Hi-Def Releases (US - HD | BD RA)
Sony, Warner and Universal has sent us artwork for their new high-def releases
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What are these new hi-def DVDs? I'm not familair with them. Do you need a certain DVD player to play them or could you just play them in a regular DVD player?
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Yes, you need to buy a HD DVD player or a Blu Ray DVD Player.
The new PS3 supports Blu Ray though. And you need a HD TV screen for HD picture quality.
I'd wait a few years if I were you, when prices should go down.
And when the war settles on one format, but I doubt it would
happen anytime soon. It would be years before this happen!
The new PS3 supports Blu Ray though. And you need a HD TV screen for HD picture quality.
I'd wait a few years if I were you, when prices should go down.
And when the war settles on one format, but I doubt it would
happen anytime soon. It would be years before this happen!
I see a couple of good movies being released. Is this Robocop the Uncut version or the cut version.
Bigger Titles
Ya I totally agree they need to release BIG HD DVD or Blu-Ray discs like All the Star Wars, Titantic (1997), Matrix Triolgy, All the Aliens etc. So it would generate more interest in there formats.
Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems HD-DVDs are a seamless transition from regular DVDs. You can buy any HD-DVD and watch the standard 480i definition version of the movie on your regular DVD player. Then later say in a few years you can buy a HD-DVD player, and you already have the HD version of the movie on the same disc. All companies that decided to go with HD-DVDs over Blue Ray will release 1 disc, with both Hi Def and regular version of the movie. However Sony and others will be releasing Blue Ray and regular standard DVDs separately. I don't see how Blue Ray will win this. I don't know that many people would want of spend $1000+ on a Blue Ray player. Not every one will buy a PS3 to watch movies on.
Chris wrote: I'm not. Already invested too much in DVD, and these formats are premature.
Same here Chris. One reason is that I don't have a HD monitor yet, so there's no use in going HD disc yet. Second reason is that I already have a solid modest sized collection, 500+ according to DVD Aficionado, so I don't see a rush to repurchase these things on HD disc yet. Third reason is quite obvious, if not to the studios....the players are going to be damn near $1000! I didn't buy a VCR when they were that high, and I didn't buy a DVD player when they were that high.
I gotta get a HD TV first and then we'll talk...
Luckily, I upgraded my sound system this past Christmas from a weak 230W DD system to a 720W DTS system.
Same here Chris. One reason is that I don't have a HD monitor yet, so there's no use in going HD disc yet. Second reason is that I already have a solid modest sized collection, 500+ according to DVD Aficionado, so I don't see a rush to repurchase these things on HD disc yet. Third reason is quite obvious, if not to the studios....the players are going to be damn near $1000! I didn't buy a VCR when they were that high, and I didn't buy a DVD player when they were that high.
I gotta get a HD TV first and then we'll talk...
Luckily, I upgraded my sound system this past Christmas from a weak 230W DD system to a 720W DTS system.
im not gonna rebuy all my dvd movies cause of this s**t.i have 450 dvds they will both go away just like superaudio cds and cdsdvd. wait and see. its 2 soon for this.
One or two exceptions aside, these first wave titles are pretty weak. Who in their right mind is going to shell out $30 bucks for "Stealth", "50 First Dates" or "Hitch"?
Green Hornet wrote: Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems HD-DVDs are a seamless transition from regular DVDs. You can buy any HD-DVD and watch the standard 480i definition version of the movie on your regular DVD player. Then later say in a few years you can buy a HD-DVD player, and you already have the HD version of the movie on the same disc.
I can't see how this would be true. They would have to encode two different versions of the movie and the extras/menus/etc on the disc. This would take up quite a bit of space. I can't imagine why they would want to use that space for 480p video.
I can't see how this would be true. They would have to encode two different versions of the movie and the extras/menus/etc on the disc. This would take up quite a bit of space. I can't imagine why they would want to use that space for 480p video.
It's not true. Originally Microsoft wanted HD-DVDs to have a classic DVD layer that would allow us to play these on regular DVD-Players.
But they've given up on that idea AFAIK.
But they've given up on that idea AFAIK.
Kaya Savas wrote: Yeah, I do believe that Sony will win this format war, I think they're still bitter over Betamax. Also I think releasing these when there IS NO PLAYER TO PLAY THEM IN is the stupidest move ever. They delayed Blu-Ray players but still release the movies?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Where is the logic? "Oooh, they look purty on my shelf".
Also, what is Dolby Digital-Plus? Why can't they put DTS-ES on all of these?
Universal, DreamWorks, and Warner Bros. do not believe in DTS sound of any kind!!!!
You won't find DTS on ALL of their standard DVDs, HD-DVDs, and I fear the Blu-Ray discs as well.
The three above mentioned studios are officially on my s**t list, and I would love to start organizing a boycott of ALL of their product until they get the message..........anyone with me!!!!!
Jodi
Also, what is Dolby Digital-Plus? Why can't they put DTS-ES on all of these?
Universal, DreamWorks, and Warner Bros. do not believe in DTS sound of any kind!!!!
You won't find DTS on ALL of their standard DVDs, HD-DVDs, and I fear the Blu-Ray discs as well.
The three above mentioned studios are officially on my s**t list, and I would love to start organizing a boycott of ALL of their product until they get the message..........anyone with me!!!!!
Jodi
jodi wrote: Universal, DreamWorks, and Warner Bros. do not believe in DTS sound of any kind!!!! You won't find DTS on ALL of their standard DVDs, HD-DVDs, and I fear the Blu-Ray discs as well. The three above mentioned studios are officially on my s**t list, and I would love to start organizing a boycott of ALL of their product until they get the message..........anyone with me!!!!!
Go ahead and boycott if you like, but you're reasoning is incorrect...and besides that, if you're going to boycott or protest something can't you think of anything more worthwhile than the availability of audio tracks on DVD?
Go ahead and boycott if you like, but you're reasoning is incorrect...and besides that, if you're going to boycott or protest something can't you think of anything more worthwhile than the availability of audio tracks on DVD?
jodi wrote: Universal, DreamWorks, and Warner Bros. do not believe in DTS sound of any kind!
Universal, DreamWorks and only recently WB are all DTS supporters. Indeed, Jurassic Park was the first film released in DTS and that was a Universal film.
DreamWorks release DTS on DVDs - American Beauty and The Last Castle are two examples I can think of.
Warner didnt support DTS, but are now just starting to provide it on some titles, e.g. the Batman movies.
Universal, DreamWorks and only recently WB are all DTS supporters. Indeed, Jurassic Park was the first film released in DTS and that was a Universal film.
DreamWorks release DTS on DVDs - American Beauty and The Last Castle are two examples I can think of.
Warner didnt support DTS, but are now just starting to provide it on some titles, e.g. the Batman movies.
I was wondering if someone could fill me in on somethings I'm not clear on.
I have a 42 inch Samsung High Defintion TV that's 1080i. There are component video jacks but there's no HDMI input jack. So would either a Blue Ray or HD-DVD player allow me to hook them up with component cables and allow me enjoy, at least, 1080i High Def or would it downgrade it to 480p, which if so, wouldn't seem to be any better than watching a DVD on my current progressive-scan DVD player?
So in short, would I have to go out and buy a new Hi-Def TV with 1080p capabilities and a HDMI input jack if I want to enjoy HD-DVD or Blue-Ray to their fullest?
I have a 42 inch Samsung High Defintion TV that's 1080i. There are component video jacks but there's no HDMI input jack. So would either a Blue Ray or HD-DVD player allow me to hook them up with component cables and allow me enjoy, at least, 1080i High Def or would it downgrade it to 480p, which if so, wouldn't seem to be any better than watching a DVD on my current progressive-scan DVD player?
So in short, would I have to go out and buy a new Hi-Def TV with 1080p capabilities and a HDMI input jack if I want to enjoy HD-DVD or Blue-Ray to their fullest?
I think that is still to be decided MDH. I believe to begin with you are screwed and due to content protection, you would be down converted to 480p since you do not have and HDMI jack. However, I think that there will be class action lawsuits against this kind of action and that eventually they won't be allowed to do this. Just my opinion.
If you have a DVI input, these are very similiar to the HDMI except that they don't have audio associated with it. If you have a DVI input that supports whatever revision of HDP (the copy protection) that is eventually released, you may be okay.
If you have a DVI input, these are very similiar to the HDMI except that they don't have audio associated with it. If you have a DVI input that supports whatever revision of HDP (the copy protection) that is eventually released, you may be okay.
One problem, please tell me that we will be able to play our standard dvds on these HD and Blu-ray disc players. If not, to hell with both of them. As some people pointed out, I have way too much money invested in dvd to upgrade to this. Please tell me that these new players will be backwards compatible. If not, it will never be worth it to me.
GavSalkeld wrote: jodi wrote: Universal, DreamWorks, and Warner Bros. do not believe in DTS sound of any kind!
Universal, DreamWorks and only recently WB are all DTS supporters. Indeed, Jurassic Park was the first film released in DTS and that was a Universal film.
DreamWorks release DTS on DVDs - American Beauty and The Last Castle are two examples I can think of.
Warner didnt support DTS, but are now just starting to provide it on some titles, e.g. the Batman movies.
Yes yes yes yes yes, but that was YEARS ago!!!
Back in the early to mid years of DVD (1996 to about 2003), Universal and DreamWorks released just about every title of theirs in DTS on DVD. Since about 2004, DTS just simply disappeared in Uni and DW's "radar".
As for Warner, DTS sound on their DVDs has always been non-existant except for the following: "Twister" (a film that DTS founder Steven Speilberg had a hand in as it's executive producer), "American Outlaws" ( the film company Morgan Creek is a DTS proponent -- had Morgan Creek not made this film, this DVD would have been just another Dolby Digital DVD), and "Batman & Robin" (Tim Burton's "Batman" and "Batman Returns" don't count because, in their THEATRICAL exhibitions back in 1989 and 1992, they pre-date DTS by four years and one year respectively......"Batman Forever", while it was THEATRICALLY released during the DTS era, was mixed in Dolby Digital ONLY -- therefore, it does not count as a true DTS codec).
Fortunately, thanks to importing, I do own Warner's "Terminator 3" (imported from Britain) and "Phantom of the Opera" (imported from Japan) DVDs with their originally intended DTS mixes from their theatrical exhibitions.
It is good to see studios like Paramount to finally be releasing more DTS-encoded DVDs, but they have a LOT more work to do -- I don't think Paramount should limit DTS sound on DVD to sci-fi films like the 'next-generation' "Star Trek" films (all of which were mixed theatrically in DTS) and the upcoming re-release of "Event Horizon". How about the "Mission Impossible" films or "The Relic" or the "Tomb Raider" films.
Lionsgate is starting to impress me, and I can almost always count on 20th Century Fox for delivering DTS-encoded DVDs of their films (which, of course, were DTS-mixed theatrically).
I'm a very picky viewer, with more than my share of cheers and jeers to the above-mentioned studios these days.
I will say this......I will not support either HD-DVD nor Blu-Ray if certain studios do not get the message. I also tend to agree that HD-DVD and Blu-Ray are wasted technologies anyway.
If they can't deliver the intended goods (DTS, most importantly), then they are not worth spending my hard-earned money with, as well as not worth my time.
Jodi
Universal, DreamWorks and only recently WB are all DTS supporters. Indeed, Jurassic Park was the first film released in DTS and that was a Universal film.
DreamWorks release DTS on DVDs - American Beauty and The Last Castle are two examples I can think of.
Warner didnt support DTS, but are now just starting to provide it on some titles, e.g. the Batman movies.
Yes yes yes yes yes, but that was YEARS ago!!!
Back in the early to mid years of DVD (1996 to about 2003), Universal and DreamWorks released just about every title of theirs in DTS on DVD. Since about 2004, DTS just simply disappeared in Uni and DW's "radar".
As for Warner, DTS sound on their DVDs has always been non-existant except for the following: "Twister" (a film that DTS founder Steven Speilberg had a hand in as it's executive producer), "American Outlaws" ( the film company Morgan Creek is a DTS proponent -- had Morgan Creek not made this film, this DVD would have been just another Dolby Digital DVD), and "Batman & Robin" (Tim Burton's "Batman" and "Batman Returns" don't count because, in their THEATRICAL exhibitions back in 1989 and 1992, they pre-date DTS by four years and one year respectively......"Batman Forever", while it was THEATRICALLY released during the DTS era, was mixed in Dolby Digital ONLY -- therefore, it does not count as a true DTS codec).
Fortunately, thanks to importing, I do own Warner's "Terminator 3" (imported from Britain) and "Phantom of the Opera" (imported from Japan) DVDs with their originally intended DTS mixes from their theatrical exhibitions.
It is good to see studios like Paramount to finally be releasing more DTS-encoded DVDs, but they have a LOT more work to do -- I don't think Paramount should limit DTS sound on DVD to sci-fi films like the 'next-generation' "Star Trek" films (all of which were mixed theatrically in DTS) and the upcoming re-release of "Event Horizon". How about the "Mission Impossible" films or "The Relic" or the "Tomb Raider" films.
Lionsgate is starting to impress me, and I can almost always count on 20th Century Fox for delivering DTS-encoded DVDs of their films (which, of course, were DTS-mixed theatrically).
I'm a very picky viewer, with more than my share of cheers and jeers to the above-mentioned studios these days.
I will say this......I will not support either HD-DVD nor Blu-Ray if certain studios do not get the message. I also tend to agree that HD-DVD and Blu-Ray are wasted technologies anyway.
If they can't deliver the intended goods (DTS, most importantly), then they are not worth spending my hard-earned money with, as well as not worth my time.
Jodi
Adrian wrote: Green Hornet wrote: Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems HD-DVDs are a seamless transition from regular DVDs. You can buy any HD-DVD and watch the standard 480i definition version of the movie on your regular DVD player. Then later say in a few years you can buy a HD-DVD player, and you already have the HD version of the movie on the same disc.
I can't see how this would be true. They would have to encode two different versions of the movie and the extras/menus/etc on the disc. This would take up quite a bit of space. I can't imagine why they would want to use that space for 480p video.
I thought that is what they would do, if there is no standard DVD layer what do they do with the extra room on the disc. Furthermore what is even the point then, of putting the standard 480 definition version of the movie onto the HD-DVD in the first place.
Also will they come out with a Component-HDMI/DVI converter? Now it would seem unlikely, since component doesn't have pure digital signal but that means many people wont even be able to get an HD-DVD player, especially those who bought their HD sets when they were still very expensive. X-box 360 doesn't have HDMI connectivity, but they are releasing a HD DVD player attachment, wouldn't they need some sort of a component converter then????
I can't see how this would be true. They would have to encode two different versions of the movie and the extras/menus/etc on the disc. This would take up quite a bit of space. I can't imagine why they would want to use that space for 480p video.
I thought that is what they would do, if there is no standard DVD layer what do they do with the extra room on the disc. Furthermore what is even the point then, of putting the standard 480 definition version of the movie onto the HD-DVD in the first place.
Also will they come out with a Component-HDMI/DVI converter? Now it would seem unlikely, since component doesn't have pure digital signal but that means many people wont even be able to get an HD-DVD player, especially those who bought their HD sets when they were still very expensive. X-box 360 doesn't have HDMI connectivity, but they are releasing a HD DVD player attachment, wouldn't they need some sort of a component converter then????
I think Laser Disc will win.
Green Hornet wrote:
Also will they come out with a Component-HDMI/DVI converter? Now it would seem unlikely, since component doesn't have pure digital signal but that means many people wont even be able to get an HD-DVD player, especially those who bought their HD sets when they were still very expensive.
They already exist. I post a link once, but they rightly removed it because it is necessary for a HDMI/DVI to component converter to remove the copy protection. They are fairly easy to find using google. It's pretty sad that for the most part ways to break copy protection exist before the copy protection is even released.
Also will they come out with a Component-HDMI/DVI converter? Now it would seem unlikely, since component doesn't have pure digital signal but that means many people wont even be able to get an HD-DVD player, especially those who bought their HD sets when they were still very expensive.
They already exist. I post a link once, but they rightly removed it because it is necessary for a HDMI/DVI to component converter to remove the copy protection. They are fairly easy to find using google. It's pretty sad that for the most part ways to break copy protection exist before the copy protection is even released.
"I think Laser Disc will win."
I sometimes think this might the true comparison for HD and Blu-Ray--not VHS versus Beta but VHS "versus" laserdisc, with one becoming the common man's imprint (HD, I guess) and one becoming the video snob's favorite (Blu-Ray.)
I sometimes think this might the true comparison for HD and Blu-Ray--not VHS versus Beta but VHS "versus" laserdisc, with one becoming the common man's imprint (HD, I guess) and one becoming the video snob's favorite (Blu-Ray.)
Are they already selling HD DVD players? I mean, this is a waste of money! You can already buy an inexpensive DVD player an buy something like "Phantom of the Opera" for about $7.99 right now instead of $24.99 for the HD one.
sildu wrote: One problem, please tell me that we will be able to play our standard dvds on these HD and Blu-ray disc players. If not, to hell with both of them. As some people pointed out, I have way too much money invested in dvd to upgrade to this. Please tell me that these new players will be backwards compatible. If not, it will never be worth it to me.
Yeah thats what I also want to know. There is no need to get it if you not even can play your invested DVD collection on the new players
Yeah thats what I also want to know. There is no need to get it if you not even can play your invested DVD collection on the new players
Both HD DVD and Blu Ray players will indeed play Standard Definition discs.
Michael Friedrichsen wrote: sildu wrote: One problem, please tell me that we will be able to play our standard dvds on these HD and Blu-ray disc players. If not, to hell with both of them. As some people pointed out, I have way too much money invested in dvd to upgrade to this. Please tell me that these new players will be backwards compatible. If not, it will never be worth it to me.
Yeah thats what I also want to know. There is no need to get it if you not even can play your invested DVD collection on the new players
I'm pretty sure that both format players will cope with DVDs - it's one of the only sure-fire ways to convince some of the fence-sitters to come over to the new formats. Toshiba's HD-XA1 is definitely touted as being backward compatible.
On another note, and answering my own question from earlier, I had a scout about and found Dolby's white paper on Dolby Digital Plus. While it is true that to fully utilise the benefits of the sound format you'll need an amp that can cope with the up to 3Mbp/s data rate (and feasibly beyond!), part of the spec - and importantly, something that Dolby will not issue a DD+ licence without apparently - is that equipment must be able to downsample the stream to 640kb/s Dolby Digital and output it through SPDIF as well as the full unfettered DD+ through HDMI and/or FireWire. Any DD amp can cope with 640kb/s, even though it's likely that all you will have ever thrown at it will be 448kb/s from DVDs (my DD Live soundcard outputs at the higher rate and the amp copes nicely).
Which is nice, as I've not long bought a new DD/DTS amp.
White Paper here for the tech heads out there
Yeah thats what I also want to know. There is no need to get it if you not even can play your invested DVD collection on the new players
I'm pretty sure that both format players will cope with DVDs - it's one of the only sure-fire ways to convince some of the fence-sitters to come over to the new formats. Toshiba's HD-XA1 is definitely touted as being backward compatible.
On another note, and answering my own question from earlier, I had a scout about and found Dolby's white paper on Dolby Digital Plus. While it is true that to fully utilise the benefits of the sound format you'll need an amp that can cope with the up to 3Mbp/s data rate (and feasibly beyond!), part of the spec - and importantly, something that Dolby will not issue a DD+ licence without apparently - is that equipment must be able to downsample the stream to 640kb/s Dolby Digital and output it through SPDIF as well as the full unfettered DD+ through HDMI and/or FireWire. Any DD amp can cope with 640kb/s, even though it's likely that all you will have ever thrown at it will be 448kb/s from DVDs (my DD Live soundcard outputs at the higher rate and the amp copes nicely).
Which is nice, as I've not long bought a new DD/DTS amp.
White Paper here for the tech heads out there
I like the universal HD DVD covers the best. they have that cool silver banner.
Staying out of the format war. The cost must come down for the players, the bugs must be worked out, and the downgrading of discs to 480 dpis (if you don't have a HDMI hook up) must go.
David Blackwell wrote: Staying out of the format war. The cost must come down for the players, the bugs must be worked out, and the downgrading of discs to 480 dpis (if you don't have a HDMI hook up) must go.
If reports are to be believed then the 'Image Constraint Token' will not be enforced by any of the studios in the immediate future, and all of the titles announced will be playable in full res across analogue connections. Don't know how long it will last, but I reckon it'll stay that way until someone 'wins' (which obviously won't be the consumer).
It's the only time the studios have seen sense so far in all this, and it's the early adopters who will have bought LCDs and plasmas without HDMI who are more likely to go high-def in the early days - and the studios don't want to p**s them off before they get a decent sales base.
If reports are to be believed then the 'Image Constraint Token' will not be enforced by any of the studios in the immediate future, and all of the titles announced will be playable in full res across analogue connections. Don't know how long it will last, but I reckon it'll stay that way until someone 'wins' (which obviously won't be the consumer).
It's the only time the studios have seen sense so far in all this, and it's the early adopters who will have bought LCDs and plasmas without HDMI who are more likely to go high-def in the early days - and the studios don't want to p**s them off before they get a decent sales base.
Most of us guys on here, are dvd addicts!
We live and breathe dvd, and the studios and tech companies are having trouble convincing us to shell out like £1000/$1000+!
The entire joe public that are essentially gonna decide this format war in their masses are just NOT gonna shell out that kinda money for dvd players, most of them are happy to goto their local asda(walmart-usa) and pick up a FULL dvd player for £19.99!!
They dont care about 5.1 and HD playback, they just wanna play their movies as inexpensivley as possible.
F*** them you may say, but keep in mind this, its THEM the masses that need to buy into the next format, and until it comes in at a realistic price, I think your gonna have a hard time convincing them otherwise.
Also the region coding is gonna be a stumbling block, loads of my friends have over 200 dvds all region 1, so are these gonna play on a uk HD/blue-ray player?
I think HD will have a place in the future years, but just not right now, LOTS of people have their dvd players just hooked to their tv's, no 5.1 set up or anything, 5.1 is out there just now for under £50 but people are HAPPY with stereo from their non HD dvds!
Dvd took off so quickly for 1 reason alone it WAS affordable, currently HD&BR is NOT!!
I second someones post on here, wait for the DUAL players, the technology IS there!
We live and breathe dvd, and the studios and tech companies are having trouble convincing us to shell out like £1000/$1000+!
The entire joe public that are essentially gonna decide this format war in their masses are just NOT gonna shell out that kinda money for dvd players, most of them are happy to goto their local asda(walmart-usa) and pick up a FULL dvd player for £19.99!!
They dont care about 5.1 and HD playback, they just wanna play their movies as inexpensivley as possible.
F*** them you may say, but keep in mind this, its THEM the masses that need to buy into the next format, and until it comes in at a realistic price, I think your gonna have a hard time convincing them otherwise.
Also the region coding is gonna be a stumbling block, loads of my friends have over 200 dvds all region 1, so are these gonna play on a uk HD/blue-ray player?
I think HD will have a place in the future years, but just not right now, LOTS of people have their dvd players just hooked to their tv's, no 5.1 set up or anything, 5.1 is out there just now for under £50 but people are HAPPY with stereo from their non HD dvds!
Dvd took off so quickly for 1 reason alone it WAS affordable, currently HD&BR is NOT!!
I second someones post on here, wait for the DUAL players, the technology IS there!
herby247 wrote: Dvd took off so quickly for 1 reason alone it WAS affordable, currently HD&BR is NOT!!
DVD didn't take off as quickly as you might think. My first DVD player cost $550 when I purchased it in late March of 1997, and that was for what I think was the cheapest Panasonic model I could find. It was over two years later that mass merchants such as Wal-Mart started offering players in the $300 range, and it wasn't until 2001 that DVD player sales first out did VHS by offering even cheaper players. When you take into consideration the increased costs of inflation and the technology incorporated into these new formats versus DVD of 1997, the initial price of these players isn't all that bad even if the pricetag will be prohibitive to a lot of people, though I doubt a lot of you ran out to replace your VHS players with brand new DVD ones in 1997 when those players first hit the market here in the U.S. anyway. The technology will be affordable one day to where most people can go down to Wal-Mart and pickup a player, but just like DVD it may take it a couple of years.
DVD didn't take off as quickly as you might think. My first DVD player cost $550 when I purchased it in late March of 1997, and that was for what I think was the cheapest Panasonic model I could find. It was over two years later that mass merchants such as Wal-Mart started offering players in the $300 range, and it wasn't until 2001 that DVD player sales first out did VHS by offering even cheaper players. When you take into consideration the increased costs of inflation and the technology incorporated into these new formats versus DVD of 1997, the initial price of these players isn't all that bad even if the pricetag will be prohibitive to a lot of people, though I doubt a lot of you ran out to replace your VHS players with brand new DVD ones in 1997 when those players first hit the market here in the U.S. anyway. The technology will be affordable one day to where most people can go down to Wal-Mart and pickup a player, but just like DVD it may take it a couple of years.
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