HELIOS H4000 HD Upscaling DVD Player (DVD)
Updated article with a few photos of this upscaling DVD player, now available.
Title: HELIOS H4000 HD Upscaling DVD Player
Released: 17th October 2006
SRP: $169
Further Details:
NeoDigits have sent over the details for their latest DivX/XviD upscaling DVD player. Released later this month, the H4000 slots neatly into the current Helios range, removing the networking facility and reducing the SRP appropriately. The H4000 supports 10 different resolutions and can output HD resolutions via HDMI, Component and VGA connections. The player also supports DVI via an adapter and the standard definition connections, S-Video and Composite.
Featuring a dual power supply, the player also supports 576i video output via HDMI for external video scalers as well as NTSC 720P/1080i/1080p support at 60hz and PAL 720P/1080i/1080p support at 50hz. Currently NeoDigits are offering the machine up for pre-order with free shipping so for information on that and more on the player, head over to their website.
News by David Beamish
Released: 17th October 2006
SRP: $169
Further Details:
NeoDigits have sent over the details for their latest DivX/XviD upscaling DVD player. Released later this month, the H4000 slots neatly into the current Helios range, removing the networking facility and reducing the SRP appropriately. The H4000 supports 10 different resolutions and can output HD resolutions via HDMI, Component and VGA connections. The player also supports DVI via an adapter and the standard definition connections, S-Video and Composite.
Featuring a dual power supply, the player also supports 576i video output via HDMI for external video scalers as well as NTSC 720P/1080i/1080p support at 60hz and PAL 720P/1080i/1080p support at 50hz. Currently NeoDigits are offering the machine up for pre-order with free shipping so for information on that and more on the player, head over to their website.
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Dunno I'll ask.
Just wondered if it was as good as the Oppo.
Can we get more pics of it?
I'll ask oh man of weirdest username ever.
Can you also please ask if the following is possible:
(background - I live in the US and have an NTSC/HDTV set up)
Could I pop in a widescreen PAL formated disc (like the new Doctor Who series) and would the player be able to upconvert the signal not only to HD (which, by the sound of the specs it can) but convert the frequency to 60hz) so I could watch the program in upscaled HD? I don't believe most US HD sets can display PAL or upconverted from PAL, so the player would have to convert on the fly.
(background - I live in the US and have an NTSC/HDTV set up)
Could I pop in a widescreen PAL formated disc (like the new Doctor Who series) and would the player be able to upconvert the signal not only to HD (which, by the sound of the specs it can) but convert the frequency to 60hz) so I could watch the program in upscaled HD? I don't believe most US HD sets can display PAL or upconverted from PAL, so the player would have to convert on the fly.
As tempting as this is, I think I have to hold myself back. I already have...
1: An Upscaling DVD Player
2: A DVD player with DivX support
3: A Region-Hacked, PAL-playable DVD player
4: A DVD Recorder with HDD
5: A PS2 (Not too applicable, but still)
All hooked up to my TV. Having two or three of those functions in one unit would be nice, though...
1: An Upscaling DVD Player
2: A DVD player with DivX support
3: A Region-Hacked, PAL-playable DVD player
4: A DVD Recorder with HDD
5: A PS2 (Not too applicable, but still)
All hooked up to my TV. Having two or three of those functions in one unit would be nice, though...
Also ask the location of the beach where they find these players: 
http://www.neodigits.com/images/pressroom/hvd20...
http://www.neodigits.com/images/pressroom/hvd20...
Now that's more my price range. A SRP of just $169 is pretty damn good. Looks like I may invest in one of these.
Ah s**t. I'm suppose to be reviewing this thing pretty soon here, and it looks like our readers have some pretty hardcore questions. Hopefully Dave can get these answered by the man at the company before I start writting.
MattMN, the earlier model, which I reviewed earlier this year, can convert PAL on the fly and upscale it. The best example I've seen on my TV (which is only 720p, not 1080p) was the UK DVD of Wolf Creek. That film was filmed in HD, and on the player it looked fantastic. My old, non-upscaling PAL to NTSC player (a JVC) had some problems with displaying PAL discs. The edges always danced and the overall image was always a bit soft. Comparing those two player (which are the only two I've ever had) I can say that the NeoDigits was vastly superior.
MattMN, the earlier model, which I reviewed earlier this year, can convert PAL on the fly and upscale it. The best example I've seen on my TV (which is only 720p, not 1080p) was the UK DVD of Wolf Creek. That film was filmed in HD, and on the player it looked fantastic. My old, non-upscaling PAL to NTSC player (a JVC) had some problems with displaying PAL discs. The edges always danced and the overall image was always a bit soft. Comparing those two player (which are the only two I've ever had) I can say that the NeoDigits was vastly superior.
dbeamish wrote: I'll ask oh man of weirdest username ever.
Was that aimed at me? What is weird about it?
Was that aimed at me? What is weird about it?
Hmm, it doesn't do 576p oddly, just std 576i PAL.
Tempting though.
Tempting though.
i12bnmovie wrote: dbeamish wrote: I'll ask oh man of weirdest username ever.
Was that aimed at me? What is weird about it?
it is a weird name i12bnmovie so I'd guess yes it was
Was that aimed at me? What is weird about it?
it is a weird name i12bnmovie so I'd guess yes it was
i12bnmovie wrote: dbeamish wrote: I'll ask oh man of weirdest username ever.
Was that aimed at me? What is weird about it?
yeah.. its weird. I don't get it.
I'll check on the 576p query napalm.
minor updates - 10 resolutions not 11:
The H4000 supports only 10 resolutions (PAL, NTSC, 576i, 720p, 1080i, 1080p, VGA (640x480), SVGA (800x600), XGA (1024x768), SXGA (1280x1024) and only 576i video output via HDMI for external video scalers.
Was that aimed at me? What is weird about it?
yeah.. its weird. I don't get it.
I'll check on the 576p query napalm.
minor updates - 10 resolutions not 11:
The H4000 supports only 10 resolutions (PAL, NTSC, 576i, 720p, 1080i, 1080p, VGA (640x480), SVGA (800x600), XGA (1024x768), SXGA (1280x1024) and only 576i video output via HDMI for external video scalers.
dumb question I am sure; is this multiregion or can it be made to be?
aye multi region
While you are reviewing this one, please check out how it handles non-anamorphic widescreen DVD's. About 10% of my collection is distorted on the 2825 since it treats everything as anamorphic (Original Dirty Dozen was the latest, along with most of the early Bond movies). Also, be sure to look at some older movies and TV shows to see how they look. The 2825 squeezed them, too.
Have you run into movies that hang up with the 2825? I would estimate about 1 in 30 hang while playing. Hang is consistant on a disk, but you can normaly skip to the next chapter break and watch the rest of the disk.
Have you run into movies that hang up with the 2825? I would estimate about 1 in 30 hang while playing. Hang is consistant on a disk, but you can normaly skip to the next chapter break and watch the rest of the disk.
On the older model I have to change out of progressive mode to watch nonanamorphic titles in the correct ratio. Apparently progressive HD will stretch everything.
Anamorphic
I have heard that the disks with anamorphic content contain a field that gives the "corrected" display ratio. Non-anamorphic titles don't have this field. Helios appears to "default" to one anamorphic value, instead of using 0 for the adjustment if the field is missing. Some VERY early titles were anamorphic without this flag - didn't work very well.
FYI - Anamorphic is a term from the old days when folks wanted to project a wide screen movie using a 16mm projector. The anamorphic lens was put on the projector to "stretch" the projected image along the horizontal axis without changing the content vertically. DVD's with anamorphic content do the same trick by compressing the vertical information into a smaller window. This lets the disk contain the full 520 lines of information while displaying it in a smaller space. Works best if the image is up-scaled.
FYI - Anamorphic is a term from the old days when folks wanted to project a wide screen movie using a 16mm projector. The anamorphic lens was put on the projector to "stretch" the projected image along the horizontal axis without changing the content vertically. DVD's with anamorphic content do the same trick by compressing the vertical information into a smaller window. This lets the disk contain the full 520 lines of information while displaying it in a smaller space. Works best if the image is up-scaled.
I just received this player and I'm not very happy with some of the features. I asked earlier if it could upconvert PAL to NTSC and output HD at the same time and was told it could. This player can't do both. Also, I'm getting horrible banding on the 1080i output. I played NTSC DVDs of Battlestar Galactica and it looked a lot better at 480p than 1080i (I have a HD WS NTSC Mitsubishi 65" TV purchased in Nov. 2002 and it can't handle 720p.)
My old player was a Malata 520 (which could zoom out to prevent overscan...this model cannot) - the Helios does do a better job of general PAL to NTSC conversion however. It can also handle more varieties of Xvid files - I had another player (Phillips 642 for DIVX/XVID) which wouldn't play some versions of XVid files. The Helios does play those just fine (and can upconvert them - although that doesn't really help, it just accentuates the blockyness and compression that is already in the .avi file.)
It also didn't recognize a few of my DVDRs (WhoFan's Series 2 Bootleg DVDRs that are posted on newsgroups) that both my Malata and Phillips did play with no problems.
My old player was a Malata 520 (which could zoom out to prevent overscan...this model cannot) - the Helios does do a better job of general PAL to NTSC conversion however. It can also handle more varieties of Xvid files - I had another player (Phillips 642 for DIVX/XVID) which wouldn't play some versions of XVid files. The Helios does play those just fine (and can upconvert them - although that doesn't really help, it just accentuates the blockyness and compression that is already in the .avi file.)
It also didn't recognize a few of my DVDRs (WhoFan's Series 2 Bootleg DVDRs that are posted on newsgroups) that both my Malata and Phillips did play with no problems.
Last week I bought via Internet the Helios HVD2085 (compuplus)and, for my surprise, I received the Helios H4000. I paid $139.99 + shipment.
Weird
Weird
lucky you
the 2085 is discontinued and the H4000 is the replacement.
Anamorphic
MattMN wrote: I just received this player and I'm not very happy with some of the features. I asked earlier if it could upconvert PAL to NTSC and output HD at the same time and was told it could. This player can't do both. Also, I'm getting horrible banding on the 1080i output. I played NTSC DVDs of Battlestar Galactica and it looked a lot better at 480p than 1080i (I have a HD WS NTSC Mitsubishi 65" TV purchased in Nov. 2002 and it can't handle 720p.)
It also didn't recognize a few of my DVDRs (WhoFan's Series 2 Bootleg DVDRs that are posted on newsgroups) that both my Malata and Phillips did play with no problems.
I'm working out a review right now, but my TV can get 720p. I'll send your post to the Helios people and see what they say. The only problem I've been having is the fact that the screen saver sometimes puts off the lipsync if you pause a disc rather than stopping it, which I'm sure is something they can fix.
I know as the reviewer I should know these things, but I'm not that smart so I'll ask anyway, forgive my possible ignorance. I think I misunderstood you question originally. I have had a couple of occasions where I needed to go back to the menu on a PAL disc to ensure it was playing HD, but it works for me. As far as the HD upconverting goes, it seems you don't have an HD set (if it can't get 720p), so watching films on 480p would be the better option.
Anyway, I haven't heard back from them in a while, which is why my review still isn't up (I had a few technical questions for them), but any other problems feel free to email me at gabe.powers@dvdactive, and I'll do my best to pass them along to the people in charge.
bchip50 wrote: I have heard that the disks with anamorphic content contain a field that gives the "corrected" display ratio. Non-anamorphic titles don't have this field. Helios appears to "default" to one anamorphic value, instead of using 0 for the adjustment if the field is missing. Some VERY early titles were anamorphic without this flag - didn't work very well.
FYI - Anamorphic is a term from the old days when folks wanted to project a wide screen movie using a 16mm projector. The anamorphic lens was put on the projector to "stretch" the projected image along the horizontal axis without changing the content vertically. DVD's with anamorphic content do the same trick by compressing the vertical information into a smaller window. This lets the disk contain the full 520 lines of information while displaying it in a smaller space. Works best if the image is up-scaled.
Yes, I do understand this. The player does stretch nonanamophic titles in HD mode. I don't think I have any titles that aren't 'flagged'. If you know a few you can check my collection on the link below and ask me a specific DVD to try if you'd like. As it stands, the 480p mode is the only way I can watch nonanamophic titles without distortion.
It also didn't recognize a few of my DVDRs (WhoFan's Series 2 Bootleg DVDRs that are posted on newsgroups) that both my Malata and Phillips did play with no problems.
I'm working out a review right now, but my TV can get 720p. I'll send your post to the Helios people and see what they say. The only problem I've been having is the fact that the screen saver sometimes puts off the lipsync if you pause a disc rather than stopping it, which I'm sure is something they can fix.
I know as the reviewer I should know these things, but I'm not that smart so I'll ask anyway, forgive my possible ignorance. I think I misunderstood you question originally. I have had a couple of occasions where I needed to go back to the menu on a PAL disc to ensure it was playing HD, but it works for me. As far as the HD upconverting goes, it seems you don't have an HD set (if it can't get 720p), so watching films on 480p would be the better option.
Anyway, I haven't heard back from them in a while, which is why my review still isn't up (I had a few technical questions for them), but any other problems feel free to email me at gabe.powers@dvdactive, and I'll do my best to pass them along to the people in charge.
bchip50 wrote: I have heard that the disks with anamorphic content contain a field that gives the "corrected" display ratio. Non-anamorphic titles don't have this field. Helios appears to "default" to one anamorphic value, instead of using 0 for the adjustment if the field is missing. Some VERY early titles were anamorphic without this flag - didn't work very well.
FYI - Anamorphic is a term from the old days when folks wanted to project a wide screen movie using a 16mm projector. The anamorphic lens was put on the projector to "stretch" the projected image along the horizontal axis without changing the content vertically. DVD's with anamorphic content do the same trick by compressing the vertical information into a smaller window. This lets the disk contain the full 520 lines of information while displaying it in a smaller space. Works best if the image is up-scaled.
Yes, I do understand this. The player does stretch nonanamophic titles in HD mode. I don't think I have any titles that aren't 'flagged'. If you know a few you can check my collection on the link below and ask me a specific DVD to try if you'd like. As it stands, the 480p mode is the only way I can watch nonanamophic titles without distortion.
Gabe, I see alot of info here about its supported resolutions and how it deals with non-amamorphic discs and all, but how's the over-all picture quality when compared to say a top-of-the-line Denon or Pioneer Elite model, persay? ie. does it have all the bells and whistles that those models have? In other words, what are the specs in those terms?
I can't afford a top of the line player to specifically compare to, but will say that the 4000 is obviously made by a smaller company. There are some bugs in the system (though my player is an early release, and it appears the UPS man dropped the damn box, so God only knows if anything was knocked loose), but the picture and audio quality are pretty great, at least in 720p mode. The only DVD I own two copies of is Suspiria (the LE and the non-LE are both in my house, and feature the exact same transfer). I compared the 2085 and 4000 side by side with this disc, and I did notice a very slight difference in the size of the digital blocking, leading me to say that this player is an improvement over the old one, but only just in the video field.
I apologize that I'm not the most versed technically on the site, nor do I have the top end equipment to test it to some readers liking, but if I'm given specific questions I'll do my best to get answers for my review when I finally finish.
I apologize that I'm not the most versed technically on the site, nor do I have the top end equipment to test it to some readers liking, but if I'm given specific questions I'll do my best to get answers for my review when I finally finish.
Gabe Powers wrote: I can't afford a top of the line player to specifically compare to, but will say that the 4000 is obviously made by a smaller company. There are some bugs in the system (though my player is an early release, and it appears the UPS man dropped the damn box, so God only knows if anything was knocked loose), but the picture and audio quality are pretty great, at least in 720p mode. The only DVD I own two copies of is Suspiria (the LE and the non-LE are both in my house, and feature the exact same transfer). I compared the 2085 and 4000 side by side with this disc, and I did notice a very slight difference in the size of the digital blocking, leading me to say that this player is an improvement over the old one, but only just in the video field.
I apologize that I'm not the most versed technically on the site, nor do I have the top end equipment to test it to some readers liking, but if I'm given specific questions I'll do my best to get answers for my review when I finally finish.
Well, I don't either...all I have is a P.O.S. Pioneer DV-434 player which get's one of those "steer clear by any means" ratings by DVD Benchmark. So I was just wondering about the 3:2 pulldown specs and stuff...
I apologize that I'm not the most versed technically on the site, nor do I have the top end equipment to test it to some readers liking, but if I'm given specific questions I'll do my best to get answers for my review when I finally finish.
Well, I don't either...all I have is a P.O.S. Pioneer DV-434 player which get's one of those "steer clear by any means" ratings by DVD Benchmark. So I was just wondering about the 3:2 pulldown specs and stuff...
Anamorphic
Gabe Powers wrote:
The only problem I've been having is the fact that the screen saver sometimes puts off the lipsync if you pause a disc rather than stopping it, which I'm sure is something they can fix.
Also I noted this. I expect can be resolved, since is a little annoying.
The only problem I've been having is the fact that the screen saver sometimes puts off the lipsync if you pause a disc rather than stopping it, which I'm sure is something they can fix.
Also I noted this. I expect can be resolved, since is a little annoying.
Gabe Powers wrote: ... nor do I have the top end equipment to test it to some readers liking, but if I'm given specific questions I'll do my best to get answers for my review when I finally finish.Maybe you should ask Chris or Mal to donate some 
oh and I assume i12bnmovie = I want to be in movies....
oh and I assume i12bnmovie = I want to be in movies....
TV shows on H4000
My specific concern with non-anamorphic has more to do with TV shows than older movies. It's a real hassle to change resoluctions on my projector and that's why I wanted an upcoverting player. I't a real hassle if I have to keep a second player for TV shows.
I received mine a week ago and I have a Mitsubishi 65" WD-65732 which has the ability to do 1080p over HDMI. This dvd player will not display 1080p on this tv! It did display 1080i very nicely but the whole idea is to get progressive. I thought maybe it was my tv I contacted Mitsubishi and they did their troubleshooting on it. I then asked Neodigits and told me it was a known issue with some TVs displaying 1080p. Isn't the whole idea of advertising it as an upscaling dvd player that can display 1080p over HDMI and component the whole idea of this dvd player? They said they are working on a firmware to fix this problem and that it is due around the end of December.
It did play my divx files very easily but with many of the fansub anime I have it cuts half of the subtitles off and at least from what I saw in the settings there is no way to adjust the edges of the screen from the dvd player.
It is really disappointing when the main feature of 1080p upscaling does not work with a pretty popular DLP tv.
It did play my divx files very easily but with many of the fansub anime I have it cuts half of the subtitles off and at least from what I saw in the settings there is no way to adjust the edges of the screen from the dvd player.
It is really disappointing when the main feature of 1080p upscaling does not work with a pretty popular DLP tv.


