Tis an old DVD, but whatever. This movie is totally biased.

Quote: Originally posted by Jerry Danzig
Where are the lies in the scene where Bush remains for seven minutes in a classroom reading with children after being told a second plane had hit the WTC?  Why didn't he act?  Because he was afraid?  Because Cheney is "the man"?  Because Bush somehow knew in advance the attack was coming???  Michael Moore lets the viewer answer this question for him or herself...

Shock. The same way I felt on 9/11. I guess you think he should have jumped up, startled the children and changed into a super hero. Are you so naive as to think if the President is incapacitated for a few minutes the government comes to a stand still? Bush can't win with you people. If he had jumped to his feet and rushed out of the room, there would have been Liberal outcries about his insensitivity. That moment and its portrayal in the film is another example of how footage (and events) can be manipulated when taken out of context. The idiocy of this conspiratorial view is frightening. This is what our education system has produced. ABSOLUTELY PATHETIC!

Lies? I have no desire to be further exposed to the leftist views of this "documentarian." I am infuriated that this film was allowed to pass as a documentary. It is full of downright fiction and yet many accept it as the gospel. I just wish people weren't so lazy and would do a little research of their own. The Nazis were also well aware of the power of propaganda. Just toss in enough truth and the masses will buy the fiction. Nuff said.

Where are the lies in the scene where Bush remains for seven minutes in a classroom reading with children after being told a second plane had hit the WTC?  Why didn't he act?  Because he was afraid?  Because Cheney is "the man"?  Because Bush somehow knew in advance the attack was coming???  Michael Moore lets the viewer answer this question for him or herself...

The amount of people who actually take this guy's material as factual info is scary. Bill O'Reilly exposed him last week for the lying SOB that he is

I guess we were watching different segments... O'Reilly looked amazing during the interview lol

Hi. One thing that was very dangerous in the US since the Sept 11, is that every media will follow the White House decision.  NO ONE try to find out the truth! The president can not tell any lies! Sorry he done it big time! To bad for the US citezens that the don't have access (or may be they don't want to have access) to other sources (I don't talk about internet) but TV, news paper from outside.  I don't give a @@@@ about republican or democrate.  The only thing is sure, Bush is putting religion in the White House and Congress and that is dangerous!    

Quote: Originally posted by Beau Franklin
Bill O'Reilly exposed him last week for the lyingKnew I recognised that bloke's name from somewhere... he got Fox News into trouble a couple of months ago with Ofcom. That said, as Tom and Chris have said, comment on the DVD only please.

STOP THE VIOLENCE.

??? Yeah...theres alot of good dvds coming out...cough...cough...yep.

Quote: Originally posted by Aaron Schneiderman
Quote: Originally posted by Bryan McCarty
Originally posted by Aaron Schneiderman
I have no desire to be further exposed to the leftist views of this "documentarian." I am infuriated that this film was allowed to pass as a documentary. It is full of downright fiction and yet many accept it as the gospel. I just wish people weren't so lazy and would do a little research of their own. The Nazis were also well aware of the power of propaganda. Just toss in enough truth and the masses will buy the fiction. Nuff said.

As stated above keep your views to yourself and keep this about the DVD. And comparing a POV such as Michael Moores with Nazi propaganda is just downright stupid.

Can you read? Everything I stated was directly related to the film and its flim maker. I saw "Fahrenheit 911" and IT IS a pack of lies. The facts are quite clear that he was less than forthcoming with a number of facts that would have rendered his point-of-view false. The omission of fact is the same as weaving lies. And my use of the term propaganda was quite accurate and the Nazis were artists of that game. So I am not "stupid" in drawing a comparison. Evidently you are not a student of history. Bevan's assertion that nobody has pointed out the distortions and lies is laughable. What rock does he or she live under? You people really need an education. Do some research. I believe the film's merits or the lack thereof are fair game for discussion with the imminent DVD release.

I think he was merely saying that you comparing Michael Moore, who, regardless of whether you think he's right or not, is challenging people to think for themselves instead of just believing the information given to them by their nightly news, to Hitler, who killed millions of innocent people on the basis of their religion and/or lifestyle, is ridiculous... and it is.

I know that some people toe the political line for both sides.  Either whole-heartedly believing right-wing extremists or extreme liberal extremeists.  The point is that when shown opposing points of view people from both sides will invariably find the truth.  It's just up to them whether they accept it or not.  And I seriously doubt that posting to a DVD forum will change anyone's political views.

And quoting historians is not going to make anyone on this list think any higher of you...

I, for one, have seen 9/11 and I also plan on seeing the upcoming "Michael Moore Hates America."  I wonder what kind of facts will be omitted from that film.

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what an ugly coverart.

Thats hardly a ruputable website. It leans so far to the right that it nocked my monitor off the edge of my desk the second I clicked on it. Now do your work and come back when you find a real non-partisan site that can back up your claims (keyword "real"

God damn it it Aaron, you've gone made me angry. Please go to and read the article headed "9/11 Commission Report Confirms Key Fahrenheit 9/11 Facts" or read "THE FACTS IN FAHRENHEIT 9/11" where Moore details each fact given in the film. Oh and then... SHUT UP!! That goes for all of you nay sayers. Right...... got that off my chest.

As for the DVD, i don't like the cover. I prefer the movie poster (Moore and Bush holding hands on the White House lawn) than this. I've also seen another pic of him holding up an envelope and that was better than this. It's like they suddenly realised that the subject matter of the film was both disturbing and sad, so gave Moore sympathetic eyes.

Also there is a lack of commentary. Moore didn't do one on 'Bowling For Columbine' either (leaving it for his production crew to do) but did do some for his TV shows, so he's not against the idea. I can't help but think that this would benefit from a Moore commentary.

Quote: Originally posted by Bryan McCarty
Originally posted by Aaron Schneiderman
I have no desire to be further exposed to the leftist views of this "documentarian." I am infuriated that this film was allowed to pass as a documentary. It is full of downright fiction and yet many accept it as the gospel. I just wish people weren't so lazy and would do a little research of their own. The Nazis were also well aware of the power of propaganda. Just toss in enough truth and the masses will buy the fiction. Nuff said.

As stated above keep your views to yourself and keep this about the DVD. And comparing a POV such as Michael Moores with Nazi propaganda is just downright stupid.

Can you read? Everything I stated was directly related to the film and its flim maker. I saw "Fahrenheit 911" and IT IS a pack of lies. The facts are quite clear that he was less than forthcoming with a number of facts that would have rendered his point-of-view false. The omission of fact is the same as weaving lies. And my use of the term propaganda was quite accurate and the Nazis were artists of that game. So I am not "stupid" in drawing a comparison. Evidently you are not a student of history. Bevan's assertion that nobody has pointed out the distortions and lies is laughable. What rock does he or she live under? You people really need an education. Do some research. I believe the film's merits or the lack thereof are fair game for discussion with the imminent DVD release.

Yes.

Quote: Originally posted by Beau Franklin
The amount of people who actually take this guy's material as factual info is scary. Bill O'Reilly exposed him last week for the lying SOB that he is.

and Bill O'Reilly is always telling the truth right? Look this is a DVD forum, DVD not a political one. Go find another forum to spew this crap.

argh! Some people need to keep opinions to themselves, this isn't a debate it's a discussion on a dvd. Ah that cover art is weird. Why is there blue skies and clouds behind Moore?

. I'm hoping that with all these extras, It'll be a two-disc set. Can't wait to buy a copy nonetheless.

Just had to say something I've been coming to this site for a while now and until now I have never felt compelled to comment.

First, even if Fahrenheit 9/11 is 'downright fiction', I think it is a very good film. A simple example is that I think the film was very well structured - I found the contrast between those who are negatively affected by war and those who profit from it to be very effective. For me it revealed the meaninglessness of it all.

Secondly, if it is all lies, aren't there defamation laws in the US. I believe Fahrenheit has been meticulously researched and is factually true, which is exactly why we won't see any law suits against Moore. I have heard people say that it is full of falsities, but I haven't been presented with a single fact to support a stance typified by statements of the following nature - "Moore's film is so untrue it is not worth commenting on".

Finally, I think that the only flaw with the film is that the focus is drawn too heavily on the individuals (i.e. Bush, Cheney) rather than the flaws in the system. I don't want to debate or discuss this further, I just don't think Bush is the root of all evil. So, Moore is possibly guilty of laying a disproportionate amount of blame on Bush & Co.

In conclusion, Moore did the research, he did the work, and no one seems to be able to refute him. Give credit where it is due - I personally congratulate him for a job well done.

The DVD itself looks very interesing, I am wondering if the 'new scene' has been inserted into the film. The featurettes look quite interesting - I will definitely be getting this DVD.

I always find it funny how Moore always "lies," yet Bill O'Rielly is honest Abe.

Say what you will about the film, it has tons of facts to back up Moore's opinions. Last time I checked, Webster doesn't describe an opinion as a lie.

In any case, this movie was great. I guess it's borderline calling a movie heavy on opinion a documentary, but that won't stop it from winning the Oscar for it again this year.

I have no desire to be further exposed to the leftist views of this "documentarian." I am infuriated that this film was allowed to pass as a documentary. It is full of downright fiction and yet many accept it as the gospel. I just wish people weren't so lazy and would do a little research of their own. The Nazis were also well aware of the power of propaganda. Just toss in enough truth and the masses will buy the fiction. Nuff said.

Reminder This is just an early reminder to keep discussion to the DVD, and not on whether or not you think Bush (or Moore!) is an <insert insult>. Thanks!