may wanna put a update in there that the blu ray  directers cut will include the Watchmen the end is Nigh for ps3

and by the way ill say this again digital copies arent bad i prefere them over ripping cause i have to worry bout watermarks in dvds and or video audio being out of sync but with digital copys i know i get a good portable copy right out of the bat.

Ultimate edition in 6 months for me....

DTS-HD MA? OMG, Wow Warner we are definitely improving our discs! Way to go! :D

p.s Tom you so totally rock! Thanks for the very early back cover. First to do so!

Master Audio on a Warner title? Whatever next? I was expecting TrueHD.

I hate that they're pushing Blu-Ray so hard. Adding all those extra Blu-Ray exclusive special features and what not. I really want to get a Blu-Ray player, but they're so freakin' expensive!

lee09 wrote: DTS-HD MA? OMG, Wow Warner we are definitely improving our discs! Way to go! :D
I don't really see how this is an improvement. I mean lossless is lossless, hence PCM = TrueHD = DTS-MA, in terms of their efficiency. The only benefits I see for using DTS-MA is for those who still use optical and they can get DTS Full Bitrate 1.5 Mbps instead of DD 640 Kbps.

But yeah it's rare for Warner to use DTS, I remembered the last time they did was probably for Batman Anthology (SD Release).

BoBoi wrote: lee09 wrote: DTS-HD MA? OMG, Wow Warner we are definitely improving our discs! Way to go! :D
I don't really see how this is an improvement. I mean lossless is lossless, hence PCM = TrueHD = DTS-MA, in terms of their efficiency. The only benefits I see for using DTS-MA is for those who still use optical and they can get DTS Full Bitrate 1.5 Mbps instead of DD 640 Kbps.

But yeah it's rare for Warner to use DTS, I remembered the last time they did was probably for Batman Anthology (SD Release).

Its all a matter of preference. Lossless might be lossless but you can't help the fact to comprehend that DTS has always sounded clearer and much crispier than anything Dolby Digital related. You should see how that is an improvement, shouldn't be so ignorant, this is the first Warner Blu-ray disc to feature a DTS-HD Master Audio track. If Warner choose that encoding soundtrack is because it will obviously be the ultimate sounding experience.

Grifter02 wrote: BoBoi, don't bother trying to explain the concept of lossless codecs to the DTS fanboys, it's over their heads.

I take it that by that remark your giving you must be a Dolby fanboy and/or a DTS basher? Im not a fanboy to anything relating DTS, am in between when it comes to soundtrack encodes, but if I had to choose between Dolby and DTS, it will obviously be DTS. To me it has always had a more satisfying soundstage. Something Dolby would have a hard time competing with. It can't be helped. Its as easy as that.

BoBoi wrote: lee09 wrote: DTS-HD MA? OMG, Wow Warner we are definitely improving our discs! Way to go! :D
I don't really see how this is an improvement. I mean lossless is lossless, hence PCM = TrueHD = DTS-MA, in terms of their efficiency. The only benefits I see for using DTS-MA is for those who still use optical and they can get DTS Full Bitrate 1.5 Mbps instead of DD 640 Kbps.

But yeah it's rare for Warner to use DTS, I remembered the last time they did was probably for Batman Anthology (SD Release).

By the way BoBoi, any real audiophile would have much preferred a The Dark Knight Blu-ray edition with a nice kick of DTS-HD Master Audio. Am saying that because of your signature pic.

And p.s! If I were to be talking about SD DVD I would have mentioned the Batman Anthology carrying one, but since this is Blu-ray and its an HD Master Audio soundtrack and the first WB Blu-ray to carry one, things can't be on the same relating level, now can it?

lee09 wrote: Its all a matter of preference. Lossless might be lossless but you can't help the fact to comprehend that DTS has always sounded clearer and much crispier than anything Dolby Digital related. You should see how that is an improvement, shouldn't be so ignorant, this is the first Warner Blu-ray disc to feature a DTS-HD Master Audio track. If Warner choose that encoding soundtrack is because it will obviously be the ultimate sounding experience.
Warner chooses? This is only an one-off case, and it's highly likely that Zack Snyder was the one that chose to use DTS-MA. Same thing with Spielberg on Close Encounters release.

It's not an improvement. There is no more 'kick' on DTS-MA. DTS and Dolby are encoding technologies, they are not doing the encoding, all they are doing is providing the studio their technology. It depends on the studio master and the team who is doing the encoding. There are plenty of TrueHD tracks that are far better than DTS-MA tracks, and vice versa.  

Ignorant huh? It's pretty ignorant to suggest that one lossless codec is more efficient than others. That is ignorant at the highest level.

lee09 wrote: By the way BoBoi, any real audiophile would have much preferred a The Dark Knight Blu-ray edition with a nice kick of DTS-HD Master Audio. Am saying that because of your signature pic.

And p.s! If I were to be talking about SD DVD I would have mentioned the Batman Anthology carrying one, but since this is Blu-ray and its an HD Master Audio soundtrack and the first WB Blu-ray to carry one, things can't be on the same relating level, now can it?
Real audiophiles? You mean you? There are as many Reference TrueHD tracks as there are for DTS-MA. And no, no real audiophiles would want DTS-MA on TDK, because the True-HD track on TDK is already at reference level.

Same relation? What are you talking about? I mentioned that to simply suggest that Warner used DTS before. And of course there are differences between DTS and DD on SD, since DTS on SD is capable of much higher bitrate than DD. It's not the same on HD, since both have the same capabilities of encoding lossless audio at similar/same bitrate.

BoBoi wrote: lee09 wrote: Its all a matter of preference. Lossless might be lossless but you can't help the fact to comprehend that DTS has always sounded clearer and much crispier than anything Dolby Digital related. You should see how that is an improvement, shouldn't be so ignorant, this is the first Warner Blu-ray disc to feature a DTS-HD Master Audio track. If Warner choose that encoding soundtrack is because it will obviously be the ultimate sounding experience.
Warner chooses? This is only an one-off case, and it's highly likely that Zack Snyder was the one that chose to use DTS-MA. Same thing with Spielberg on Close Encounters release.

It's not an improvement. There is no more 'kick' on DTS-MA. DTS and Dolby are encoding technologies, they are not doing the encoding, all they are doing is providing the studio their technology. It depends on the studio master and the team who is doing the encoding. There are plenty of TrueHD tracks that are far better than DTS-MA tracks, and vice versa.  

Ignorant huh? It's pretty ignorant to suggest that one lossless codec is more efficient than others. That is ignorant at the highest level.

lee09 wrote: By the way BoBoi, any real audiophile would have much preferred a The Dark Knight Blu-ray edition with a nice kick of DTS-HD Master Audio. Am saying that because of your signature pic.

And p.s! If I were to be talking about SD DVD I would have mentioned the Batman Anthology carrying one, but since this is Blu-ray and its an HD Master Audio soundtrack and the first WB Blu-ray to carry one, things can't be on the same relating level, now can it?
Real audiophiles? You mean you? There are as many Reference TrueHD tracks as there are for DTS-MA. And no, no real audiophiles would want DTS-MA on TDK, because the True-HD track on TDK is already at reference level.

Same relation? What are you talking about? I mentioned that to simply suggest that Warner used DTS before. And of course there are differences between DTS and DD on SD, since DTS on SD is capable of much higher bitrate than DD. It's not the same on HD, since both have the same capabilities of encoding lossless audio at similar/same bitrate.

Please, just bite your tongue, because you obviously don't know what your talking about. The Dark Knight should be entitled to sound more profoundly dynamic coming from a DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1 source than anything Dolby, no matter if its TrueHD. I love both codecs, but DTS has always taken the win. It's fine by me if you can't accept it, I know you're a TrueHD fanboy, but yes!, any real audiophile can prove you out that DTS is and will always be the ultimate in surround sound experience. Enough said.

Grifter02 wrote: lee09 wrote: I take it that by that remark your giving you must be a Dolby fanboy and/or a DTS basher? Im not a fanboy to anything relating DTS, am in between when it comes to soundtrack encodes, but if I had to choose between Dolby and DTS, it will obviously be DTS. To me it has always had a more satisfying soundstage. Something Dolby would have a hard time competing with. It can't be helped. Its as easy as that.

You should take from my remark that I don't take sides in this silly "codec war" because lossless = lossless = lossless. You can't tell me you think DTS lossless is better than Dolby lossless and then tell me you're not a DTS fanboy.

Anyway, as I said, it's pointless trying to enlighten people like you on simple mathematics (ie. 2 + 2 = 4, every time, no matter what, it doesn't = 3 because you used a Dolby calculator instead of a DTS calculator), so I'm not going to reply to you again. I just wanted to clear up my stance on the topic.

Your previous remark and now your new opinion that you don't take sides on the "codec war" seems very contradicting from your part. The first response felt you were very much in favor of TrueHD instead. But anyhow, I love DTS and as I mentioned before I very much prefer it over TrueHD but I can't say am a enthusiastic fanboy of it like you on TrueHD for instance. The scenario you tried to used is very ludicrous, ha ha. (Dolby calculator instead of a DTS calculator) What the hell? lol

so stoked on this dvd release! cant wait to see teh directors cut...in the meantime i will just keep listening to hte soundtrack. check out this cool preview:

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpi...

WARNING:  Prepare for the DOUBLE-DIP, folks.

Yes, that's right, ladies and gents, as per a $10 off insert within the DVD, coming this December will be a 5-disc Ultimate Collector's Edition of WATCHMEN.  

What it will contain is:

A "whole new movie" which will be the DIRECTOR'S CUT with the TALES OF THE BLACK FREIGHTER woven in.  

New commentary by Dave Gibbons and Director Zack Snyder.

2+ hours of bonus content

and THE COMPLETE WATCHMEN MOTION COMICS