Nightmare Before Christmas, The (US - BD RA)
What's this? Gabe loves this Blu-ray disc. What's this? One he wouldn't miss..
Feature
Jack Skellington, the Pumpkin King, is tired of Halloween Town life. Somewhere deep inside of his bones an emptiness has started to grow. One night Jack wonders too far into the forest, and discovers a gateway to Christmas Town, a new and exciting place full of joy and happiness, rather then fear and misery. Jack decides to take Christmas away from Sandy Claus this year, and rallies his Halloween Town brethren to his noble cause.

There’s a small list of films somewhere in the back of my mind that, beyond being my favourites, are my personal litmus tests of those around me. The Nightmare Before Christmas is one of my litmus films, and if you’re one of those frightening people that don’t like it, I’m not quite sure I can trust you. From the concept, to the artistry, the music, even the acting, Tim Burton and Henry Selick’s joint ne plus ultra experiment is simply one of the most magical things ever put to film. I don’t even let those obnoxious emo-goth, Hot Topic shoppers that adopted the film get in the way of my love for it.
In many ways The Nightmare Before Christmas is an unparalleled success. It’s a film that really shouldn’t have been made by a studio, or released on more than maybe three screens. It was made using archaic techniques on the cusp of the digital effects revolution, and it broke into song when even Walt Disney animated productions were having second thoughts about musicals. The film is really too strange on every level to have ever found any kind of monetary success, or longevity behind a tight knit cult following, and yet, here we are, re-buying it on home video for the fourth time.
It almost restores your faith in humanity.

The film represents career apexes for all the major players, leading me to believe that this sum is greater then its parts. Henry Selick’s solo efforts have been either passable ( James and the Giant Peach) or dreadful ( Monkey Bone). His co-productions are always stronger (including his work on The Life Aquatic, and hopefully Coraline). Tim Burton’s expressionistic/gothic cartoon environment was apparently the perfect arena for Selick’s specific talents. To the same token, when Burton tried directing stop motion without assistance, the end effect was much less inspired, even with big name actors like Johnny Depp in the cast.
Burton’s career has always followed along the lines of fairy tales. His best work blends traditional folklore and modern storytelling techniques. He revels in worlds that take the fantastic for granted. The eccentrically decorative worlds of Pee Wee’s Big Adventure, Beetlejuice, Edward Scissorhands, even the first two Batman films looked like nothing else on film, but were still somehow familiar, as if we’d been read them on our mother’s laps as children. Nightmare is a particularly natural fairy tale, with a specific and original look, and characters that fulfil the moral lessons of traditional folklore. In choosing Halloween and Christmas as the basis for his tale Burton also infuses it with centuries of holiday tradition as well.

Comparing Nightmare to The Corpse Bride or James and the Giant Peach is unfair for one reason—the lack of top shelf Danny Elfman. Sure, Corpse Bride has an Elfman score and a few songs, but these mostly just serve to remind us how much more magical Nightmare’s music truly is. I’d favourable compare the songs in Nightmare to every other musical in the history of film musicals. It may not be the very best (who can decide such things), but it stands up admirable to hard hitters like Marry Poppins, Westside Story, even The Wizard of Oz. Add to this the fact that Elfman so memorably sings his own songs, and you’ve got a career best for the former Oingo Boinger.
Video
There are some things you just need to re-buy when an improved version is made available. First I bought Nightmare on VHS, but it wasn’t widescreen, then I bought it on DVD, but it had no extras, so I was forced to buy it again. Needless to say, it wasn’t going to take a perfect transfer for me to get my hands on this Blu-ray version. This is probably as perfect as the film will ever look. It reveals new details that I missed even during the 3D re-release (which I thought was a massive disappointment), like groves in the street of Halloween Town, and sparkling bits of snow in Christmas Town.

Besides the heightened details, this new hi-def transfer displays brighter colours and deeper blacks. Sometimes the new bright hues bleed into each other ever so slightly, but the overall effect is that of near perfection, especially during the black light lit Oogie Boogie sequences. The autumn shades of Halloween Town are sometimes display a hint of noise, but the newly represented Christmas Town and real world are very tight, even with the purposefully soft focus camera. I’m a little surprised to see some print damage artefacts (mostly white flecks), but for the most part this is an unsoiled transfer.
Audio
It’s too bad that Disney didn’t go for a DTS-HD Master Audio track, but I don’t foresee many complaints concerning this Dolby Digital TrueHD 7.1 track. Even in theatres during the 3D re-release the mix wasn’t this active. Every channel layers Elfman’s score into a fully immersive atmosphere. So many film scores are mixed into what basically amounts to a Pro Logic track, spanning the stereo speakers and only using the middle and rear channels for slight bleed through and echo effects, but not this track. The mixing of the music into every channel creates the effect of being effectively surrounded by the orchestra. Even the singing moves beyond the centre channel, creating the effective of characters honestly moving from behind the viewer into frame. The subwoofer is very punchy and never over used, as is so often the case on bigger soundtracks. I had to turn the volume up to a higher level then I would’ve with a DTS track, but the dialogue normalisation doesn’t result in any noticeable distortion.

Extras
Many of these extras are carried over from the older special edition DVD release. The ‘exclusive’ extras start with a very quick word from Burton on his satisfaction with the new Blu-ray transfer. This is followed by a new audio commentary featuring Burton, Selick, and Danny Elfman. The commentators have all been recorded separately, and it appears that the Selick sections of the track were taken from the special edition release. I usually don’t really like cut-together tracks because of their artificial flow, but editing Burton is always a good idea, even if this is one of his better efforts. Danny Elfman’s contributions are the most thoughtful, but there’s something to learn from all three commentators.
‘What’s This? Jack’s Haunted Mansion Holiday Tour’ is a virtual tour of the newly revamped Haunted Mansion ‘ride’ at Disneyland. Viewers can watch this odd camera guided tour with or without a trivia track. The new extras (which are all presented in 1080i) come to an end with Christopher Lee’s reading of Burton’s original poem, which was the inspiration behind the film. This is presented visually as a slightly animated storyboard based on Burton’s original sketches.

From here it’s nothing but the same old same old. The uncut version of Burton’s original short film Frankenweenie start these out. Frankenweenie, if you haven’t already seen it, is a cute little James Whale inspired short concerning a little boy’s attempts at resurrecting his dead dog, and what invariably goes wrong. The film looks fantastic for its presumed cost; Burton really captures that authentic Whale look, something that must be harder then it looks based on the hundred of failures pressed to film. The cast is also impressive, featuring Shelley Duvall, Daniel Stern, Paul Bartel, Barrett Oliver, and even a young Sofia Coppola (under the name Domino). The little Tim Burton intro tells us that the weirdo maverick is working on a stop motion, feature film adaptation as we speak. This is followed by one of Burton’s first attempts at stop motion animation, an amusing six minute short called Vincent (which was made using Stephen Chiodo animation).
Next are three deleted scenes in storyboard form, with Danny Elfman’s temp music on the soundtrack. These include deleted sections from ‘Making Christmas’ and ‘Oogies Song’, and an alternate ending where Oogie’s true identity is revealed. Then we have four deleted animation sequences, which are presented with rough music and slightly unfinished animation. The first is an extended version of Jack’s Christmas experiments, the second is an alternate version of Vampire hockey, the third is an extra bit with Lock Shock and Barrel, and the last is a bit of Oogie’s silhouette dancing. Selick says on his commentary that some of these scenes were cut for time, but one has to wonder about this judgment when the final film is only seventy-two minutes long.

The behind the scenes featurette is quite fluffy, and it was probably made to advertise the film on the Disney channel or HBO, but still manages to cover all the bases, even if they do it with super speed. The featurette is worth it for the footage of animators working with the puppets, and the actual sculpting of the armature puppets. It runs about twenty-five minutes. Things are completed with five different still galleries, and trailers for other Disney releases. Oh yeah, and that second disc? That’s just a digital copy version of the film.
Overall
If you’ve still got the previous special edition release, and no plans to buy a Blu-ray player any time soon, I say skip this new release. The new extras just aren’t quite worth the new purchase in my eyes. However, if you have a Blu-ray player you have no excuse. The transfer is crisp and colourful, and the TrueHD soundtrack is a standout.
Review by Gabriel Powers
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Gabe Powers wrote: I know exactly what you're talking about, and I'm not sure how to deal with it. It's kind of an optical illusion.
Thanks Gabe
Maybe we can figure out what it is and see if there is a fix.....
Thanks Gabe
I know exactly what you're talking about, and I'm not sure how to deal with it. It's kind of an optical illusion.
This looks GREAT on Bluray, but I have one complaint, about this release and blurays in general, I noticed in the beginning, when jack goes into the cemetary, his clothes and the the ground, with all the lines get that weird digital look, I am sure there is a name for it. It also happens on clothes when someone is wearing a woven jacket or something has a small pattern, or like a screen on a window. I turned down my TV's sharpening and it helped a bit, but is still there.
I am using a Sony BD P300, HDMI on a 37" 1080i Olevia LCD.
Any solutions or is it something we just have to deal with on Bluray and things with a pattern ?
I am using a Sony BD P300, HDMI on a 37" 1080i Olevia LCD.
Any solutions or is it something we just have to deal with on Bluray and things with a pattern ?
I bought this on DVD and couldn't get into it either. Count another one on the list who will not be getting the upgrade.
I picked it up yesterday on blu ray its ben a clasic of ine since the movie came out and the Transfer iis amazing disney did a fine job working on i.t im sure this and Transformers will be my top blu ray movies of the year unless the matrix Looks extrordanary when that comes out.
damn that disney vault.
just watched it today. was impressed with the transfer.
pick it up if you dont already own it.
just watched it today. was impressed with the transfer.
pick it up if you dont already own it.
crazygmpoker wrote: "I don’t even let those obnoxious emo-goth, Hot Topic shoppers that adopted the film get in the way of my love for it"
couldnt have said it better myself, no blu-ray player, but ill be picking up the regular special edition.
I LOVED the film way before those little dumbasses did and were even able to form a sentence... but alas I do shop at Hot Topic so I did take some offence to that. :file:
couldnt have said it better myself, no blu-ray player, but ill be picking up the regular special edition.
I LOVED the film way before those little dumbasses did and were even able to form a sentence... but alas I do shop at Hot Topic so I did take some offence to that. :file:
Pixarfan517 wrote: I tried downloading the digital copy onto my iPod today, but it turns off some of the movies that I bought on iTunes. But anyway, this is a great movie and I would rather stick to Blu-Ray. I'm saving my DVD energy for "WALL-E" -- which I'm getting on both DVD and Blu-Ray.
Why are you buying it for both?
Why are you buying it for both?
I tried downloading the digital copy onto my iPod today, but it turns off some of the movies that I bought on iTunes. But anyway, this is a great movie and I would rather stick to Blu-Ray. I'm saving my DVD energy for "WALL-E" -- which I'm getting on both DVD and Blu-Ray.
The previous DVD was non-anamorphic and fuzzy.
The new DVD is 1.66:1 16x9 with remastered picture and sound.
Don't skip it. And if you have a blu-ray player, that version is better. Also...the review fails to mention the "Off Track" featurette which runs 37 minutes. This is the making of the Haunted Mansion ride and is a fascinating look at the ride itself if you are a Disney fan.
The new DVD is 1.66:1 16x9 with remastered picture and sound.
Don't skip it. And if you have a blu-ray player, that version is better. Also...the review fails to mention the "Off Track" featurette which runs 37 minutes. This is the making of the Haunted Mansion ride and is a fascinating look at the ride itself if you are a Disney fan.
Bouncy X wrote: this movie sorta lied to me and i think its affected my opinion ever since. lol
now im no musical lover at all, i hate them even but there have been some here and there that i liked. but this movie, back when it came to theaters i had won a pass to see a sneak preview. i had seen commercials on tv and it looked cool, im sucker for animation, but no where was it made clear or even hinted at that it was a musical.
so imagine my shock when that first song kicked in...and ever since then i havent been able to enjoy it because of that. i'm weird i know..lol...but thats not a jab at it because the animation IS amazing, it may have only been stop-motion but it made all the stop-motion that came before look like c**p so i was impressed on a visual level.
i would have never guessed it would become this huge cult thing...i sorta feel left out because so many love this movie and i wish i did too but i'd just be a hypocrite if i said i did....so let everyone else love it, its ok...i'll survive.
i do remember lovign that oogie boogie scene in theaters though, the whole black light effect was cool, i bet it looks amazing on blu-ray. maybe i'll rent it someday just to see. lol
Wow...and to think I thought I was the only one who felt like that about this film.
I watched it when it first came out on VHS and just couldn't get into it. I'm not a fan of musicals either, but like you, have enjoyed them here and there. Because of all the love this gets from the Goth and Emo crowds, I haven't been able to bring myself to watch it again.
I'll add it to my NetFlix queue and see if I can change that...only 'cuz my bf wants to see it again, and now that I've hi-def spoiled him, he wants to experience it. I will watch it with him.
now im no musical lover at all, i hate them even but there have been some here and there that i liked. but this movie, back when it came to theaters i had won a pass to see a sneak preview. i had seen commercials on tv and it looked cool, im sucker for animation, but no where was it made clear or even hinted at that it was a musical.
so imagine my shock when that first song kicked in...and ever since then i havent been able to enjoy it because of that. i'm weird i know..lol...but thats not a jab at it because the animation IS amazing, it may have only been stop-motion but it made all the stop-motion that came before look like c**p so i was impressed on a visual level.
i would have never guessed it would become this huge cult thing...i sorta feel left out because so many love this movie and i wish i did too but i'd just be a hypocrite if i said i did....so let everyone else love it, its ok...i'll survive.
i do remember lovign that oogie boogie scene in theaters though, the whole black light effect was cool, i bet it looks amazing on blu-ray. maybe i'll rent it someday just to see. lol
Wow...and to think I thought I was the only one who felt like that about this film.
I watched it when it first came out on VHS and just couldn't get into it. I'm not a fan of musicals either, but like you, have enjoyed them here and there. Because of all the love this gets from the Goth and Emo crowds, I haven't been able to bring myself to watch it again.
I'll add it to my NetFlix queue and see if I can change that...only 'cuz my bf wants to see it again, and now that I've hi-def spoiled him, he wants to experience it. I will watch it with him.
One thing, Gabe. How is "James And The Giant Peach" passable? That's the coolest Disney movie I've seen and I've seen a handful of Disney movies. I can't believe that Disney didn't add any theatrical trailers & TV spots for the film. Aside from the great special features highlighted, the lack of the film's trailers & TV spots are disappointing.
Even if you don't have a Blu-Ray player, the standard-def version should be a decent upgrade from the older discs because it is anamorphic. The behind-the-scenes segment is a truncated version of the doc that appeared on the laserdisc (about half as long).
I found this movie to be highly, highly overrated. I guess since people were gushing about it, I had really high expectations for that.
"Corpse Bride" was a lot better than ANBC, IMO.
"Corpse Bride" was a lot better than ANBC, IMO.
I already own the regular DVD with the much better cover, and don't have a Blu-Ray player, so I won't be picking up the DVD, but my friend hasn't picked it up yet. Is Frankenweenie on the new DVD as well as the Blu-Ray, because the article on here says only Vincent is on the DVD, and those are the two things he really wants.
thedaz wrote: Danny, at the very top of the review it says "US - BD RA".
I guess that means Region A.
It depends on whether Diney labelled the case/disc. If we don't know the region code we play it safe. I'm currently the only person on the site with the necessary hardware/software to check that sort of thing, and I live in the UK so it's not practical to test US discs. All of my reviews (and the other Uk stuff) is accurate because I test the discs myself.
I guess that means Region A.
It depends on whether Diney labelled the case/disc. If we don't know the region code we play it safe. I'm currently the only person on the site with the necessary hardware/software to check that sort of thing, and I live in the UK so it's not practical to test US discs. All of my reviews (and the other Uk stuff) is accurate because I test the discs myself.
this movie sorta lied to me and i think its affected my opinion ever since. lol
now im no musical lover at all, i hate them even but there have been some here and there that i liked. but this movie, back when it came to theaters i had won a pass to see a sneak preview. i had seen commercials on tv and it looked cool, im sucker for animation, but no where was it made clear or even hinted at that it was a musical.
so imagine my shock when that first song kicked in...and ever since then i havent been able to enjoy it because of that. i'm weird i know..lol...but thats not a jab at it because the animation IS amazing, it may have only been stop-motion but it made all the stop-motion that came before look like c**p so i was impressed on a visual level.
i would have never guessed it would become this huge cult thing...i sorta feel left out because so many love this movie and i wish i did too but i'd just be a hypocrite if i said i did....so let everyone else love it, its ok...i'll survive.
i do remember lovign that oogie boogie scene in theaters though, the whole black light effect was cool, i bet it looks amazing on blu-ray. maybe i'll rent it someday just to see. lol
now im no musical lover at all, i hate them even but there have been some here and there that i liked. but this movie, back when it came to theaters i had won a pass to see a sneak preview. i had seen commercials on tv and it looked cool, im sucker for animation, but no where was it made clear or even hinted at that it was a musical.
so imagine my shock when that first song kicked in...and ever since then i havent been able to enjoy it because of that. i'm weird i know..lol...but thats not a jab at it because the animation IS amazing, it may have only been stop-motion but it made all the stop-motion that came before look like c**p so i was impressed on a visual level.
i would have never guessed it would become this huge cult thing...i sorta feel left out because so many love this movie and i wish i did too but i'd just be a hypocrite if i said i did....so let everyone else love it, its ok...i'll survive.
i do remember lovign that oogie boogie scene in theaters though, the whole black light effect was cool, i bet it looks amazing on blu-ray. maybe i'll rent it someday just to see. lol
"I don’t even let those obnoxious emo-goth, Hot Topic shoppers that adopted the film get in the way of my love for it"
couldnt have said it better myself, no blu-ray player, but ill be picking up the regular special edition.
couldnt have said it better myself, no blu-ray player, but ill be picking up the regular special edition.
Danny, at the very top of the review it says "US - BD RA".
I guess that means Region A.
I guess that means Region A.
At least you have a Blu-ray player Invader Bugs. I have a DVD/VHS player. Nothing else. I am not planning on the 2-disc special edition even though I don't have the special edition.
Sigh...I have a Blu-Ray player, and sadly don't own any previous release of this....Looks like I have to go buy it now...
Any word on if this is Region Free or not?


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Disc Details
Release Date:
26th August 2008
Discs:
1
Disc Type:
Blu-ray Disc
RCE:
No
Video:
1080p
Aspect:
1.66:1
Anamorphic:
No
Colour:
Yes
Audio:
Dolby TrueHD 7.1, Dolby Digital 5.1 English, Dolby Digital 5.1 French, Dolby Digital 5.1 Spanish
Subtitles:
English SDH, French, Spanish
Extras:
Director/Producer/Composer Commentary, Haunted Mansion Tour, Tim Burton's Original Poem, 'Frankenweenie', 'Vincent', Behind the Scenes, Storyboards, Image Galleries, Digital Copy
Easter Egg:
No
Feature Details
Director:
Henry Selick
Cast:
Danny Elfman, L. Peter Callender, Randy Crenshaw, Judi M. Durand, William Hickey, Edward Ivory
Genre:
Animation and Musical
Length:
72 minutes

