WillDThrill wrote: Actually, Redacted is loosely based on the Mahmudiyah Killings, to which the Marines WERE found guilty.

So what's the moaning about then!??

I guess that means we do see wrong and punish it!
So whats the crying about?

Care to name one single incident where, after the COUNTLESS atrocities against men women and children, the 'other side' has arrested and punished any of their 'soldiers' (ha ha) who have slaughtered unarmed fellow Muslims in their tens of thousands?
NO...didn't think so.

Then I guess the point is proved and the difference between modern civilisation (even with its faults) and dark ages religious fanaticism and barbarity that just happens to be the Worlds fastest growing POLITICAL religious cause.

So I don't think we need yet another sand in the face flick in the middle of a war we are trying to win thanks.
As 'Lincoln6Echo' rightly said:

 Quote: Actually, Hollywood  used to be conservative and very patriotic.  Back in the day of WWII.  Hollywood not only made war movies during the war, but they made pro-Allied propaganda films.  They wouldn't DARE make a anti-Allied film in those days.  In fact, the thought never crossed their minds.

You can make all the liberal moaning stodge all you want once the troops are back home and not in a warzone (that's if home has not become a warzone).
The fact is Hitler and the Japanese Emperor would have LOVED this fetid attitude in Hollywood being around in WW2.
And that says it all.

Politically that is not so much about Iraq (as I think the war is garbage, we never should have removed Saddam's leash, as we have seen by the piles of heads on street corners and in the mutilate bodies of women down alleyways that occur once pure Islam has freedom), but more to do with the general attitude politically about the rest of the war on terror.
A war that we either win...or our entire cultures and history will be destroyed more fully than Hitler could have ever dreamed of.

With stakes like that...you can keep you leftist, liberal, blind, self-hate Hollywood scripts to yourself.

The first thing Islam did when it took over power in Somalia was to shoot dead 2 people for watching the World Cup, and broke up a wedding at gun point because music was being played!

But you lot carry on being flippant!
Enjoy the Super Bowl while you can.
 

mlcm...So I see you are bringing me up personally for attack.
I guess I have right to reply then, as I was polite enough not to mention you.

I care not one bit what a loathsome apologist thinks of me.  You'll find out what this war is about when you see a crescent flag hanging over what used to be your Government buildings and you are woken up every morning by a call to prayer from you local mosque.
And don't be late either...Saudi Police recently killed a man by frightening him into a heart attack because he was washing his car and not doing one of his five a day prayers.

HAPPY CHRISTMAS TO YOU ALL!!!

What, no special edition?  I smell a double-dip here...

mlcm wrote:
American troops are being put under the microscope with negative incidents because they are being held to a higher ethical standard. We expect a lot more from the "civilized" troops because they come from the God-beloved United States of America.

Yes, but a few bad apples does not a bad orchid make.

The problem is that the media, the human-rights watch groups, and in this case, film-makers, ignore the absolute aweful atrocities committed by the other side.

Islamists can chop of the heads of all of their captured victims and get no press, but put underwear on someone's head and it's an international disgrace worth months and months of coverage.

I'm tired of the "good guys" being held to such high standards in a war for civilization itself.  While the "bad guys" not only get no scrutiny, but they get a pass as their considered "animals".

The reason why this war hasn't gone as good as it should have had is because our own media is working against us!  It's disgraceful and these nutwits in the entertainment business and certain media outlets should be brought up on charges of treason.  Yes, treason...for  giving aid and comfort to the enemy...which is EXACTLY what they're doing!  And they need to start with that jackass Sean Penn.

brendon wrote: Wow.

So, in a case where EVERY party contains those who are committing atrocities, filmmakers should ONLY condemn one side?  As I said - nonsense.

Brian De Palma has made a film about one facet - not a film that could EVER be called an Al Qaeda recruitment film, as simply taking a second to think about what Al Qaeda would actually want recruits to believe - and he is being attacked for not making a film about other facets of the situation?

Jeez.  That's a politicised, vaguely fascistic version of condemning The Godfather because it wasn't about eh Police Force/FBI etc;

Oh look!  Here's that poor guy that sat in the theater all alone watching this thing.  

mlcm wrote: Dave Brock, there MUST be films out there that celebrate your personal politics of loathing Hollywood. There must be. I mean, the LDS community has their own entire film industry.

Hollywood puts out liberal stuff because Hollywood is generally liberal and has been since before Hollywood was Hollywood. The theatre and arts are generally more leftist leaning, so it can't be any surprise whatsoever that a film is extolling the sins of war.


Actually, Hollywood used to be conservative and very patriotic.  Back in the day of WWII.  Hollywood not only made war movies during the war, but they made pro-Allied propaganda films.  They wouldn't DARE make a anti-Allied film in those days.  In fact, the thought never crossed their minds.  

But ever since the Vietnam War, Hollywood took a decided and sharp Left turn and it has taken those rare patriotic directors to make a pro-US war film.  With maybe the exception of Speilberg and SPR and Band of Brothers.

With regards to Redacted, I always find it interesting, yet saddening, that some people will go see a film because it's supposed to be "thought-provoking" or "shocking".  How about if people see or don't see movies, because they may or may not insult our intelligence.  

This is why I avoid all Michael Moore films, because I don't wanna sit there and be lied to for ~2 hours.  Oh, but wait...he's a "satarist"....well bulls**t...he's a [leftist] propagandist.  

So I'm not gonna go see a film that takes one negative incident and turns it into a broad paintbrush for our whole military.

It'd be like making a movie about Abu Graib.  What a freakin' bore.  Not to mention, at least those prisoners still have their heads to which the underwear was placed.

brendon wrote: Er... Stubby, if you;d like to flesh your argument out a little.  At the moment it just seems like utterly unfounded tripe.

(Trick question: you can't flesh your argument out and still have it make ANY kind of sense - because it IS utterly unfounded tripe)

So, Xenophobes won't like this - but they have their own problems.

Er Brendon.So nice of you trying to read mind .I'll make it real simple for you:
Most folks, pro or anti-war say they support the safety of our troops. This film's entire focus is on the atrocities they commit. The film will serve to fuel anti-american behavior. Just remeber what a little Danish cartoon picture did a tear or so ago.
I am not a supporter of the war in Iraq. I'm very cynical of all national governments . However , I do love my country and in times of war the entertainment industry needs to have a little common sense with the messages they convey.
I have no problems with anti-war films. I have a problem with an American movie that verifies Al Qaeda's propaganda.And no matter how well-acted or technically proficient the film might be does not wash out my feelings above.  

Dave Brock, there MUST be films out there that celebrate your personal politics of loathing Hollywood. There must be. I mean, the LDS community has their own entire film industry.

Hollywood puts out liberal stuff because Hollywood is generally liberal and has been since before Hollywood was Hollywood. The theatre and arts are generally more leftist leaning, so it can't be any surprise whatsoever that a film is extolling the sins of war.

Most of these political films I've seen you get in a tizzy over are films that aren't anti-American or pro-Middle East; they're trying to put forward a thesis more complex than simply "war is bad" or "america is bad" or "the arabs are bad". There's much too much complexity in the world for such binary thinking, in my opinion.

I will try and watch this film because I'm interested in it as a film, and as a political statement. Say what you want about dePalma, but very few people have the technical chops he does.

kevinnash wrote: Platoon tagline: "Innocence is the first casualty of war."

Redacted tagline: "Truth is the first casualty of war."

...very original.

The "Redacted" tagline is actually the original:
"...'The first casualty when war comes is truth,' was coined by Hiram Johnson a Republican politician from California who served in the United States Senate for nearly 30 years, beginning in the midst of World War I and concluding with his death in 1945--as it happens, on the same day the U.S. dropped its first atomic bomb on Hiroshima..."

The movie wasn't rejected because no one's had a chance to reject it.  Its widest release, according to BoxOfficeMojo, has been fifteen theaters.

Actually, Redacted is loosely based on the Mahmudiyah Killings, to which the Marines WERE found guilty.

In the last few months 40 women have been  tortured, mutilated and finally murdered for not wearing Islamic enough dress in Basra.

Care to do a film on that Brian?

Yes the Iraq war was garbage.  
Yes Bush and Blair should have been kicked out of office.  
Yes Saddam was a Muslim problem (even if Muslims it seemed did not care despite how many Muslims he killed or chopped the ears off)

But no, it's not our fault that once Saddam was gone the Islamists he was keeping on a leash decided to take Iraq back for Allah (hence the homosexuals hung from bridges, the Christians murdered and those not Islamic enough being butchered) or that neighbour decided to turn on neighbour because he was a different type of Muslim (because we were foolish enough to think Islam was not still dwelling in the dark ages on both counts).

It's like getting rid of Hitler and then watching in disbelief as the German people started butchering each other because Klaus was a different 'type' of German from Hans.

But the fact is the ONLY films about Iraq or anything after 9/11 are so rabidly anti-West and anti-American that they may as well be pro-Islamist.

"Team America" covered it perfectly.
It had the Bush nutters going on about WMD's yes.
But it also had a pop at the hippie morons who thought that Iraq was all chocolate covered trees and candy floss clouds.

Quote: It's loosely based on the Haditha Incident, isn't it?  A case now that has been thrown out as each Marine has been vindicated.

And you know what? THAT is the point all these leftists and self-loathing hippies ignore.
That IF and when American troops or British troops do something it's seen as a CRIME.
It's treated like a crime.
People are arrested and put on trial.
NO ONE states it's right or acceptable.

Whereas what they also like to ignore is the fact that the truly grotesque, utterly barbaric, on a MASSIVE scale atrocities carried out by the Islamists are not seen as wrong or crimes by their own people.
They are seen as GREAT ACTS, HOLY ACTS, the acts of a true soldier of Allah.

THAT is the difference.
When was the last time someone who carried out or ordered the butchery of women and children, or unarmed civilians, or worshippers in mosques was then arrested and condemned by the rest of his comrades???
Where are the Islamist commanders and troops being arrested by their own people and put on trial for atrocities?
NOWHERE.

So Brian DePalma can moan all he wants, but at least his country sees such things as wrong (if they actually happened!) not things that bring those responsible closer to Heavenly paradise.

it seems to me that there really hasn't been a movie about Iraq, pro-war or anti-war, that has made any money since Three Kings...politics aside, I think this movie was mostly rejected by the public because it sucked.

mcswainiac wrote: may i be the first to announce...it's not a documentary.

Fixed, sorry about that!

may i be the first to announce...it's not a documentary.