glad I'm not the only one who got a little vomit in their mouth over that. 1st off the idea that anyone (especially a filmmaker) would want a censored version on an official release let alone marketed as a BONUS feature but to label it 'family track' is just nauseating.

There was something similar when Titanic came out wasn't there? I think they removed the love scene and the nude art to make it family friendly. Avatar was hardly Jay and Silent Bob Strikes Back though. For comedy value they should do the TV version of Midnight Run now that's funny.... Motherfunner...

I'd also like to add that this is How studios should release DVDs and BluRays. The DVD has great features to begin with (the documentary and deleted scenes), while the BluRay just adds an extra disc of features to that.

The movie was ok but way over hyped

I think i'll wait for a 3D version, I hope..

I think it's pretty sad that fans of the movie that already have a 3D setup cannot get the movie in 3D HD individually. Packaging it with a player is a dirty ploy.

I myself got burnt out the second time I saw the movie and I wouldn't want to revisit Pandora either in an extended version, or in a sequel. Still, the artwork on the extended edition Blu-ray looks good, because for once we don't have to see those ugly N'avi!

mc_serenity wrote: A family-friendly audio track? Are you f****g kidding me?

THANK YOU! I'm glad I'm not the only one who got a little vomit in their mouth over that. 1st off the idea that anyone (especially a filmmaker) would want a censored version on an official release let alone marketed as a BONUS feature but to label it 'family track' is just nauseating.

I'm a lot more eager to see the special features on this film than the film itself. Bleh.

I hold off for this cant wait to have avatar Finally.

How about an audio track with only the forgettable soundtrack on it? Nearly every line of dialog detracts from my enjoyment of this movie.

I enjoyed this flick in the theater. Wasn't blown away, but I didn't hate it. I do now though. When you watch this movie on anything but an IMAX screen, it becomes all too apparent that it is a c**ppy movie. To quote Paul Scheer: "Watching Avatar on a normal screen is like turning on the lights in a strip club."

mc_serenity wrote: A family-friendly audio track? Are you f****g kidding me?

I hate to say this, but not having the profanity might be an improvement. I would certainly miss Grace's "Oh, sh**" but the other lines?

"Yeah! That's right bit**!"
"If you love your animal friends, why not just let them kill my a**?"

It really felt out of place to be honest. I wouldn't mind giving this a shot.

Take note everyone: no JC commentary, no interactive features...I guess we'll have to wait for yet-another-collector's-edition.

mc_serenity wrote: A family-friendly audio track? Are you f****g kidding me?

No, sadly they are not. The levels of growing stupidity and fascism in the world are appalling.

What about another "discriminating spectator-friendly audio track", free of cringe-inducing dialogue?

A family-friendly audio track? Are you f****g kidding me?

William Coffey wrote: Oh God. it's back again.

That made my life. Thank you.

That cover art is gorgeous! I want a poster of that!

Oh God. it's back again.