Saw IV: Unrated (US - BD RA)
Gabe's grown tired of Jigsaw's games, as have the director, writers and actors
Feature
Sgt. Rigg (Lyriq Bent), still reeling from the Jigsaw induced death of his friend, is forced into the ruthless killer’s shoes on a mission to rescue his other friend Detective Matthews (Donnie Walhberg) and Officer Hoffman (Costas Mandylor), from another elaborate murder device. Meanwhile, FBI agents led by Agent Strahm (Scott Patterson) attempt to track Rigg as he carries out Jigsaw's horrific justice from beyond the grave.

Warning: In order to effectively review Saw IV I have to spoil some bits from Saw III.
I said a few positive things in my review of Saw III that mostly still apply here. I’m not a fan, but I appreciate the series for what it is. Contextually, it’s this generation’s Friday the 13th or Nightmare on Elm Street—a series of horror films that can be made cheap and that continue to pull in money every Halloween. If New Line was the house that Freddy built, Lionsgate surely must be the house that Jigsaw built. I appreciate the way the series works as one long continuing story, which was something the Friday and Elm Street series never quite managed a grasp on. I also appreciate the relative purity of the films—ick for ick’s sake.
The problem here is that the writers wrote themselves into a bit of a corner at the end of part three when they killed the villain. There are, the way I see it, four possibilities for a continuation:
1. The villain is dead, leave him dead.
2. The villain isn’t dead; he’s either faked his death or has supernatural powers of some kind.
3. There is a copycat or accomplice to take over killing for the villain.
4. The new film takes place on an alternate timeline.

The Saw series may be full of impossible coincidences and minor plot holes, but it takes place in the real world, albeit a much more brightly coloured and noisy then our own. The supernatural option is right out, unless you want to piss off a whole lot of rabid fans. The first option is out because each movie in the series makes more money then the last, and Lionsgate knows their market. This leaves us with bits of options three and four. The writers have taken both options.
Saw IV is a partial prequel that also partially takes place at the same time as film three. This is kind of cheating, and not the rout I was hoping a future film would take, which would’ve been option one. I’d prefer that the ‘genius’ of the villain would supersede his death, that he’d be so clever that things could continue moving along smoothly without his assistance. It’s unbelievable, but believability isn’t really my concern with this series. The flashback nature adds a bit of emotional content I suppose, but in my most frank tone I have to admit I just don’t care about these characters. The accomplice angle is an even bigger cheat because I was led to understand that the point of episode three was that Jigsaw couldn’t trust an accomplice even when he was alive, and the first episode already dealt with a forced accomplice.

This film is the most creatively bankrupt of the series. The writers get an A for effort, but at this point there isn’t a whole lot to bring to the films from a story telling standpoint. Points have been made about humanity’s need to survive, and the fact that they’re willing to do horrible things to themselves or others. Saw III dealt with the possibility of forgiveness, and made the villain second-guess his own motives. This film doesn’t offer up anything new (though the eventual wrap around to the end of part three is a little clever, but falls short). Too many plot elements depend on characters doing such specific things that they’re robbed of any realistic weight. The pieces just didn’t fit this time (no pun intended), and I found very little satisfaction in the final product.
That leaves us with the pure horror elements, which also seem to be spinning idle. The Saw films have never been particularly scary, save a few jumps when pig-face grabs his victims, but the disturbance factor has been a constant. Saw IV opens with a delightfully revolting autopsy sequence, and follows it up with the sticky aftermath of one of the third films more lacklustre traps, then depends on a few particularly painful traps for the rest of the winces. I have little idea how much of the gore goods were cut for the R rating, but the grue is thick, if not totally constant. I expected the bigger budget to show itself in more complex and spectacular traps, but it seems that even those engines are running on fumes this time around.

Video
Lionsgate puts oodles of love into this particular baby. Saw III looked fabulous on DVD, so I expected Saw IV to look even better on Blu-ray. Details are very sharp in all kinds of lighting, though not quite as impossibly impeccable as some other high definition discs I’ve reviewed. Director Darren Lynn Bousman is still quite fond of his wacky colour schemes, though the overt greens are mostly saved for the scenes that harkens back to Saw III. This time we’ve got some really deadened and washed out blues, which look the best in HD, and some really bright reds, which display some noise, but not too much. The deep blacks, another important visual element to the series, are about as dark as my set will allow, and the grain is quite fine.
The only issue here is that I assumed the film would be presented in a 2.35:1 aspect ratio based on the sneak preview that came with the Saw III DVD. This disc is 1.78:1.
Audio
The extra two channels of the DTS-HD Master Audio track were lost on my five point one channel set-up, but the nearly-overwhelming audio fury didn’t not escape my notice. Again, I adore the over-the-top sound design on these films. The defining ambient noise is just as aggressive this time around. This DTS track is quite wacky at times, utilizing some obvious library effects (for instance, the sound of high voltage electricity) creating batches of unintentional hilarity. The centre channel dialogue isn’t lost in the mess, fortunately, and the fidelity of the voices is quite high and natural. The only lacking factor is the LFE track, which is tough, but not quite as rugged as one may expect from the format and film.

Extras
Two commentaries grace the disc, and the first is with producers Oren Koules, Mark Burg, Peter Block and Jason Constatine. It’s pretty much what one would expect from the four guys behind the money making process of a money grubbing series. These fellahs are all relatively artless, focusing mostly on the mechanics of the plot, and their general disapproval of just about every decision the director made. During the video diary featurette we get to see some of this animosity as is takes place.
The second commentary is with Director Darren Lynn Bousman and lead actor Lyriq Bent. They’re both charming guys, and work well together, mostly because Bousman is the authority on the film’s ins and outs and because Bent is seeing the final film for the first time. Bousman fills us in on the making of process, including both positive and negative tales (mostly negative), while Bent points out some of my favourite holes in the script (“Why doesn’t he open his mouth earlier?”, “Why didn’t I just shoot her hair?” etc). Bousman apparently had little or nothing to do with the editing process (he was working on Repo at the time), and he keeps noticing ‘unrated’ cut moments (apparently he didn’t know he was watching the unrated cut). However, no matter how many times Bousman lays out the ‘theme’ of Jigsaw’s ‘lessons’ they still reek of straw grasping.
‘Darren’s Video Diary’ is a brutally break neck look at the behind the scenes of a film that wasn’t ready to start filming. The majority of the featurette is comprised of people arguing very passive aggressively. This stuff is actually more nerve wracking then anything in the film. Somehow the crew managed to shoot forty or fifty shots a day and still fall behind their thirty-day schedule. My favourite moments where the ones where Bousman and his DP desperately try to find camera angles that they hadn’t already used a million times in the previous films. I also like the constant blurring of all Bousman’s T-shirts. The featurette runs thirty-two minutes.

Despite Bousman mentioning several deleted scenes during his commentary track, there is only one deleted scene on the disc. The scene is a throw away bit in the police station as the case is handed from one group of detectives to another, and lasts a whopping forty-four seconds.
There are two sets of featurettes, one set about the traps and one about the props. It’s funny, but really the props (including the traps) are the most interesting aspects of these films, so these very brief featurettes are essentially even more important to fans then the commentary tracks or the longer video diary. It was during these informative little pieces that I realized who screenwriters Patrick Melton and Marcus Dunstan were—they’re the guys from Project Greenlight season three, the ones who wrote that awful Feast script. ‘The Traps of Saw IV’ lasts about seventeen minutes, and ‘The Props of Saw IV’ lasts about nine minutes.
I was afraid that the ‘MoLog’ option wouldn’t work for my Profile 1.0 player. The whole thing was a little buggy and slow, but the only option that was entirely unavailable to me was the internet connection. The ‘MoLog’ is an ‘interactive movie blog’. It’s a little lame, honestly. Basically it’s an interface that allows fans to add images, words, and simple animation to their favourite scenes. The interface is a sort of super-simplified version of Flash. This extra seems aimed mostly at teenagers, which should be ironic considering the unrating, but we all know it isn’t.
The extras come to an end with a music video from a group of very pretty young men called ‘X Japan’, the original theatrical trailer, and trailers for other Lionsgate releases, including and effective Eye teaser (I’m sure the final film will be horrible), and one for Rambo.

Overall
I was pleasantly surprised by Saw III, but I’m left coldly disappointed by Saw IV. The film seems to have been made in committee, it’s cut to the barest minimums, and the plot is too much of a rehash. This Blu-Ray disc is sharp and sounds great, and features one solid commentary track and a tight little behind the scenes featurette. The director/actor commentary all but writes us out a guarantee of a future release of the film. Bousman points out a lot of editing changes that didn’t make this ‘director’s cut’ (in fact, he rarely refers to it as a ‘directors cut’, he calls it the ‘unrated cut’). There’s also mention of an alternate ending that is nowhere on this disc. I’m guessing most fans will regret this purchase sometime around October of this year. Buy at your own risk.
Review by Gabriel Powers
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OK parts 1-3 were alright, but then with dis one, it only seems that SAW films seem to getting gorier. THe movie plot is exciting and catchy.
i got the ending so confusing...
didnt actually understand it... lol
call me ignorant...
didnt actually understand it... lol
call me ignorant...
One day they will make a movie where the evil bad man is knocked out or maybe killed and the hero will actually go and blow the baddies brains out to ensure they are dead....
But I do dream...a lot....
But I do dream...a lot....
Saw 4 is rubbish! The "killer" twist is ridicoulos
I really enjoyed Saw 3 just a little long for a Torture Film, Saw 4 was ok, but it did explain how jigsaw became the man he is, I Love Torture Films!...SteveSky67
Saw III definitely closed the trilogy and opened new avenues that clearly weren't taken care of in Saw IV. There was a lot of options that could have been taken, but rushing a script means no time for reviewing and accepting it no matter how bad, which helps to screw up a series pretty well. In my mind, the series stopped when the original creators left the project. Saw IV happens in an alternate universe where a studio pumps as much money as it can on an overused tired idea that isn't looking to break new grounds. Ah well, there's always next year, as one may say, but I'm through.
Saw Iv
This franchise is starting to die down now.These films used to stay hot even after the first week of release,but not anymore.I think what's also ruining this franchise is they release a rushed sequel every year now,and they can't come up with anything new.I bet if they waited 2-3 years in between sequels,they would probably come up with something different,but this is a franchise that I believe will be direct to video by part 7.The reason I said 7 is that they plan on maing 10 of these films.
Im starting to think I am the only one who likes SAW IV!
I think I love them because in the 80's people had a F13TH or a NOES Every year now my generation has SAW Every year!
I still think IV was the BOMB!
I think I love them because in the 80's people had a F13TH or a NOES Every year now my generation has SAW Every year!
I still think IV was the BOMB!
I just watched this last night. I love the first three, especially the third. Saw IV is indeed a piece of c**p, regrettably so. The story is convoluted and doesn't make a whole lot of sense. The only one in the film who can act is the dead guy! Some of the traps are neat, but they're starting to feel a little old. The biggest let down is the ending. it doesn't really amount to anything and ends on a cop-out dues ex machina. Very dissapointing.
yes, they will do a Saw 5. It has been confirmed to the most part. I got bored after the middle of the first Saw. I do love Gabe's reviews as always.
aww sweetie it feels like i save myself hours of mediocre horror movies by getting my pop culture directly through you
still though, i'd love to see the opening scene. do you still have the disc?

i thought the movie was good but not as good as the first 3. i think they spent too much time on the cops and investigating and less time focusing on the game itself. i also dont like the new killer. i dont get what was so unrated about the unrated. didnt seem to add to the scrayness or vulgarity. i think the part i liked the most was jigsaws backstory. i think this movie is just more of a filler and needed to explain away some plotholes but still kind of left us with more. There is going to be a SAW 5 and 6 so hopefully the next one they can make this new killer more creepy and atleast give us some idea as to why and how they became the new jigsaw. Hopefully when the series is completed we can rewatch all the movies as a whole and the 4th one will fit nicely and will be better then the way we think of itnow.
Sulaco426 wrote: Surly, Lionsgate will release a two-disc ultimate edition around halloween like they always do.
Yeah your right. It's okay. But unrated and director's are the same. They got away with it on Saw III because it said unrated not director's cut. But saw says unrated director's cut. How are they gonna pull it off. Let me guess the two disc EXTENDED EDITION.
Yeah your right. It's okay. But unrated and director's are the same. They got away with it on Saw III because it said unrated not director's cut. But saw says unrated director's cut. How are they gonna pull it off. Let me guess the two disc EXTENDED EDITION.
Surly, Lionsgate will release a two-disc ultimate edition around halloween like they always do.
I mus be in the minority, but I enjoyed this one. Although I should note that I see this more Saw 1.2 than Saw 4. If you take it for that, it actually sets up the next film nicely. If you want something to continue from the last one, you will be disappointed.
Stopped paying attention after Saw II. I'll watch the others on Sky perhaps.
Great review as usual. Nice and thorough. Definitely a weak entry into the series even though it's been going downhill since the beginning. Sorry to everyone who enjoyed Cube/Saw. Not much else to say except that it was somewhat interesting how they advanced the series along. Yep...
These films, for whatever reason, are a guilty pleasure of mine. The twists and interwoven plots just awe me.
I'm buying this today with 3:10 to Yuma at Best Buy because of their 2 for $25 deal.
I'm buying this today with 3:10 to Yuma at Best Buy because of their 2 for $25 deal.
I enjoyed Saw IV but I left the theater confused and had to replay it all. There are actually three twists to the movie as a whole and I just dislike the Saw III aspect of this one.
That said I'm going to pass on this Bluray for once. Because the Bluray costs so much and with a different cut in 6 months I think I can hold out.
That said I'm going to pass on this Bluray for once. Because the Bluray costs so much and with a different cut in 6 months I think I can hold out.
I liked it. I think I am unable to not like a Saw movie. I liked it better than III actually I think, I thought the traps were fairly clever and I found it less dour. I understand they're horror movies and they're not really meant to be charming, but I thought III laid it on a little thick with Jeff screaming in unhappiness during every single scene -- Rigg was smarter and more determined, and spent less time whining than Jeff does.
My biggest regret is still that they retained Bousman for not one but three sequels. I'm sure it would have been a nightmare for the producers but I always thought it would have been cool if a first-time feature director had gotten their shot on each consecutive Saw film. At least they're handing the reigns over to someone else for the next two installments, but I imagine they'll look much the same. If only they'd move away from the dank green color -- much of the first movie didn't actually have that horrible filter during every scene.
My biggest regret is still that they retained Bousman for not one but three sequels. I'm sure it would have been a nightmare for the producers but I always thought it would have been cool if a first-time feature director had gotten their shot on each consecutive Saw film. At least they're handing the reigns over to someone else for the next two installments, but I imagine they'll look much the same. If only they'd move away from the dank green color -- much of the first movie didn't actually have that horrible filter during every scene.
No problem man.
Gabe Powers wrote: The only twist was who the bad guy was.
ya.. and thats my apologies... i completely got my characters mixed up! It was a good review though! Sorry for not paying enough attention!
ya.. and thats my apologies... i completely got my characters mixed up! It was a good review though! Sorry for not paying enough attention!
I have to agree with Gabe here. Even I wouldn't have shown much love to Saw IV in my review had I written one.
I opened with a warning, what more do you guys want? I didn't ruin anything about part 4, I thought it was really really obvious that we went back in time after the first scene. The only twist was who the bad guy was.
good review, the movie wasnt that good, but its a horror movie and these days, what can you really expect from them?
Well...
Brad Hamerly wrote: Way to give away the ending in the first paragraph of your review!
It wasn't the first paragraph, but he did ruin the "same time at part III" twist, which isn't cool.
It wasn't the first paragraph, but he did ruin the "same time at part III" twist, which isn't cool.
Edit... i'm a dumbass.... i got my characters mixed up!
my apologies there for that!!
my apologies there for that!!
Saw 4 was horrible. I wasn't even hyped up because I was also strangely left cold by Saw 3. There is no new territory this series could venture to. Saw and Saw 2 are the only ones worth seeing.
he gave away the ending? that first paragraph reads like a breakdown of the plot, not the spoiling of an ending.
anyway these movies make for good rentals but thats it. and since i've seen the first 3 i'll check this out eventually. and regarding the future sequel thing, well they already announced part 5 comes this october and i read also that a part 6 is already greenlighted.
so comparing this to Friday and Elm Street was quite acurate. but to play devil's advocate to Freddy, there was an ongoing continuation in the overall series up til the 6th. characters survived to future movies and references were made to past movies and the such. even Freddy VS. Jason acknowledged this by showing clips of the first 6. but i know what you meant here, this is truly like one long story split into however many sequels there will ultimately be. while Freddy had connections and while seeing the previous movie helped, you didnt NEED to see it to understand or enjoy. Unlike Saw where you'd be pretty lost watching anything other than the first without having seen them all.
but good review, i read it all and still dont feel very spoiled on this movie, kudos. lol
anyway these movies make for good rentals but thats it. and since i've seen the first 3 i'll check this out eventually. and regarding the future sequel thing, well they already announced part 5 comes this october and i read also that a part 6 is already greenlighted.
so comparing this to Friday and Elm Street was quite acurate. but to play devil's advocate to Freddy, there was an ongoing continuation in the overall series up til the 6th. characters survived to future movies and references were made to past movies and the such. even Freddy VS. Jason acknowledged this by showing clips of the first 6. but i know what you meant here, this is truly like one long story split into however many sequels there will ultimately be. while Freddy had connections and while seeing the previous movie helped, you didnt NEED to see it to understand or enjoy. Unlike Saw where you'd be pretty lost watching anything other than the first without having seen them all.
but good review, i read it all and still dont feel very spoiled on this movie, kudos. lol
Way to give away the ending in the first paragraph of your review!


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Disc Details
Release Date:
22nd January 2008
Discs:
1
Disc Type:
Blu-ray Disc
RCE:
No
Video:
1080p
Aspect:
1.78:1
Anamorphic:
No
Colour:
Yes
Audio:
DTS-HD Master 7.1 English, Dolby Digital EX English
Subtitles:
English, English HoH, French, Portuguese, Spanish
Extras:
Prodcer Commentary, Director and Star Commentary, Darren's Video Diary, The Traps of Saw IV, The Props of Saw IV, X-Japan Music Video, Trailers, Deleted Scene, MoLog Interactive Movie Blog
Easter Egg:
No
Feature Details
Director:
Darren Lynn Bousman
Cast:
Tobin Bell, Darrell Dennis, Ron Lea, Justin Louis, Angus MacFadyen
Genre:
Horror
Length:
98 minutes
Ratings
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