mc_serenity wrote: pitdeadite wrote:
 This movie upholds the tradition of horrendous comic book 'threequels'. It seems that even a talented filmmaker like Nolan is not immune to the curse that has long plagued Hollywood. This movie had it all in spades. Horrible fight choreography, atrocious editing, and massive gaps in logic.

Seems like you had astronomical expectations for this movie, and it didn't please you. Did you not even see Joel Schumacher's Batman movies and Pitof's c**ptacular "Catwoman"? Nowhere is it as bad as those movies. So bring your expectations down to earth next time, bud.

 Comparing bad movies doesn't really help your cause. My complaints were stated above and I don't believe that they were unreasonable. I could have elaborated on the 'massive gaps of logic', but I'm not trying to be here all day. Next time, I suggest leaving the assumptions at home and try to focus on what was actually stated.

pitdeadite wrote:
 Comparing bad movies doesn't really help your cause. My complaints were stated above and I don't believe that they were unreasonable. I could have elaborated on the 'massive gaps of logic', but I'm not trying to be here all day. Next time, I suggest leaving the assumptions at home and try to focus on what was actually stated.

Your initial premise was a comparison between other comic book movies and threequels.

Da B-Meister wrote: As a major Batman fan, I very much enjoyed this movie. But come on already with the Ultraviolet....that stuff is C**P! Why does Nolan have to be a jerk and not include deleted footage that they'd already filmed (i.e. Bane's background).

I gues UV does suck HOWEVER  don't use digital copies(unless I REALLY want it on my laptop) I send them to my brother.

As for the deleted scenes, I couldnt agree more. Thats what my prior post on here said, IF the second release coming in 2013 will include deleted scenes then I'm all there. He'd be really cool to include TDK deleted scenes as well or at least alternate Ledger takes.

mlcm wrote: pitdeadite wrote:
 Comparing bad movies doesn't really help your cause. My complaints were stated above and I don't believe that they were unreasonable. I could have elaborated on the 'massive gaps of logic', but I'm not trying to be here all day. Next time, I suggest leaving the assumptions at home and try to focus on what was actually stated.

Your initial premise was a comparison between other comic book movies and threequels.

 I stated that there was a well known notion/curse of Hollywood dropping the ball once the third comic movie arrived. But I tried to stay as focused as I could, by mentioning why I thought the film failed to deliver. That is the area I would expect others to zero in on, to truly have a great discussion on the subject matter. Spouting off other movie titles doesn't really bring anything to the table to help refute the claims of others.

mlcm wrote: Do you think "massive gaps in logic" are the most pressing issue with a film? I'm not singling you out, but there is a rather curious mode of (genre) criticism that focuses exclusively on "logic" - what some would negatively characterize as "nit-picking". I'm interested in figuring out why gaps in logic are such deal-breakers for people. Not to minimize your criticisms, but gaps in logic isn't the most important element of a movie by far. I admit that films should be internally consistent, but the logic problems offered by detractors of TDKR isn't really convincing me that the film is terrible.

A more reasoned and easily demonstrated criticism would be the film's atrocious exposition-laden dialogue, eg. "The clean slate program? You mean the thing that magically does this and that for the fulfillment of character motivation?"

 Well as I stated before, I also had major problems with the choreography and the editing. Nolan seems like a director that doesn't want to cut anything out, so the audience is forced to watch parts that should have been delegated to the deleted scenes section on the DVD. As for the "gaps in logic", when you watch a movie, sometimes you will come across a scene/detail/character that rubs you the wrong way. So you tell yourself that it's only a movie and you move on so that you can enjoy the rest of the film. But when more and more of those start to pop up, you continue to question the logic of the filmmakers and it literally takes you out of said movie. It has the same power as someone in the theater opening up their cellphone and you have no choice but to be drawn to that white glare. In both cases, your attention is being taken away from enjoying the film. To me, this film is packed wall to wall with those moments.

jeffdmia wrote: hey, Warner Brothers......i HATE UltraViolet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    I want my I-Tunes digital copy file!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Then buy a digital copy from iTunes. Pretty simple fix.

BTW, this isn't the Warner Bros website so I doubt your 12 year old rant will be heard by anyone at Warner Bros.

BIGPotterFan wrote: Exactly. It's not nitpicking when the gaps in logic pull you out of the movie. All the little logical fallacies pile on by the end of the film, and after a point you stop taking it seriously. From the opening prologue sequence to the very end of the film, the movie just didn't make sense in various different points. Batman Begins and The Dark Knight were very consistent in being somewhat grounded in reality, while Rises breaks this consistency and becomes cheesy to the point that it'd rival "The Amazing Spider-Man". I am shocked when I read people saying that this was "the best film of the year" or something silly like that. Go see the film again, and take those fanboy shades off. I am a HUGE Nolan fan but I am not blind enough to see that this was arguably his weakest film to date.

If all had gone well with Rises, it could have been the greatest trilogy of our time, but Nolan simply blew it...

Just because something is his weakest film doesn't make the film terrible. I agree, I think TDKR is Nolan's worst film, second only to Insomnia. However, I still don't think TDKR is a complete failure, but neither do I think it's a complete success. This desire for films to be one or the other speaks to the economics of the film industry which cascades into a critical approach of false dichotomy. Why can't TDKR be an entertaining film with flaws that manages to successfully sum up many of the themes introduced in the two previous Nolan Batfilms? Why does it have to be either "the best film of the year" or the worst film of Nolan's career? Where is the reasonable middle ground?

I think Gabe's review of Prometheus does a lot of this critical work for me, so that I can demonstrate an example of excellent criticism that dispenses with the histrionics that most people seem to engage in.

TDKR isn't the best film of the year, nor is it the worst. And neither is it (on its own) a complete success or a complete failure. Rather, it's an interesting misstep that still manages to satisfy the thematic interests of the rest of the trilogy.

Plus, Bane is utterly hypnotic!

I gotta say. The cinematography (mostly thanks to the IMAX cameras) was absolutely spectacular. And the action sequences were wonderfully filmed and planned. And I will buy it on blu-ray.

But I gotta say, this movie had just about as many plot holes as "Inception." Starting with the whole, "Hey guys. I'm Bane. I just blew up your football stadium, killed your mayor, blew up all of your bridges, trapped all of your cops in the sewers (because your police department thought it best to put EVERY cop except John Blake down there) and now I'm holding you hostage with a nuclear  bomb. So let me read you a speech from Commissioner Gordon that reveals his deception. And all of you have every reason to trust me that he actually wrote this. Know why? Because Jim Gordon carries this speech with him everywhere and I picked it off of him when he came to investigate a crime in the sewers. So just trust me, okay. Now, it is time to liberate your city and give it back to you citizens, including these angry, violent criminals I'm about to release. Liberation! And don't count on Batman to save you. I stole all of his money, broke his back, put him in a dark prison in a completely different hemisphere, and there's no way he's making it back. Oh wait, what, he's back? His back is fixed despite no professional medical care and he got here with absolutely no money whatsoever?!?!"

Movieplotholes.com has a very, very long article about all the plot holes in this movie. On the other handThe ones for "Batman Begins" and "The Dark Knight" are very short

There's a website that catalogues movie plotholes? If that isn't one of the saddest most misguided things I've ever learned about the Internet and film.... I seriously can't think of anything more detrimental to film discourse than a website that organizes itself around plot holes.

mlcm wrote: BIGPotterFan wrote: Exactly. It's not nitpicking when the gaps in logic pull you out of the movie. All the little logical fallacies pile on by the end of the film, and after a point you stop taking it seriously. From the opening prologue sequence to the very end of the film, the movie just didn't make sense in various different points. Batman Begins and The Dark Knight were very consistent in being somewhat grounded in reality, while Rises breaks this consistency and becomes cheesy to the point that it'd rival "The Amazing Spider-Man". I am shocked when I read people saying that this was "the best film of the year" or something silly like that. Go see the film again, and take those fanboy shades off. I am a HUGE Nolan fan but I am not blind enough to see that this was arguably his weakest film to date.

If all had gone well with Rises, it could have been the greatest trilogy of our time, but Nolan simply blew it...

Just because something is his weakest film doesn't make the film terrible. I agree, I think TDKR is Nolan's worst film, second only to Insomnia. However, I still don't think TDKR is a complete failure, but neither do I think it's a complete success. This desire for films to be one or the other speaks to the economics of the film industry which cascades into a critical approach of false dichotomy. Why can't TDKR be an entertaining film with flaws that manages to successfully sum up many of the themes introduced in the two previous Nolan Batfilms? Why does it have to be either "the best film of the year" or the worst film of Nolan's career? Where is the reasonable middle ground?

I think Gabe's review of Prometheus does a lot of this critical work for me, so that I can demonstrate an example of excellent criticism that dispenses with the histrionics that most people seem to engage in.

TDKR isn't the best film of the year, nor is it the worst. And neither is it (on its own) a complete success or a complete failure. Rather, it's an interesting misstep that still manages to satisfy the thematic interests of the rest of the trilogy.

Plus, Bane is utterly hypnotic!

Yes I agree with you, and not this film is far from terrible. But I'm a huge Nolan and Batman fan, and I was utterly disappointed with this film. It was just shocking to see such an intelligent director make such a flawed film, not that he was never gonna slip, I just didn't want him to make his first slip with the last Batman film.

I am just going to wait for the 2013 Ultimate Collector's Edition.
I just buy the movie of Direct Tv to see it because I never saw it in theaters .

And the extras on the blu ray are very very week at best .I hope they have some kind of memorial for all the victims you died in Colorado on the Ultimate Edition or something  

Well bad new here the new info for when the Ultimate Edition come out next fall yep that right no spring or summer next fall .WOW that sucks

Calling all ‘Dark Knight‘ fans: start saving your money and circle your calendars now. In the fall of next year, Warner Bros. will release ‘The Dark Knight Trilogy: Ultimate Collector’s Edition’ DVD and Blu-ray box set.

Details on the ‘Dark Knight Trilogy’ box set are scant at this point but as part of a press release celebrating their 90th year, Warner Bros. announced a Q3 date for the ‘Ultimate Collector’s Edition.’ We can assume this will include ‘Batman Begins,’ ‘The Dark Knight’ and ‘The Dark Knight Rises‘ but what else?

Hopefully there will be a bonus disc of new, never-before-seen features because, otherwise, what’s the point? We’d also speculate that there will be some nice, fancy packaging as ‘Ultimate Collector’s Editions’ often do. What you likely won’t see are any Director’s Cut as Christopher Nolan has ruled that out in the past.

What would you like to see included on the ‘Dark Knight Trilogy: Ultimate Collector’s Edition’ box set? A gag reel? The original Bane audio?