I really don't care about the audio glitch Why dont you all just stop complaining about a stupid audio glitch and just watch the movies for once. i'm a big fan of the movies and i've seen all six of them but  I don't have the DVD's yet but i'm planning on getting them for my b-day. anyway from what ive been reading to me it just seems that you guys are just paying to much attention to the audio and not enough attention to the movies them selves. Oh and about all the changes. I think Lucas figured out a very good stratigy for tying the movies together. especially at the end of ROTJ by adding Hayden Christiansens face for the reveal because it just makes sense. and that's it.

I REST MY CASE

This isn't the only instance of the film being flipped. Boba Fett is flipped in Jaba's palace, and I've got a feeling the reason they digitally altered the insignias on the officers in TESB was because they flipped the film. Happens a lot.

Episode IV is screwed Well not only there is a "bug" of changing the rear (music) channels in episode IV... (no way of "artistic decision" at all!!)

I watched all 3 episodes in a raw and in comparison to epsiodes V & VI (which indeed are absolutely great to me), the sound quality and the surround mix itself is very poor in episode IV. Music is often almost unhearable and placed in totally different position to episodes V & VI. It's very obvious - just listen to IV and then try V or VI; you must hear it yourself...

BUT there is another issue; the sound quality of dialogues in IV is totally screwed!! Those sound mostly very "dull" (lack of high frequencies) and noisy (like tape hiss e.g. no restoration at all) but some takes (even within one scene) sound VERY clean and pristine (like restored too much). For example watch the scene where Leia is made to watch the destruction of Alderaan; you WILL hear it for sure...
All this makes watching (hearing) episode IV very unpleasant :-(
This doesn't happen in V & VI at all so again NO CHANCE of artistic decison...
You DO NOT have to be an audiophile nor to have a best-quality sound system to hear these. Just select the stereo track, watch the TV and you will notice the same issues...

Well I am really happy to have the DVD trilogy (better than nothing) and episodes V & VI are really great (at least from the sound and picture quality point of view) but let's face it; episode IV is totally screwed... :-(

I've no idea how many were made, but they seem to be plentiful enough on eBay and the like. There were different releases though. For example, the SEs had altered dialogue for many scenes (Luke's line of 'You're lucky you don't taste very good' is changed to 'you were lucky to get out of there'. I was watching my originals the other night and noticed that the blaster didn't make a 'bang' noise when Leia uses it against the troopers in the first film, but there is on the SE release. The 'closwe the blast doors' line is also missing from my originals. The audio mixes have changed a lot of the years.

Aside from the LDs themselves of course...

Quote: Originally posted by Chris Gould
Put it this way, it's a very big clue for our latest competition...

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Quote: "...as we get to the end of the movie, as he joins the Force he is able to retain his original identity. It's because of Obi Wan and Yoda, who learn how to do that; how to join the FOrce at will and then your identity, but it was his identity as he was when he died as Anakin Skywalker."

Nothing conclusive there, as he doesn't directly reference the replacement of Shaw with Christensen. Vader turned away from the dark side of the Force before he died, proving what Luke said earlier about there still being good in him. He gained redemption through his actions and was no longer Darth Vader, but Anakin Skywalker. Lucas didn't need digitally ram this down our throats with a poorly inserted shot of wooden boy.[/b]

I don't think it is the greatest idea either, but what are you going to do? George is doing what he thinks is best for HIS movies, not doing what you think is best for movies that someone else created. If you made Star Wars and I made the change, I would say "I'm sorry, your right. I made a big mistake and it won't happen again.", but since your name isn't anywhere in the credits I think you should just deal with it.

hey Chris.... Hey Chris, what do your numbers mean in your signature? Is it the precise moment that Katie Holmes flashes her breasts in "The Gift"?? :-p

Fox didn't send us a reviewcopy I'm afraid! I'm not sure if Chris is planning to review his own personal copy or not...

Quote: Originally posted by Eva Unit02
I was slightly saddened when I heard of this change.

Sure, Temuera Morrison is a fine, proven actor (see Once Were Warriors - (I really can't remember how he was in AotC, haven't seen that nonsense since it was in theatres)); but he lacks the cold menace that Jeremy Bulloch originally provided.

Jeremy Bulloch didn't do the original voice, a bloke called Jason Wingreen did.

I'm not gonna censor it, but I'd prefer if people didn't discuss bootlegs on here. It'll only get us into trouble...

Tom will probably censor it, but it doesn't bother me. What you do on your own time and all. Personally I've never seen any Star Wars bootlegs and would have no idea where you can get them. Nosiree, not me...

He says it just before we actually see Hayden appear...

well I didn't want to sound prissy but.... Well I didn't want to sound prissy but I also owned the definitive edition on Laserdisc, and yes that was very impressive... I must admit, I miss the tour of the Lucasfilm archives with Don Beis... anywho... at that time in my life I didn't have access to any sort of non-stereo surround sound device.

And anyway, whats wrong with providing something to those who have never had access to that something before?

Boo I must be a communist. John Howard will be shocked.

They always will Quote: Originally posted by Matt Thompson
You do realize just how many actors and actresses were overdubbed for the '81 re-release, right?  Nobody major... just Beru.  The DVDs maintain the original SE credits, and I somehow doubt Lucas is forcing the older actors to re-pay those checks Lucas provided [/b]

Of course - This has been going on for ages (over dubbing) and will always be there.

At the end of the day, this is how Lucas wanted it and this is how he got it....

Oh well - 'tis life.

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*If you have already purchased and received the original widescreen version, please call 1-888-703-0010 for information on how to receive a pre-paid envelope to return the original version for exchange.

The only way to identify the corrected versions is that the new packaging has a "V2" printed near the bottom of the screen format/bar code sticker. This will indicate that the set contains the remastered versions of BTTF 2 and BTTF 3.

u dont understand about jango and boba watch episode 2 again ofcouse bobas voice was best changed hes a clone of jango they supposed to be the same person man watch episode 2 again u dont understand boba is not jangos son hes his clone and george lucas is the one who created star wars he made all the changes he wanted and i say leave it he can do what he wants hes the master mind behind it all and to me the dvds came out great i hope episode 3 will be the best of all dont leave anything out all jedi should fight till the end

Anyone who has ever played in a symphony or marching band can tell you that the set's audio is screwed up.  When a film is scored, the orchestra is arranged in a certain way so that the maximum acoustic effect is produced when the film's sound effects and dialog are mixed.  Certain instruments are meant to complement each other...strings with strings, horns with horns, woodwinds with woodwinds, bass and drums with bass and drums.  Even a slight tweak, such as flipping two score channels, can have a devastating effect on the entire sound mix.  Instruments that complement each other are no longer mixed together, and therefore the engineer does not have accurate volume levels to work with when mixing the audio.

I'm almost willing to bet even money that the "phantom fanfare" may actually be a direct result of this audio flop.  Had the score been mixed correctly, and the baseline volume for the brass set properly, it probably would have been a lot more clear.

Star Wars DVD There is nothing wrong with the dvd set! Some clown is trying to keep people from buying them! Probibly because they don't have the money to buy there own.....

That's sounds VERY un-Lucaslike.

Well anway, consider you lot in the US luckier than us in the UK - our DVD still has the original SE Fox logo and the old Lucasfilm logo.

But for Episodes V and VI, it's the new ones they use with the PTs. It's annoying as it shows the original film is OLD.

If i remember, Lucas is investing all his money (well availbable money for STAR WARS) into the AEs of the movie saga.

He always intended to release all 6 films in their ULTIMATE versions in 2007 - however, Fox essentially pushed an earlier release of the film.

Rather than getting the new version of the film which they've been working on since 2000, this release is just the SE with some extra stuff added. This is not a new version of the OT, nor can we really say it's different to the SE - this is still the SE from 1997, just tweaked a little more.

In 2007 however, we're getting 6 all new films. Not just with deleted scene replaced back in, but an proper re-edit of all 6 movies, new score recording, new special effects and newly filmed scenes, with new features. 6.1 audio and new transfers are two things which will be important - we'll also be getting 100% how Lucas sees STAR WARS, not just part of it.

Whilst the PT might not be so different, the original STAR WARS films will not be the same film as we're seeing in today's available DVD. Sequences will be re-edited, new stuff put in, lines removed, lines added, un-cut sequences, more violence, etc. It'll be how Lucas sees the films, and if you see Lucas's original ideas which weren't allowed to be done, and then think of these in motion, the films will be an easy PG-13/R rating.

Williams has said he's looking forward to re-scoring all 6 films together - he even said it'll be like ONE long film, so the following can be assumed:

- the scroll at the beginning will be removed, and a voice-over or summin explains what has happened between each episode in a new sequence.

- all the movies will be in one box set, rather than seperate. This'll mean it can viewed as one film put together, and LOTR is also planning to do the same in the future also.

- they'll have many new links, and also possibly impliment non-Theatrical subplots. As it's DVD, it doesn't need to follow the rules of cinema, so they can do extra stuff.

They have grand plans to essentially re-edit, re-score and re-work all 6 films together, and make them one film. This is why they have called it the Archival Editions - the definite, library edition. Un-abridged, un-cut and Lucas's original vision of the STAR WARS Mythos.

... For those who are scratching their heads wondering why oh why people like me and Chris are so peeved with this boxed set, Chris himself answered that. Let me elaborate.

The new DVD’s (Phantom, Clones) have been given the ultimate care, naff films undeserving of such quality production. The Star Wars Trilogy DVD's have been in production for ages, and they SHOULD be perfect as some of the most critically lauded films of all time (only really applies to the first two). 99% isn’t good enough when fans have waited this long for the supposed 'definitive versions'...but sure, TPM and AOTC are pretty spotless though aren’t they, as polished as DVD's come...are they honestly worthy of it? Nope, are they buggery. Lucas made sure they got it though didn’t he. Considering they were more complex films to handle (from a technical point of view) they came out on top form.

As for the critics not noticing this, well, what do you expect? Of course only audiophiles actually looking for flaws of this nature are going to notice, being a critic doesn’t mean we know everything and can spot absolutely everything that may be amiss.

Stop Whining Will Star Wars fans ever stop whining.  They whined for years the movies weren't available.  They whined when they though they'd have to wait until after the prequel trilogy.  They whined when they found out the DVD's would be the Special Editions.  And now that the disks are out they're picking them apart and finding fresh topics to whine about.  Give it a rest adn just enjoy these fantastic films on DVD.  

Who really cares??? Who really cares that the violins come from this speaker and the cellos from that speaker? Just sit back and enjoy the freaken movie!! If I recall, most of us (the non-Laserdisc owners) were previously watching the classic trilogy on VHS in STEREO...

Quote: Originally posted by Worst Nightmare
I feel sorry for the actors whose voices or images have been over-written / dubbed. Imagine buying this thinking you were part of this historic occaision when only to go home and discover in front of your friends and family you have been erased.....

I must admit though that my copy now sits proudly with my collection with the original vhs boxed set!

You do realize just how many actors and actresses were overdubbed for the '81 re-release, right?  Nobody major... just Beru.  The DVDs maintain the original SE credits, and I somehow doubt Lucas is forcing the older actors to re-pay those checks Lucas provided

is this all you have got to worry about??? if this is all you have to worry about you are really lucky. just appreciate it for what it is - a box set of 3 of the best films. so what if there are changes or little glitches? i'm more than happy with it.

Quote: Originally posted by Sh!tfaced C@ckmaster When did Lucasfilm ever issue a statement that the TPM DVD image quality was perfect?

They issued a statement saying that no edge enhancement had been applied. Ever seen those halos? If it isn't edge enhancement there's something else seriously wrong.

Lucas is the best thing in the world! Lucas Rulz!!!! Period!!!!!!

Lucas Rocks,He made the best movies ever,STARWARS!

I agree And I didn't mean for that post to come off as an attack.  But Chris seems pretty sure that it's an audible glitch any DVD reviewer would pick up on, and none of them dead.  It's not nearly as "obvious" as someone would have you believe.  

Wait... You'll pick up on it, Chris?  DVDFile didn't pick up on it.  Home Theater Forum didn't pick up on it.  DigitalBits didn't pick up on it.  Everybody whose "job it is" do pick up on these things missed it.  It wasn't until Neil flooded the internet that anybody noticed.

Quote: Originally posted by Chris Gould
And you believe everything they say, right? There are no image problems with the TPM DVD. No sir, not a single one...
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When did Lucasfilm ever issue a statement that the TPM DVD image quality was perfect?

By "Star Wars" i take it you mean Episode IV (proper title since 1979, so i think we should call it that).

I don't know - it's probably just something he wanted to do to annoy the "Original versions ONLY" "fans" out there - only they would be particularly bothered or notice it and be annoyed.

General audiences wouldn't notice, so it's probably part of Lucas's revenge to the people he dislikes (the "other" fans in the community).

Personally, I like this set and believe it was worth the price paid. The "audio glitch" did not bother me as much as the Hayden add-on at the end of ROTJ.

No recall because it is not a glitch, the sound is ment to be that way...

... My parents bought it for me at Sams Club here in Miami, FL for $44! Its an excellent set.

 

Quote: Originally posted by james grose
These are George Lucas's films. If he wants to change them, he will change them. If you don't like it, deal with it.

Read the review of this DVD over at dvd.ign.com
I totally agree with what they say.

Don't tell me to deal with it. I'm perfectly entitled to voice my opinion on whatever topic I see fit. Just because Lucas has the power to change them it doesn't mean it's a good idea. As a filmmaker he opens himself up to the same criticism that any artist has to endure, especially when his alterations have a detrimental effect. Most filmmakers who release director's cuts at least have the decency to inform people (the new changes aren't even acknowledged) and usually offer both versions of the film. Anyway, this article isn't about the changes, it's about the poor quality control. For the length of time they've had this release should have been perfect.

I read IGN review back when it was first posted, and it's not particularly in-depth. Why do you assume I'm going to alter my opinion based on a review anyway?

... These are George Lucas's films. If he wants to change them, he will change them. If you don't like it, deal with it.

Read the review of this DVD over at dvd.ign.com
I totally agree with what they say.

Matt Why? You'll then have something else to complain about, because the 30th Anniversary HD will be even more different from the current release, probably both visually and sonically.

Skip

your question answer because they say when a jedi or sith dies he looks like the way he was when he was with the light when anakin was last with the light he look like the way he is in episode 3 thats why they changed it to that i say that was cool
also the emperors voice is changed in episode 5 to the new one and boba feits voice is now the equal to jangos hey they are the same person u know

Quote: Originally posted by g m
and there are also some surprises like the end of episode 6.

How anyone can think that's a good change I'll never know...

A penny saved...make that 7000 pennies. Quote: Originally posted by Zachary Nickson
Congrats, Lucas!  You're an idiot.  Ha ha ha!

The reason I say this is because Lucasfilms was asked about these errors, and they issued a press release saying that all supposed errors are "creative changes".  Yeah, right.  I'm glad I saved my money.

Awesome, just awesome Congrats, Lucas!  You're an idiot.  Ha ha ha!