Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem (UK - BD RB)
Chris Gould takes a look at the sequel to a spin-off of two separate franchises
Let me preface this review by saying that I’m a big fan of the original Alien, its follow-up Aliens, and the original Predator. However, I was not particularly enthralled by Paul W. S. Anderson’s stab at the franchise-crossing Alien vs. Predator, with its watered-down PG-13 violence and continuity busting storyline. I was pretty much unaware that a sequel was in the works until a few months before the release, but the promise of a return to the ‘R’ rated roots of both series and a fairly action-packed trailer gave me hope. Then I saw the film.

The events of Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem (hereby referred to as AvP:R) follow-on from those in the previous film. The body of Scar (the hero predator from the last film) has been reclaimed by the rest of his clan and transported to their spaceship. What they don’t know is that Scar has been impregnated by an alien face-hugger, and it’s not long before a tiny little alien/predator hybrid (the ‘Predalien’) chest-bursts its way out of his corpse and slaughters the crew, forcing the ship to crash-land on Earth (Colorado to be exact).
Luckily the predators were able to send out a distress signal to their home-world just before they were eviscerated, calling on the help of a secret ninja-assassin predator (nicknamed ‘Wolf’ by the filmmakers, after the character in Pulp Fiction) to help clean up the mess. Meanwhile, a number of face-huggers escape from the crashed ship and start latching themselves onto all-and-sundry, and it’s not long before the sleepy little town has a serious bug problem.
What follows is roughly an hour-and-a-half of stupid humans getting in the way of the two warring alien species, complete with plenty of super-shaky camera-work and a distinct absence of lighting. While there is some attempt at character development, it's all pretty basic stuff. The hero (a pizza delivery boy no less) pines for the hot girl, but just ends up getting his arse kicked by her stereotypical jock boyfriend. Said pizza boy's ex-con brother shows up looking suitably moody, but he's obviously not really a bad guy because he's friends with the (fairly inept) town sheriff. Oh, and there's a female soldier who returns from Iraq to find that she's somewhat 'alienated' (geddit?) from her young daughter.

The film's main failing is that there is really no plot beyond the basic concept of aliens fighting predators. It's as if no one realised that the creatures should be supporting characters, not given centre stage. If you look at the best films in each series, the monsters actually play a relatively minor role, appearing only briefly and to maximum effect. If they're constantly on-screen their impact is lessened. What made the earlier films great—particularly Alien and Aliens—was the strong human characterisation. We got to know and care about the people involved before they were ripped to pieces. In Alien you empathised with the crew of the Nostromo, and you couldn't help but root for Ripley, Newt and the marines in Aliens.
AvP:R features none of what made the earlier films great. The human characters are so thinly drawn that you don't sympathise with their plight enough to really care when they become alien chow, which pretty much leaves a bunch of mute beasties to carry the movie. This wouldn't be so bad if the end result was cohesive, but the the script is full of plot holes and seriously flawed logic. Anderson's original AvP might have been PG-13 tripe, but at least it had some semblance of a plot and at least one or two well-rounded characters (well, semicircular at any rate). It seems that the creators of this film thought that simply putting a load of creatures on screen and upping the gore quotient would be enough to satisfy the legions of alien and predator fans—they were sadly mistaken. It just makes me long for an adaptation of the original AvP screenplay that I read years ago.

Despite its UK '15' rating, AvP:R occasionally feels a lot 'nastier' than the films that came before it. This is probably because previously taboo victims are now considered fair game. Now I'm no prude, and it takes considerable amount of violence to shock me, but shots of aliens violently emerging from children and pregnant women felt misjudged to me. While this release was originally billed as featuring 'more action and terror' than the theatrical version, I couldn't spot anything different. I contacted Fox UK to make sure I hadn't been sent an early version of the disc (it does happen), but they informed me that the theatrical version is all we're getting on Blu-ray (at least until the inevitable 'double dip').
AvP:R is presented at its theatrical aspect ratio of 2.40:1 and encoded at 1080p using the AVC codec. When I viewed the film theatrically (yes, I was the one) I found it very difficult to actually make out what was going on because of the perpetual darkness, and this Blu-ray release is no different. However, it's hard to criticise the transfer for doing what it's supposed to do, i.e. remaining faithful to the source material. Thankfully black levels are solid (although if you're watching on LCD they can be more like grey levels), but the oppressive darkness does make the reviewing task that much harder because some of the finer detail is lost (possibly to hide bargain-basement creature effects).

However, before any of you get the wrong idea and think this is a poor transfer, let me assure you that it's actually one of the better looking titles in my collection—it just takes a bit of getting used to. Not only is the image entirely free from film artefacts, I didn't really spot any particularly obvious digital nastiness. Colour rendition is strong (if highly stylised), and despite my previous comments about the darkness obscuring certain things, the image is actually surprisingly sharp and detailed throughout. All-in-all this is a pretty impressive effort and should definitely please fans and videophiles alike.
Like most people I still lack the necessary hardware to decode the DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 soundtrack found on the disc (and probably will for the foreseeable future), but the 1.5Mbps legacy DTS Core makes for an impressive aural experience all the same. While the score is largely forgettable when it's not 'borrowing' elements from the original movies, the sound effects set the tone rather well. The familiar alien and predator screeches, hisses and clicks are all present, as are the cool effects of the predator's various technical gizmos (such as his advanced vision modes and dual plasma-casters).

Once the action kicks in the gunfire comes thick, fast and from all directions as the humans desperately try to stay alive. Bass is also very powerful (sometimes too powerful) and caused its share of ornaments to shake. However, the track is not without subtlety. You'll often hear ominous noises coming from behind you, such as the clicking of the predator's mandibles or a scuttling face-hugger, but even simple things like the chirping of insects in the forest are impressive. While not particularly important in the context of the movie, dialogue is always clear and well-balanced in the mix. As with the visual elements of the disc, Fox has delivered where it counts, and all-in-all this is a great track.
First up is a commentary track by the Strause brothers and producer John Davis. I was pleasantly surprised by the track, which moves along at a brisk pace and offers up some interesting information. There's not a lot of dead air during the ninety-minute runtime and Davis serves well as moderator to the sometimes over-enthusiastic brothers. The second commentary track features effects maestros Tom Woodruff Jr. and Alec Gillis and is by far the more technical of the two tracks. If you're into their work (and effects in general) then it will undoubtedly provide some useful information, and although there are numerous times where they run out of creatures to comment on they fill space with often-amusing banter.

The disc's only Bonus View (profile 1.1) feature comes in the guise of 'The Weyland-Yutani Archives', a sort of interactive dossier of all things alien and predator. The feature locked up my standalone BD player, but luckily I was able to view it using my HTPC. The archive is divided into sections that deal with different aspects of both species, such as physiology, behaviour and technology. These occasionally provide the opportunity to view video clips, but there's nothing that can't be found in the existing alien and predator films. Even so, it's a great little reference for dedicated fans and newcomers alike.
A series of eight standard-definition featurettes follow, the first of which is entitled 'Prepare for War: The Making of AVPR'. This is just your basic fifteen-minute promotional bit that features interviews with cast and crew alike, interspersed with clips from the movie and some behind-the-scenes footage. It actually manages to provides a reasonable level of depth, certainly more than most featurettes of this nature.

Next we have 'Fight to the Finish: The Making of AVPR'. Yes, a second making-of featurette, this time lasting a little under thirteen minutes. The featurette concentrates more on the technical aspects of the production, such as the storyboarding , editing, visual effects and sound recording processes. I was actually quite surprised to discover that they digitally remastered all of the sound effects from the original film, and even got the original predator voice actor in to reprise his role.
'AVPR: The Nightmare Returns: Creating the Aliens' runs for a little over seven minutes and deals with ADI's work on creating the acid-blooded meanies themselves. The main participants are visual effects artists Tom Woodruff Jr. and Alec Gillis, who discuss the subtle changes made to the alien costumes throughout the years and run through the various effects techniques used to make the face-huggers and warriors come to life.
'AVPR: Primitive Design: Creating the Predator' concentrates on the film's other big nasty and runs for just over ten minutes. As with the previous featurette, Woodruff and Gillis discuss the evolution of the creature over the course of the series, specifically the numerous redesigns carried out to the costume and the new armaments for the latest movie. Although it runs slightly longer than the alien featurette I didn't find it quite as entertaining, but it's sure to please fans of the mandibled menace.

'Crossbreed: The Predalien' runs for a little over eight minutes and focusses on the creation of the hybrid creature (dubbed 'Chet' after the douche bag from Weird Science). In it we learn that early drafts of the script saw the predalien die in the crash that brought the aliens to Earth, before its role was expanded considerably to that of the predator's nemesis. Gillis, Woodruff and Strause (Greg) discuss the various design challenges and iterations, making for a reasonably interesting featurette (even if the creature itself looks a little goofy).
'Building the Predator Homeworld' is another short little featurette that details the creation of the predator, well, homeworld. As it turns out, this was a bit of a last-minute addition to the script and necessitated some rather quick thinking by the visual effects wizards. The featurette provides a glimpse of the techniques used to bring the sequence to life, and the end result is pretty impressive given the somewhat extreme time constraints.
'AVPR: The Science of the Xenomorph' comes next and runs for just over eleven minutes. It examines the life-cycle and physiology of the aliens in a rather unique fashion, with participation from a number of scientists and artists who discuss the aliens as if they were real, theorising about their biological systems (acidic blood etc.) while citing known examples of creatures found on Earth with which they share certain characteristics (secondary jaws, for example). I enjoyed this novel approach, and as far as I know this is a region B exclusive feature (yay for us).

'AVPR: The Science of the Hunter' does for the predators what the previous featurette did for the aliens (and runs for a similar length of time). Our scientists and artists are back to talk about the implacable dreadlocked hunters, with more focus on their technological achievements, such as interstellar travel and advanced weaponry. Their biological elements are briefly touched upon, but once again this predator featurette failed to entertain as much as its alien counterpart. With that said, it's still quite interesting. Again, this featurette appears to be exclusive to region B.
A series of deleted scenes come next, each of which is presented in full 1080p. They run for around twenty minutes and consist largely of extensions to existing scenes. It seems likely that many of them were due to find their way into the promised extended cut of the film, but as the UK didn't end up with that release we have to make do with watching them in isolation. Most of the scenes simply offer additional gore, particularly during the 'stomach-bursting' scenes (which are already grisly enough), but there are a few moments of additional exposition. The best of these are extended versions of the opening sequence and Wolf's investigation of the downed spaceship. However, the twenty-minute runtime is somewhat misleading, as most of the extensions are simply padded with footage found in the theatrical cut.
Still galleries come next, of which there are seven in total. They cover all aspects of production, from the design of the aliens and predators, to on-set photos and cast and crew shots. These are followed by the film's theatrical trailer (curiously there's only one, even though the menu implies there are more) and trailers for Hitman and I, Robot. Finally, the disc also includes a message about D-Box motion control and a link to the Fox website.

This is my first experience of a Blu-ray release from a major studio that differs significantly from the equivalent disc in another territory. I had hoped that the dawn of HD would put an end to this infuriating practise and that we would see identical releases worldwide. According to a statement from Fox UK, the reason for the absence of the extended cut is 'time constraints on production'. I find this slightly confusing, given that the release date of the UK disc is behind that of the US disc. I can only assume the decision to include the newest form of encryption (MKBv7, as opposed to MKBv4 on the US disc) played its part. I can see no other reason for it, unless Fox simply cannot manage their release calendar. What makes it that much harder to swallow is that, unlike DVD, those used to importing 'unrated' cuts from the US won't be able to unless they have a 'region A' player or a home cinema PC with the necessary software to bypass the region lock. If that isn't asking people to find ways to copy your movies, I don't know what is.
With that moan out of the way I am left with a bit of a dilemma. The film itself isn't particularly memorable, but the Blu-ray is actually pretty good. I guess my review isn't going to dissuade fans on the grounds of artistic merit, so I have to recommend the disc to those who liked the movie. The solid AV coupled with some interesting bonus material elevates it above most of Fox's Blu-ray output, which so far has largely consisted of bare-bones releases. While I'm personally having a hard time getting over the fact that the UK (and Europe it would seem) has been shafted when it comes to the extended cut, I must at least acknowledge the fact that this disc represents a step in the right direction for the studio. In summary, if you're after an impressive disc to show off the capabilities of the format this is worth a look, but the film itself is only for the hardcore 'must own everything' fans.
* Note: The above images are taken from the Blu-ray release and resized for the page. Full-resolution captures are available by clicking individual images, but due to .jpg compression they are not necessarily representative of the quality of the transfer.

Feature
The events of Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem (hereby referred to as AvP:R) follow-on from those in the previous film. The body of Scar (the hero predator from the last film) has been reclaimed by the rest of his clan and transported to their spaceship. What they don’t know is that Scar has been impregnated by an alien face-hugger, and it’s not long before a tiny little alien/predator hybrid (the ‘Predalien’) chest-bursts its way out of his corpse and slaughters the crew, forcing the ship to crash-land on Earth (Colorado to be exact).
Luckily the predators were able to send out a distress signal to their home-world just before they were eviscerated, calling on the help of a secret ninja-assassin predator (nicknamed ‘Wolf’ by the filmmakers, after the character in Pulp Fiction) to help clean up the mess. Meanwhile, a number of face-huggers escape from the crashed ship and start latching themselves onto all-and-sundry, and it’s not long before the sleepy little town has a serious bug problem.
What follows is roughly an hour-and-a-half of stupid humans getting in the way of the two warring alien species, complete with plenty of super-shaky camera-work and a distinct absence of lighting. While there is some attempt at character development, it's all pretty basic stuff. The hero (a pizza delivery boy no less) pines for the hot girl, but just ends up getting his arse kicked by her stereotypical jock boyfriend. Said pizza boy's ex-con brother shows up looking suitably moody, but he's obviously not really a bad guy because he's friends with the (fairly inept) town sheriff. Oh, and there's a female soldier who returns from Iraq to find that she's somewhat 'alienated' (geddit?) from her young daughter.

The film's main failing is that there is really no plot beyond the basic concept of aliens fighting predators. It's as if no one realised that the creatures should be supporting characters, not given centre stage. If you look at the best films in each series, the monsters actually play a relatively minor role, appearing only briefly and to maximum effect. If they're constantly on-screen their impact is lessened. What made the earlier films great—particularly Alien and Aliens—was the strong human characterisation. We got to know and care about the people involved before they were ripped to pieces. In Alien you empathised with the crew of the Nostromo, and you couldn't help but root for Ripley, Newt and the marines in Aliens.
AvP:R features none of what made the earlier films great. The human characters are so thinly drawn that you don't sympathise with their plight enough to really care when they become alien chow, which pretty much leaves a bunch of mute beasties to carry the movie. This wouldn't be so bad if the end result was cohesive, but the the script is full of plot holes and seriously flawed logic. Anderson's original AvP might have been PG-13 tripe, but at least it had some semblance of a plot and at least one or two well-rounded characters (well, semicircular at any rate). It seems that the creators of this film thought that simply putting a load of creatures on screen and upping the gore quotient would be enough to satisfy the legions of alien and predator fans—they were sadly mistaken. It just makes me long for an adaptation of the original AvP screenplay that I read years ago.

Despite its UK '15' rating, AvP:R occasionally feels a lot 'nastier' than the films that came before it. This is probably because previously taboo victims are now considered fair game. Now I'm no prude, and it takes considerable amount of violence to shock me, but shots of aliens violently emerging from children and pregnant women felt misjudged to me. While this release was originally billed as featuring 'more action and terror' than the theatrical version, I couldn't spot anything different. I contacted Fox UK to make sure I hadn't been sent an early version of the disc (it does happen), but they informed me that the theatrical version is all we're getting on Blu-ray (at least until the inevitable 'double dip').
Video
AvP:R is presented at its theatrical aspect ratio of 2.40:1 and encoded at 1080p using the AVC codec. When I viewed the film theatrically (yes, I was the one) I found it very difficult to actually make out what was going on because of the perpetual darkness, and this Blu-ray release is no different. However, it's hard to criticise the transfer for doing what it's supposed to do, i.e. remaining faithful to the source material. Thankfully black levels are solid (although if you're watching on LCD they can be more like grey levels), but the oppressive darkness does make the reviewing task that much harder because some of the finer detail is lost (possibly to hide bargain-basement creature effects).

However, before any of you get the wrong idea and think this is a poor transfer, let me assure you that it's actually one of the better looking titles in my collection—it just takes a bit of getting used to. Not only is the image entirely free from film artefacts, I didn't really spot any particularly obvious digital nastiness. Colour rendition is strong (if highly stylised), and despite my previous comments about the darkness obscuring certain things, the image is actually surprisingly sharp and detailed throughout. All-in-all this is a pretty impressive effort and should definitely please fans and videophiles alike.
Audio
Like most people I still lack the necessary hardware to decode the DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 soundtrack found on the disc (and probably will for the foreseeable future), but the 1.5Mbps legacy DTS Core makes for an impressive aural experience all the same. While the score is largely forgettable when it's not 'borrowing' elements from the original movies, the sound effects set the tone rather well. The familiar alien and predator screeches, hisses and clicks are all present, as are the cool effects of the predator's various technical gizmos (such as his advanced vision modes and dual plasma-casters).

Once the action kicks in the gunfire comes thick, fast and from all directions as the humans desperately try to stay alive. Bass is also very powerful (sometimes too powerful) and caused its share of ornaments to shake. However, the track is not without subtlety. You'll often hear ominous noises coming from behind you, such as the clicking of the predator's mandibles or a scuttling face-hugger, but even simple things like the chirping of insects in the forest are impressive. While not particularly important in the context of the movie, dialogue is always clear and well-balanced in the mix. As with the visual elements of the disc, Fox has delivered where it counts, and all-in-all this is a great track.
Extras
First up is a commentary track by the Strause brothers and producer John Davis. I was pleasantly surprised by the track, which moves along at a brisk pace and offers up some interesting information. There's not a lot of dead air during the ninety-minute runtime and Davis serves well as moderator to the sometimes over-enthusiastic brothers. The second commentary track features effects maestros Tom Woodruff Jr. and Alec Gillis and is by far the more technical of the two tracks. If you're into their work (and effects in general) then it will undoubtedly provide some useful information, and although there are numerous times where they run out of creatures to comment on they fill space with often-amusing banter.

The disc's only Bonus View (profile 1.1) feature comes in the guise of 'The Weyland-Yutani Archives', a sort of interactive dossier of all things alien and predator. The feature locked up my standalone BD player, but luckily I was able to view it using my HTPC. The archive is divided into sections that deal with different aspects of both species, such as physiology, behaviour and technology. These occasionally provide the opportunity to view video clips, but there's nothing that can't be found in the existing alien and predator films. Even so, it's a great little reference for dedicated fans and newcomers alike.
A series of eight standard-definition featurettes follow, the first of which is entitled 'Prepare for War: The Making of AVPR'. This is just your basic fifteen-minute promotional bit that features interviews with cast and crew alike, interspersed with clips from the movie and some behind-the-scenes footage. It actually manages to provides a reasonable level of depth, certainly more than most featurettes of this nature.

Next we have 'Fight to the Finish: The Making of AVPR'. Yes, a second making-of featurette, this time lasting a little under thirteen minutes. The featurette concentrates more on the technical aspects of the production, such as the storyboarding , editing, visual effects and sound recording processes. I was actually quite surprised to discover that they digitally remastered all of the sound effects from the original film, and even got the original predator voice actor in to reprise his role.
'AVPR: The Nightmare Returns: Creating the Aliens' runs for a little over seven minutes and deals with ADI's work on creating the acid-blooded meanies themselves. The main participants are visual effects artists Tom Woodruff Jr. and Alec Gillis, who discuss the subtle changes made to the alien costumes throughout the years and run through the various effects techniques used to make the face-huggers and warriors come to life.
'AVPR: Primitive Design: Creating the Predator' concentrates on the film's other big nasty and runs for just over ten minutes. As with the previous featurette, Woodruff and Gillis discuss the evolution of the creature over the course of the series, specifically the numerous redesigns carried out to the costume and the new armaments for the latest movie. Although it runs slightly longer than the alien featurette I didn't find it quite as entertaining, but it's sure to please fans of the mandibled menace.

'Crossbreed: The Predalien' runs for a little over eight minutes and focusses on the creation of the hybrid creature (dubbed 'Chet' after the douche bag from Weird Science). In it we learn that early drafts of the script saw the predalien die in the crash that brought the aliens to Earth, before its role was expanded considerably to that of the predator's nemesis. Gillis, Woodruff and Strause (Greg) discuss the various design challenges and iterations, making for a reasonably interesting featurette (even if the creature itself looks a little goofy).
'Building the Predator Homeworld' is another short little featurette that details the creation of the predator, well, homeworld. As it turns out, this was a bit of a last-minute addition to the script and necessitated some rather quick thinking by the visual effects wizards. The featurette provides a glimpse of the techniques used to bring the sequence to life, and the end result is pretty impressive given the somewhat extreme time constraints.
'AVPR: The Science of the Xenomorph' comes next and runs for just over eleven minutes. It examines the life-cycle and physiology of the aliens in a rather unique fashion, with participation from a number of scientists and artists who discuss the aliens as if they were real, theorising about their biological systems (acidic blood etc.) while citing known examples of creatures found on Earth with which they share certain characteristics (secondary jaws, for example). I enjoyed this novel approach, and as far as I know this is a region B exclusive feature (yay for us).

'AVPR: The Science of the Hunter' does for the predators what the previous featurette did for the aliens (and runs for a similar length of time). Our scientists and artists are back to talk about the implacable dreadlocked hunters, with more focus on their technological achievements, such as interstellar travel and advanced weaponry. Their biological elements are briefly touched upon, but once again this predator featurette failed to entertain as much as its alien counterpart. With that said, it's still quite interesting. Again, this featurette appears to be exclusive to region B.
A series of deleted scenes come next, each of which is presented in full 1080p. They run for around twenty minutes and consist largely of extensions to existing scenes. It seems likely that many of them were due to find their way into the promised extended cut of the film, but as the UK didn't end up with that release we have to make do with watching them in isolation. Most of the scenes simply offer additional gore, particularly during the 'stomach-bursting' scenes (which are already grisly enough), but there are a few moments of additional exposition. The best of these are extended versions of the opening sequence and Wolf's investigation of the downed spaceship. However, the twenty-minute runtime is somewhat misleading, as most of the extensions are simply padded with footage found in the theatrical cut.
Still galleries come next, of which there are seven in total. They cover all aspects of production, from the design of the aliens and predators, to on-set photos and cast and crew shots. These are followed by the film's theatrical trailer (curiously there's only one, even though the menu implies there are more) and trailers for Hitman and I, Robot. Finally, the disc also includes a message about D-Box motion control and a link to the Fox website.

Overall
This is my first experience of a Blu-ray release from a major studio that differs significantly from the equivalent disc in another territory. I had hoped that the dawn of HD would put an end to this infuriating practise and that we would see identical releases worldwide. According to a statement from Fox UK, the reason for the absence of the extended cut is 'time constraints on production'. I find this slightly confusing, given that the release date of the UK disc is behind that of the US disc. I can only assume the decision to include the newest form of encryption (MKBv7, as opposed to MKBv4 on the US disc) played its part. I can see no other reason for it, unless Fox simply cannot manage their release calendar. What makes it that much harder to swallow is that, unlike DVD, those used to importing 'unrated' cuts from the US won't be able to unless they have a 'region A' player or a home cinema PC with the necessary software to bypass the region lock. If that isn't asking people to find ways to copy your movies, I don't know what is.
With that moan out of the way I am left with a bit of a dilemma. The film itself isn't particularly memorable, but the Blu-ray is actually pretty good. I guess my review isn't going to dissuade fans on the grounds of artistic merit, so I have to recommend the disc to those who liked the movie. The solid AV coupled with some interesting bonus material elevates it above most of Fox's Blu-ray output, which so far has largely consisted of bare-bones releases. While I'm personally having a hard time getting over the fact that the UK (and Europe it would seem) has been shafted when it comes to the extended cut, I must at least acknowledge the fact that this disc represents a step in the right direction for the studio. In summary, if you're after an impressive disc to show off the capabilities of the format this is worth a look, but the film itself is only for the hardcore 'must own everything' fans.
* Note: The above images are taken from the Blu-ray release and resized for the page. Full-resolution captures are available by clicking individual images, but due to .jpg compression they are not necessarily representative of the quality of the transfer.
Review by Chris Gould
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Just adding this on here as there is no DVD review. With good reason.
I've never been so angry and frustrated watching a film. I picked this up on DVD (UKR2) the other day for a fiver. I had low expectations of it given what came before it but was at least hopeful that for £5, there might be some pleasure to be taken by having the franchise veer back towards a higher rating. This is the longer 'more extreme' cut not availbale on the UKBD.
Why you so angry Ponce? Well, one reason only and it has been touched on in this very review and thread. What the Fup is going on? I had no idea. Firstly, the actual PQ is completely lacking any detail or texture. This may be an artistic choice but as far as the DVD goes, the picture is woeful. Secondly, as most of the action takes place at night, I couldn't see anything that was happening. At one point, a new day dawned and I thought, maybe I'll at least be able to see what's going on now, but no. About 10 minutes of screen time later and we're either in a sewer or it's dusk again. Brilliant.
I sat there trying to imagine, (if I could actually see what was going on on screen) would the film be vaguely passable or be able to stand along side AvP. And the answer was probably. But, I couldn't see. I counted one stretch in the film where the camera started to tilt up and for about 5-6 seconds it was totally black. The funny thing is, the bit rate was in the 6's and 7's for that period. What for?
I can hear aliens and predators making noise when they're fighting or creeping around but it's all pointless as I have no clue as to what's happening. Any tension or suspense is being totally dissipated by the fact that I'm desperatly trying to peer into the black murk in the vain hope that I can pick out some detail.
I'm sorry, I'm pissed off. I'm a big Alien, Aliens, Alien 3 fan. Also (obviously) Predator, I even quite like Predator 2 (apart from Maria Chonchito Alonso's shrieking) but this makes AvP look watchable. How is it possibel to feel ripped off after spending only a fiver on this?
Most of my DVD's are in storage wallets so when I buy new DVD's, (which isn't all that often now with BD's) I have to physically spend time making a hole for a new title, moving DVD's down the pages etc. Didn't have to worry with AvP: Requiem. Once it was into the credits, I took the DVD it out of the player, snapped the f**cker in half and threw it in the bin. How's that for a poster quote.
Well done Fox (Again). Well done The Strauss Brothers. I fell for it. I gave you money for this steaming cup of arse wash. I should be shot.
When will I learn?
I've never been so angry and frustrated watching a film. I picked this up on DVD (UKR2) the other day for a fiver. I had low expectations of it given what came before it but was at least hopeful that for £5, there might be some pleasure to be taken by having the franchise veer back towards a higher rating. This is the longer 'more extreme' cut not availbale on the UKBD.
Why you so angry Ponce? Well, one reason only and it has been touched on in this very review and thread. What the Fup is going on? I had no idea. Firstly, the actual PQ is completely lacking any detail or texture. This may be an artistic choice but as far as the DVD goes, the picture is woeful. Secondly, as most of the action takes place at night, I couldn't see anything that was happening. At one point, a new day dawned and I thought, maybe I'll at least be able to see what's going on now, but no. About 10 minutes of screen time later and we're either in a sewer or it's dusk again. Brilliant.
I sat there trying to imagine, (if I could actually see what was going on on screen) would the film be vaguely passable or be able to stand along side AvP. And the answer was probably. But, I couldn't see. I counted one stretch in the film where the camera started to tilt up and for about 5-6 seconds it was totally black. The funny thing is, the bit rate was in the 6's and 7's for that period. What for?
I can hear aliens and predators making noise when they're fighting or creeping around but it's all pointless as I have no clue as to what's happening. Any tension or suspense is being totally dissipated by the fact that I'm desperatly trying to peer into the black murk in the vain hope that I can pick out some detail.
I'm sorry, I'm pissed off. I'm a big Alien, Aliens, Alien 3 fan. Also (obviously) Predator, I even quite like Predator 2 (apart from Maria Chonchito Alonso's shrieking) but this makes AvP look watchable. How is it possibel to feel ripped off after spending only a fiver on this?
Most of my DVD's are in storage wallets so when I buy new DVD's, (which isn't all that often now with BD's) I have to physically spend time making a hole for a new title, moving DVD's down the pages etc. Didn't have to worry with AvP: Requiem. Once it was into the credits, I took the DVD it out of the player, snapped the f**cker in half and threw it in the bin. How's that for a poster quote.
Well done Fox (Again). Well done The Strauss Brothers. I fell for it. I gave you money for this steaming cup of arse wash. I should be shot.
When will I learn?
i think its beaut bt it was 2 dark for me!
What? So the UK got the theatrical release only as well (Australia did too)? Amazon are listing the run time as 101min (extended), and the actual cover shot says contains footage not seen in theatres. The Aus one was billed on the cover as "Extended Combat Edition", which was a total lie as well. Nothing extended at all.
I'm sick of fox. I want this film (and look I don't care what people say is wrong with it, they are entitled to THEIR opinion of it, but DO NOT try to make your opinion mine), and the only way I can get it properly is Region A.
I'm sick of fox. I want this film (and look I don't care what people say is wrong with it, they are entitled to THEIR opinion of it, but DO NOT try to make your opinion mine), and the only way I can get it properly is Region A.
Yeah, I jsut watched this and couldn't tell what the f**k was going on 90% of the time. It looks like a good exploitation film is in there somewhere, and the disc's audio was some of the best I've ever heard.
H R Giger is a scary chap.... such great designs...
Interesting how in Aliens, it is almost an hour into the movie before you see an alien...
Hmmmm - Ezydvd in australia has the un-cut BD listed as 93mins yet the DVD that is un-cut is 96 mins...
Interesting how in Aliens, it is almost an hour into the movie before you see an alien...
Hmmmm - Ezydvd in australia has the un-cut BD listed as 93mins yet the DVD that is un-cut is 96 mins...
Does the Aussie version mention anything about a different cut on the packaging? You'd have a case for them mis-selling it if it does.
a quick update on the australian blu ray relaese it is the same version as the uk cinema version,even though it says extreme combat edition on the cover ??
come on fox why does everywhere but the us get the extended unrated version ??
uk readers lets send an email campaign to fox uk i have sent them 1 already (their contact us page says that they will not reply to any emails though
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im even gonna send them a letter see what i get back
fatdragon
come on fox why does everywhere but the us get the extended unrated version ??
uk readers lets send an email campaign to fox uk i have sent them 1 already (their contact us page says that they will not reply to any emails though
im even gonna send them a letter see what i get back
fatdragon
20th Century Fox needs to get its act together in order to persuade DVD consumers to buy Blu Ray titles. They really need to sack the Head of its Blu Ray division.
First, no director's cut of "Windtalkers" or extended version of "Independence Day" - now they cannot even bother to release the extended cut of AvP2 on Blu Ray (doh!). Oh well, at least I can use the money saved to buy some PS3 games!!!
First, no director's cut of "Windtalkers" or extended version of "Independence Day" - now they cannot even bother to release the extended cut of AvP2 on Blu Ray (doh!). Oh well, at least I can use the money saved to buy some PS3 games!!!
Bouncy x
I do agree with your point about crossing a line not usually crossed by mainstream hollywood films, if I was a studio exec and had to choose which elements to keep in and which to remove I would argue that the kid would stay but I would totally rejig the whole hospital sequence, I would simply show what state it was in AFTERWARDS, with patients in beds with facehuggers attached but in no way would I put babies in there, I just thought that was sick.
In terms of the death you mention, yeah I totally agree with you there, it was unexpected and really quite a shock, this was one thing that was really good for the film in general.
I didn't think it was a bad film at all, it's actually ok and on a par with the first one but I just thought there might be a bit too much in it that was in really bad taste, that's why I won't own it.
I do agree with your point about crossing a line not usually crossed by mainstream hollywood films, if I was a studio exec and had to choose which elements to keep in and which to remove I would argue that the kid would stay but I would totally rejig the whole hospital sequence, I would simply show what state it was in AFTERWARDS, with patients in beds with facehuggers attached but in no way would I put babies in there, I just thought that was sick.
In terms of the death you mention, yeah I totally agree with you there, it was unexpected and really quite a shock, this was one thing that was really good for the film in general.
I didn't think it was a bad film at all, it's actually ok and on a par with the first one but I just thought there might be a bit too much in it that was in really bad taste, that's why I won't own it.
man the UK just cant get a break with this movie. they add a "2" on the title, have a terrible cover for the blu-ray and now dont even get the extended cut.
Good for you. To be honest, depriving them of revenue is the only way to make them sit up and take notice. I'm sure they'll blame it on piracy though.
i have just cancelled this blu ray as i now know that it is not the extended version of the film 
yet again uk blu ray customer are getting screwed,as i cant play the us extended version fox are not getting my money
come on fox and other big film companies support your customers better.
yet again uk blu ray customer are getting screwed,as i cant play the us extended version fox are not getting my money
come on fox and other big film companies support your customers better.
Great review Chris, agree with you completely. I'm glad you mentioned the whole "child/pregnancy" thing.
Or maybe it's got nothing to do with snobbery and the film just isn't very good?
Ya know Bouncy X, I totally agree with you.
I'm a little tired of so many looking down their noses at this movie. It's Aliens vs. Predator for Pete’s sake! If you want art, go watch Bergman or Fellini.
If you want to see a Predator and Aliens kicking the c**p out of each other, then this is for you. It's a movie executed with exceptional technical flair. The visual and sound effects were top notch and I found it to be a refreshingly entertaining kinetic experience. The musical nods to each franchise were also a nice touch.
I too, feel it’s a stronger horror/action film than AVP 1 and far better than the totally misguided Alien Resurrection.
Geez people, just enjoy what the movie has to offer, instead of complaining about what it doesn't.
All this internet-geek cynicism and back-seat criticism is starting to get on my nerves.
I'm a little tired of so many looking down their noses at this movie. It's Aliens vs. Predator for Pete’s sake! If you want art, go watch Bergman or Fellini.
If you want to see a Predator and Aliens kicking the c**p out of each other, then this is for you. It's a movie executed with exceptional technical flair. The visual and sound effects were top notch and I found it to be a refreshingly entertaining kinetic experience. The musical nods to each franchise were also a nice touch.
I too, feel it’s a stronger horror/action film than AVP 1 and far better than the totally misguided Alien Resurrection.
Geez people, just enjoy what the movie has to offer, instead of complaining about what it doesn't.
All this internet-geek cynicism and back-seat criticism is starting to get on my nerves.
i actually thought it was refreshing and honestly cool to see that little kid die. not because "a kid died" persay but hollywood movies are so predictable and never try to cross any lines that it was a nice surprise to see this. 99% of the time when there's little kids in horror/slasher movies, you know they'll survive. i just thought it different to finally show that everyone indeed is a possible victim.
as for the pregnant woman, i never thought about her unborn baby, thats right..they probably did eat it...damn.
and without spoiling it for anyone, i was actually completely surprised by another death, this time because that was someone i totally expected and "knew" would survive, color me shocked and smiling. lol
so yeah i guess it goes without saying that i'm one of those few who enjoyed this movie, i found it much better than the first. with the violence intact and all those little sound/music nods to the original movies, i thought this was the AVP we shoulda had in the first place.
as for the darkness issue, i thought people were just exagerating but no, its indeed very dark and hard to see at times.
as for the pregnant woman, i never thought about her unborn baby, thats right..they probably did eat it...damn.
and without spoiling it for anyone, i was actually completely surprised by another death, this time because that was someone i totally expected and "knew" would survive, color me shocked and smiling. lol
so yeah i guess it goes without saying that i'm one of those few who enjoyed this movie, i found it much better than the first. with the violence intact and all those little sound/music nods to the original movies, i thought this was the AVP we shoulda had in the first place.
as for the darkness issue, i thought people were just exagerating but no, its indeed very dark and hard to see at times.
TheGodfather wrote: How and where did u read the original AVP screenplay chris?
I read an outline in a magazine years ago. There's a script all over the net as well. Just do a search for Peter Briggs.
I read an outline in a magazine years ago. There's a script all over the net as well. Just do a search for Peter Briggs.
I have to agree with Chris about some of the content of the movie, I thought this film had a nasty streak a mile wide.
To be honest, the scenes of the kid being chestbursted, the Predalien looking through the glass into the room full of babies in cots and the woman "giving birth" to the Predalien's "children" actually made me feel very, very uncomfortable, I thought it was almost an admission that the film wasn't up to much and they threw some stuff in to try and shock the viewer into a reaction to it.
If you actually give a bit of thought to it, when the "baby" Predaliens erupt through the pregnant woman's stomach, there is no baby present which means they ate it, pretty low if you ask me.
Now I also know people will say "hang on.... that obviously happened on the LV426 colony in Aliens........" which is true but James Cameron knew that showing the living, breathing colony prior to the alien takeover and the immediate aftermath of it would be far more effective than showing the actual attack plus he also had the style and integrity not to show anything so lowbrow and offensive as the stuff I have mentioned earlier.
As a father of 4, my reaction to these scenes was one of revulsion, I very much doubt I'll be watching this again and I definately won't be buying it.
To be honest, the scenes of the kid being chestbursted, the Predalien looking through the glass into the room full of babies in cots and the woman "giving birth" to the Predalien's "children" actually made me feel very, very uncomfortable, I thought it was almost an admission that the film wasn't up to much and they threw some stuff in to try and shock the viewer into a reaction to it.
If you actually give a bit of thought to it, when the "baby" Predaliens erupt through the pregnant woman's stomach, there is no baby present which means they ate it, pretty low if you ask me.
Now I also know people will say "hang on.... that obviously happened on the LV426 colony in Aliens........" which is true but James Cameron knew that showing the living, breathing colony prior to the alien takeover and the immediate aftermath of it would be far more effective than showing the actual attack plus he also had the style and integrity not to show anything so lowbrow and offensive as the stuff I have mentioned earlier.
As a father of 4, my reaction to these scenes was one of revulsion, I very much doubt I'll be watching this again and I definately won't be buying it.
How and where did u read the original AVP screenplay chris? awesome if u did a feature on it dude to see how it managed NOT to get made. BRING BACK RIDLEY AND CAMERON NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
AND SOMEONE TURN ON THE LIGHTS!
AND SOMEONE TURN ON THE LIGHTS!
Eh? We have more extras than the US release, so how do you figure that? All the US disc has that this doesn't is a digital copy, but it's missing two featuretts. Granted it's the unrated cut so probably the better option overall, but it doesn't have better extras.
I kind of liked Alien vs. Predator: Requiem even though it was cheesy it was fun. The CGI blood and the creature attacks made the film be at lest decent. The extras in the US are way better and there's an unrated version.
So is it 100% confirmed the UK Blu-Ray is NOT the Extended Cut?
What about the Australian release?
http://www.ezydvd.com.au/item.zml/798592
What about the Australian release?
http://www.ezydvd.com.au/item.zml/798592
legalbeagle wrote: US version is the unrated version.
I'm sure there's a review somewhere that mentions that...
I'm sure there's a review somewhere that mentions that...
Glad I'm not the only one who thought the movie was shot way too dark--even the daylight scenes are dark--but noticing the cinematographer is Daniel Pearl it doesn't come as any surprise. All of the movies he's shot in recent years have had the same dark, "I can't see s**t" lighting--movies such as The Texas Chansaw Massacre and Pathfinder--the latter being barely watchable on its own merits was an unwatchable mess becuase it was too dark.
The region A disc is nice though--if it weren't for the actual film mucking things up this would be one of the better Blu-ray discs released so far this year. The extras are solid and the commentaries are quite good while the video transfer and audio are top notch.
The region A disc is nice though--if it weren't for the actual film mucking things up this would be one of the better Blu-ray discs released so far this year. The extras are solid and the commentaries are quite good while the video transfer and audio are top notch.
US version is the unrated version. If you check out the post production featurette you will see the differences between the 2 versions highlighted and shown...
Pic and sound quality are very good indeed on this disc...
Pic and sound quality are very good indeed on this disc...
agree that the film is very dark, too dark to my liking, the red band trailer was not so dark ?! Btw the cover is same as R1 unrated - longer cut, a bit misleading as this is shorter version.
So we don't get the unrated cut on BR right away? Why are they placing a NOT SEEN IN CINEMA's sticker on it then?
Screw this. I didn't like the movie in the first place, but had to buy it because i'm a huge Alien-fan. Fox just keeps screwing this franchises up aren't they. It's a no buy for me then.
Screw this. I didn't like the movie in the first place, but had to buy it because i'm a huge Alien-fan. Fox just keeps screwing this franchises up aren't they. It's a no buy for me then.
[quote=Dave Brock wrote]Quote: (although if you're watching on LCD they can be more like grey levels)
Sony Bravia 40W2000 to the rescue methinks.
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You mean the Pioneer Kuro PDP-LX508D
Sony Bravia 40W2000 to the rescue methinks.
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You mean the Pioneer Kuro PDP-LX508D
To be honest, not counting the AVP films, I though Aliens was the worst of the franchise! While the first was a smart, suspenseful, fantastically done sci-fi/horror spectacle, the sequel was just a big special effects action movie, with none of the subtlety nor the thought put into writing that made the first film great! Alien 3 was SO much better than Aliens!
Oh, and I just plain think that the Predator films are absolutely awful.
Oh, and I just plain think that the Predator films are absolutely awful.
Quote: (although if you're watching on LCD they can be more like grey levels)
Sony Bravia 40W2000 to the rescue methinks.
Quote: but they informed me that the theatrical version is all we're getting on Blu-ray
Isn't Blu-Ray just peachy!?
Sony Bravia 40W2000 to the rescue methinks.
Quote: but they informed me that the theatrical version is all we're getting on Blu-ray
Isn't Blu-Ray just peachy!?
Enjoyable review Chris. Never liked the predators design, i always thought H R Gigers creations to be much more disturbing and i haven't felt the tension and clostraphobia since the first two Alien films. By the way Chris did you ever try Alien War when it was in the Trocadero before they shut down? It was a good laugh, hear it's coming back up the West End this month.


Suitable only for persons of 15 years and over
Disc Details
Release Date:
12th May 2008
Discs:
1
Disc Type:
Blu-ray Disc
RCE:
No
Video:
1080p
Aspect:
2.40:1
Anamorphic:
No
Colour:
Yes
Audio:
DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 English, DTS 5.1 French, DTS 5.1 German
Subtitles:
Dutch, Danish, English, Finnish, French, German, Norwegian, Swedish
Extras:
Audio Commentaries, Weyland-Yutani Archives, Featurettes, Deleted Scenes, Still Galleries, Trailers
Easter Egg:
No
Feature Details
Director:
The Brothers Strause
Cast:
Steven Pasquale, Reiko Aylesworth, John Ortiz, Johnny Lewis, Kristen Hager, Chelah Horsdal, Ariel Gade, Tom Woodruff Jr., Ian Whyte
Genre:
Action, Horror and Sci-Fi
Length:
94 minutes
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