I quite liked the film, although as others have said it was more like an extended TV episode, I was gutted the Wesley Crusher scenes were cut out so I'll probably get this edition.

I looked at the deleted scenes over the weekend.   Five new deleted scenes along with the scenes that were on the original DVD.  The new scenes have those ugly watermarks.  I'll look at the DVD more after I get through another DVD I'm watching.

"There wasn't enough closure at the end, unlike Undiscovered Country"

The original ending certainly gave a sense of closure.  There was a genuine feeling that it was the end of the Next Generation, but sadly, the Powers-That-Be got greedy when they began to watch the movie coming together, thinking that they had a great movie that would clean up at the box-office...

...boy, if only they were able to sling-shot around the sun and travel forward in time to see it die, they'd have stuck with the original ending!

Agreed. And if I remember correctly, it wasnt just Lord of the Rings they were up against...the Harry Potter film was showing, as was the last James Bond film. Its like those films are seen as "epic" whereas Trek films are kinda like "The Next Chapter" and should be released when they arent going to be overshadowed so easily. The huge DVD sales of Nemesis were quite suprising to Paramount when it was first released, which says something. I only go to see about 2 or 3 movies a year anymore because its way too expensive, but I was determined to see this one. I remember asking my friends who are Trek fans to go with me, and every freakin one of them told me they were going to see Lord of the Rings and couldnt afford two movies; or my friends with kids that knew they were gonna be stuck with taking the kids to see Harry Potter and couldnt afford to go to see another movie for awhile. Granted there were other issues here, but bad, bad timing was certainly one of them. The success of the first Nemesis DVD release is one of the main reasons Paramount is considering another Trek film at all.

Still, this film could have used more than just Logans love of the franchise. In that first DVD release, I remember seeing the deleted scene between Data and Picard that Logan wrote, and couldnt understand for the life of me why it was deleted---it sets up the connection between the two quite well for the ending, just as the scene between Kirk and Spock did in STII: Wrath of Khan. After listening to Stuart Bairds commentary on the first release, it was obvious what Logan was going for with some of the deleted material, but especially with this scene being cut it seems to me that Baird just didnt "get" Trek. Not a bad director, just someone with no feel for the franchise. I cant be too far off the mark, since before the film was even released, this quote was leaked to a Trek site: "Marina Sirtis (Troi) has made some disparaging remarks against director Stuart Baird saying his unfamiliarity with Trek has hurt the film." I wonder if Berman hired him, rofl.

Altho I thought they could have come up with some even better ideas from past TNG episodes, and despite the director being out of touch, I still thought this was a good movie overall. The screenplay by Logan (who also wrote Gladiator) couldnt be ruined, imho. Ironically one of my friends that waited for Rings instead of seeing Nemesis thinks this and WoK are the best movies, and whenever this is on he mentions regretting not going to see this at the theater, lol.

Now if the supposed prequel "Star Trek: Beginnings/Romulan Wars" actually happens, I cant help but wonder if that film will serve to reinvigorate the franchise, or put a nail in the coffin. Can only pray for the best, I guess. (*sigh*) Ahhh....I miss the Glory days of Star Trek....

Easter Eggs I wonder what the Easter Eggs will be?

God, don't use the words DVD and Soon so close together.

Quote: Originally posted by Bob "the film man"
what killed the movie was that it was released right before the Two Towers.
As far as the theatrical release goes, I totally agree with you; I always wondered if Paramount really understood the juggernaut they were putting themselves against by releasing this one week prior to the second LOTR film here in the states and assuring that the film would not reach a broader audience past the diehard Trek fans. The film's release date aside though, this is still a subpar film that would have done better at the box office if it had actually good; when word of mouth got out that it wasn't, it made the decision on which film to see that second weekend for people all the easier.

I actually didn't think this movie to be all that bad. In my opinion, what killed the movie was that it was released right before the Two Towers. I do hope there will be another trek movie.

Had this preorderd from the second it became available on amazon. I agree it isn't the best, but I still quite enjoyed it. Then again I am a pretty big TNG nut. I liked insurrection too. I can't wait to have this to complete my collection. Been waiting long enough.

I wasn't going to double dip, but now I'm very tempted -- especially seeing that they have this new section on the Romulan Empire.  If anyone gets this, could you please post what you thought of that section? I'd appreciate that.

Final Frontier is the worst, but Nemesis comes a very close second. The film plays out like it was written by about five different people who never talked to each other. That said, I suppose I'll pick it up just to complete the collection and check out the deleted scenes, especially since it's usually on sale the first week pretty cheap.

I see Berman's ego has finally gotten so big that he has to do a commentary track himself. Maybe he'll give us some insight into how he ran the franchise into the ground.

Only Trek SE I have is First Contact, because it was only a fiver on import. Actually, I guess the DC of TMP counts as an SE, but they never released a single disc release so it's not strictly an 'upgrade'. I have the single disc of this film, which I found no more objectionable than any of the weaker entries in the series.

It's certainly better than Final Frontier, but nowhere near as good as the best. I'd put it on a level with Insurrection, as an enjoyable flick that's basically just like an extended episode of the show. Not the best way for the characters to bow out though. There wasn't enough closure at the end, unlike Undiscovered Country. Still, looks like a nice DVD set.

Nice looking menu's. Too bad it's for such an aweful movie. I actually put it below Star Trek V as the worst one ever. Insurrection I actually put under Star Trek V too. At least Star Trek V had those memorable scenes when they were camping. Oh well, I gotta get this to complete my Star Trek collection. Then finally, I'm done with the movies.

Quote: Originally posted by Kenny Hitt
It's a watermark.  When a screener tape or disk is distributed, the recipient's name is watermarked onto the image so that, if it is distributed/pirated, the production company knows whose copy was the source of the leak.

I guess we know who the leak is then...

Nice to see a Star Trek disk with deleted Footage. I'll be picking this up even if it was only a "ok" movie.