great eyes wide shut and clockwork are great movies, but shinning is beyond overrated. not as overrated as LOTR but still overrated

why do studios still waste disc space by adding that useless 2.0 track? i mean seriously it's 2005, who dosen't have a 5.1 system

Quote: Originally posted by steve buckbeak
eyes wide shut and clockwork are great movies, but shinning is beyond overrated. not as overrated as LOTR but still overrated
I strongly disagree EWS has an interesting score but otherwise is a waste of space.

I still can't believe the director's cut hasn't been shown in the States. Digital wizardry over the sex scenes, whatever next.

Clockwork Orange is very good and The Shining is a masterpiece, easily one of the most scary films I've ever seen (along with Ringu, the original). When Jack goes psycho oh man that scarred the crap out of me and when his wife finds Jack's work!!!

Quote: Originally posted by steve buckbeak
why do studios still waste disc space by adding that useless 2.0 track? i mean seriously it's 2005, who dosen't have a 5.1 system
I agree the 2.0 soundtrack is a waste of  space when you consider:

A: Very, very few people actually ever use it. The default audio track is always DD5.1 and most people leave it set at that.
B: DD5.1 is backwards compatible to Mono. I can't tell any difference between DD5.1 outputted as Stereo and DD2.0 Stereo.

That said a DD2.0 soundtrack takes all of 100-150Mb of space and considering 90% of DVDs use no way near all the space available (it being DVD-5 or 10 mainly) removing the DD2.0 soundtrack would just mean more empty space.

If the space was re-used to improve the video quality I doubt very much it would make any difference, we're only talking about 100-150mb of space here.

This is why I think it's left. They include it because they can and it adds an extra option, without sacrificing quality. Having said there are times the DD2.0 or DD1.0 soundtrack is of importance many 5.1 mixes are remixes so the original 2.0 or 1.0 soundtrack does serve a purpose (e.g - Many old school martial arts films or pre-1990s Hollywood films).

Clockwork Orange and The Shining are two examples where they were originally shown in DD2.0 (AFAIK) many fans do not like 5.1 remixes as they often add new foley affects or at the very least alter the way the sound was originally used (ego not the Director's Cut).

p.s - My Dad has only just got 5.1, my Mum only has  a 14" mono TV and while she'll get a new TV in the next few years it will only be Stereo. I can't see her ever getting or being interested in 5.1/6.1.

As regards why it is stereo, it is well known that Kubrick always seemed loathed to alter any of his films (apart from the smudging in "Eyes Wide Shut) after their release, so it could be that these were the  best existing soundtracks so they put them on. Who knows?

Are you having a laugh?

Quote: Originally posted by steve buckbeak
maybe i just need to buy better speaker wires
Yeah...I bet that's the problem.

I always want the option of having the original audio mix for a film included on a DVD in addition to any remastered tracks, whether its DD 2.0, DD Mono, or whatever, and it has nothing to do with my surround sound system.