Superman Returns: Special Edition (US - DVD R1)
Gabe thinks the Man of Steel got a bum wrap on his flawed return to film...
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After 5 years away from Earth, searching the exploded remains of his home planet Krypton, Superman has returned. The only problem is that in his absence, the world has moved on. Lois Lane is engaged with a son, and has won a Pulitzer Prize for an editorial entitled "Why the World Doesn't Need Superman". But the depressed Kryptonian isn't the only man back in the limelight, Lex Luthor has rebuilt his empire, and thanks to the fact that Superman wasn't around to testify at his hearing, is free from prison.

Superman Returns, in this humble man's opinion, should've been garbage. First of all, we live in a time where the character has become painfully quaint. A world where even Tim Burton's representation of Batman seems too childish. When it was released less than 20 years ago, audiences were shocked by its PG-13 nature. Batman can be coloured much darker than Burton represented him, but Superman? Superman's a boy scout, a relic, and boy scouts and relics belong in museums, not in modern cinemas.
I'll also mention the sad fact that I don't really like Richard Donner's original film, or films if you count the second movie, and I knew that director Bryan Singer wasn't planning on rebooting the series. Superman Returns is a semi-sequel to Superman II. Donner's films have aged poorly, and I honestly see them in the same campy light I see the old '60s Batman series. I appreciate their existence, and readily acknowledge that without the original film I wouldn't have Spiderman or Batman Begins, but I just don't like the film, and was not looking forward to a multi-million dollar direct follow-up, no matter who was behind the camera.
And who was behind the camera, but the man who ditched the X-Men franchise. X-Men 2 is most likely my favourite superhero film ever made, and it ended on one of the best cliff hangers a fan could possibly ask for, the reflection of the Dark Phoenix. I can't help but be "very disappointed" in Singer for his decision to leave the franchise in the hands of Brett Ratner and a series of Fox executives with only money on their minds. I blame Singer as much for the utter failure of X-Men 3 (which was released a little over a month before Superman Returns) as I do anyone else.
Watching the film in theaters this past summer, I was already expecting to be under whelmed and unimpressed, and shockingly enough I wasn't, not completely. The film opens with the same credit music and title graphics as the original. Everything's happy and silly, but as Bryan Singer's name faded, so did all those dated, warm-fuzzy feelings. Despite the production's assurances that Superman Returns would be a continuation of Donner's films, this is a much darker, and more modern film. It isn't dark in that bloodthirsty way most modern comic book films like Batman Begins or Blade tend to be, Superman Returns is a shockingly melancholy film. It's concerned with emotion and levity even more than spectacle or entertainment. It is this sad streak that was the film's ultimate downfall, but it's also the only thing that made the film at all memorable to me.

Warner Bros. shouldn't have been surprised by the fact that their $270 million investment didn't show a return based on the returns and public opinion of Universal's 2003 comic book release, Hulk. Hulk was an artistically and emotionally ambitious film released to an audience that wanted to see smashing. It's a flawed film, but one that I adore, and one that cannot be accused of being unoriginal. The overall idea of Superman Returns, a superhero film featuring an infinitely powerful character feeling sorry for himself and lost in the world, is very similar to that of Ang Lee's giant green box-office flop. If Hulk was a superhero movie by way of a Chinese opera, Superman Returns is a superhero movie by way of a trashy romance novel as written by someone like Arthur Miller. Kind of.
I had to ask myself what Singer saw in the character, other than a fetishistic love for the original film. What was it about this superhero that made him willing to leave a series he built from the ground up in the incapable hands of a bunch of Fox bean counters? Well, Singer makes very personal films. X-men 2 (in my opinion his best film), is a pretty obvious metaphor for feeling out of step with the rest of the world. Singer seems to have an abundance of angst and alienation, and Freud would tell you this was due to the fact that he was adopted and is gay. Who could possibly be more alienated than a homosexual in America but a mutant. And who could possibly be more alienated than a mutant but an alien. And, of course, who could be more alienated than an average alien on earth? Why, an alien that is the last remaining member of his entire species.
The adoption angle is key, as everyone knows (or at least everyone with a general knowledge of the character) that Superman himself was adopted. This is magnified by one of the film's most maligned plot points, one that I cannot go into without a bit of spoilage. Skip the rest of this paragraph if you haven't seen the film. I am speaking of the inclusion of Superman's son by Lois (which must be disturbing to Lois, as she had her mind erased at the end of Superman II, and must not remember ever having sexual intercourse with the Man of Steel), which at first seems like a cheap ploy for drama, but by the end of the film actually makes sense. As Superman stood over his sleeping child, willing to let his child be raised by mortals as he was, I finally got that the character was suppose to bring about an emotional circle for our hero. It does create a problem for the possible sequel though.

The majority of average people (i.e.: not critics) I've spoken to complained about the lack of action in the film. I have to agree. I really could've done with a fistfight between Superman and someone like Zod, or Braniac, but we only get a few scenes of the Man of Steel saving people from large-scale disasters. There is one ingenious sequence at about the 40-minute mark where Superman saves a falling jet full of reporters, and sets it down in a baseball field. The ingenious part comes in not with the actual action of saving the plane, which is nice, but in the fact that Superman makes his reappearance to the world in the most public way possible. It's funny, and humour is lacking in the rest of the film. The whole thing is rather down hill from this point.
But the problem isn't so much the lack of action, but the lack of normal superhero intrigue. Somehow, with more millions of dollars at their disposal than any film in history (allegedly), Singer and company forgot to write an interesting overall story. X-men seemed like an unfinished film due to Fox's budget and time restraints, but despite the brief run time Singer managed to introduce characters and conceive of a threat for them to quash. With Superman the writers had a chance to really open up the canvas with a pre-existing character that was already part of the public zeitgeist, and they have Lex Luthor concoct another real-estate scam? Don't get me wrong, it's a really great scam, but we've seen that already.
Luthor is still an intriguing character, thanks in no small part to Kevin Spacey who strikes a nice balance between funny and frightening. This isn't the harmlessly wicked Luthor of the Donner films, but a very angry Luthor bent on revenge. Well, revenge and a real estate scam. It's too bad the character is so neglected by the writing staff. I would've pushed the opposing nature of the hero and villain a little more.

With a runtime of two and a half hours, it's maddening that almost nothing really happens. The theme of alienation and solitude is a nice one, but when the film meanders like a Kabuki show on downers it's all a bit too much. By the time Luthor's plans finally come to fruition the 90% of the theatrical audience was checking their watches. A long movie isn't a problem so long as there's still a bunch of plot to plough through, but here it's indulgent. I understand that the importance of Lois and her fiancé’s relationship is important, but sticking by them during two elongated, Superman-less action scenes is unnecessary (not to mention a waste of a massive budget). I would've cut these scenes, which would be unfortunate because it would mean cutting James Marsden, a good actor, from another superhero movie (the guy was royally screwed on X-3).
Cinematically, this is a freaking gorgeous film, from cinematography to costume design (I like the new look, the old suit looked like a Halloween costume). I wish that Metropolis itself was more stylized, as only the Daily Planet set looks like anything special. I'd heard somewhere that Singer was looking to create an Art Deco look to the film to set it in the same sort of non-existent, style-bending timeline, like the Batman animated series, or Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow. I see a bit of this in the finished film, but not as much as I'd really like. Despite this, the look of the film is striking, just in a slightly less overtly stylized way, and I'm happy to say that it looks a Hell of a lot classier than the Donner films.
I can't wrap this rather lengthy little review up without mentioning Superman himself, Brandon Routh. Routh had some huge shoes to fill, as Christopher Reeves' rendition of the character is one of the most popular and enduring film characters of all time. Even I liked him in the role. Singer was smart to cast an unknown, and his choice paid off in spades. I can't imagine Nic Cage, or any of the other name actors once attached to role holding a candle to Routh, who embodies both the Man of Steel and his bumbling alter ego positively perfectly. He's a joy all around, and I hope he has a successful career in the future. He deserves it. Between Routh and Hugh Jackman, Singer is officially 2 for 2 in the field of casting unknowns as popular comic book characters. I'll also give some quick props to Parker Posey, who's adorable and hilarious in her supporting role. Another great choice.

Video
Big budget blockbusters are filmed in digital HD more frequently these days thanks to George Lucas (even if you hate the man's films, you have to acknowledge his contributions to modern film). Superman Returns is no exception. Unfortunately, the fact that I know it was meant for an HD presentation means I'm less willing to let video quality inadequacies slide.
Overall the image is very pretty, and so long as sequences are well lit they look great. Colours are bright, and edges are crisp and solid. Problems arise in darkness. Dark backgrounds are wrought with noise and blocking. Shadowed skin tones suffer from some cross-colouration, and even digital blocking in some of the more severe cases. I'm very curious about the Blu-ray and HD DVD releases. Did Warner Bros. put all there effort into the next gen formats and dump on those of us still unable, or unwilling to shell out the cash for a next gen player, or do all the transfers suffer from these problems? This is a top tier presentation on some levels, but it's nothing as stunning as other filmed in HD (not HD-DVD) releases like Revenge of the Sith, or even Wolf Creek.

Audio
DTS fans will be bummed by the lack of a DTS track, as the only track available is an old fashion 5.1 Dolby Digital one. Perhaps a DTS track could've been even more spectacular, but I find complaints very hard to come by here. This is an equally aggressive and subtle track that strikes an amazing balance at even high volume levels. The LFE track is almost too much at times, but it rarely overpowers the rest of the track. Dialogue is clear and centered, and discernable even during louder sequences. The immersing quality of the mix is best displayed during the sequences on New Krypton, where one can hear the sound of the ground creaking with growth and the sky rocked with thunder.
Extras
There is no doubt in my mind that there will be a double dip on this DVD. Every extra here points to more available, and the possibility of a sequel is looking more and more realistic. This 2-disc set isn't a complete disappointment, but is lacking nonetheless.
The first disc is completely barebones. The second disc starts with almost 3 hours of behind the scenes production diaries. It's very, very obvious that there was a lot more of this stuff, and the editing choices here seem random and curious. There is a whole bunch of good info, and viewers do get a first hand view of the filmmaking process, but there is something definitely lacking. The footage is best when it shows us a bit of Singer's dark side. According to several accounts from the set of X-Men 2 the director can be very hard to work with. Alan Cumming, Halle Barry, and other cast members have stated unspecific problems on several occasions since the film's release. Only notoriously nice Hugh Jackman has kept his mouth shut, though apparently his relationship with Singer was also rocky.

I'm also happy so much attention is paid to Spacey and Routh. Spacey seems to have become a bit of a diva over the years, but his stand-up comic roots make him ever entertaining to watch work. Routh appears to be the nicest guy in the world. He's always warm to the behind the scenes crew, almost painfully modest, and one can really see the reasoning behind Singer's selection. Surprisingly, Kate Bosworth, who played Lois Lane, is somewhat ignored in the footage. I'm curious about this, as I thought she was the one weak link in the cast. Perhaps there were some problems being saved for another DVD release.
The deleted scenes are incomplete and consist mostly of quiet moments on the Kent family farm. Singer has spoken publicly about a trashed scene of Kal-El visiting the remains of Krypton, and the production diaries feature another deleted scene between Superman and Daily Planet boss Mr. White. My guess is that there's at least another hour of deleted footage, which may explain the extraneous budget. The best of the included scenes is one where Clark realizes his mother is dating an old family friend. He deals with the revelation in a surprisingly selfish fashion, adding to his selfless final act arch.
The features are finished off with a brief featurette about the compositing process made on old footage of Marlon Brando. The fact that this is the closest we get to an in depth look at the digital effects of the film (there's some footage of the mo-cap process on the production diaries) is another clue pointing to a deluxe release in our future. There's also a small collection of trailers for Superman Returns and various video games featuring the character.

Overall
A flawed film, no doubt, Superman Returns is better on a second viewing. It's melancholy nature may turn off most viewers, but those willing to take such a sad journey are lucky enough to enjoy some top notch performances and a striking visual look. It isn't quite the overwhelming romantic tear-jerking Singer wanted it to be, but it also doesn't deserve the mediocre fate it seems to have inherited. The DVD has a flawed video transfer, but a great audio presentation, and some decent special features. I've no doubt that a double dip is in our future, but I think at least a rental is in order. Super-fans really should give it a second chance.
Review by Gabriel Powers
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Yes, the missing commentary is another sign of a future double dip.
Great review, both sides are shown, and that's good. I actually liked how, like in real life, the world has moved on from Superman, we no longer need him to give us hope, while at the same time, we need him more than ever. Spacey was Lex Luthor, Hackman was good, but too campy. Bosworth... I'm sure she'll grow on me, just one thing I can't get past is the stark change of character, but 5 years, people change. Routh as Superman, stellar casting, he looks and acts almost exactly like CR and it makes for a perfect character.
The plot... Yes, repeptitive, but not boring. The character study is what made me go see this twice (IMAX version, dizzyness
). Overall well made, I probably would give it an 8 or 8.5. Too bad the video is sub par (in comparison).
The plot... Yes, repeptitive, but not boring. The character study is what made me go see this twice (IMAX version, dizzyness
I missed out on the IMAX experience, which scenes were 3-D?
The Smallville Memories
The Plane Rescue
Parts of the Island being formed and when Spoiler Lois and company are saved
The final scene where he flies by and waves/winks/smiles to the camera.
The Plane Rescue
Parts of the Island being formed and when Spoiler Lois and company are saved
The final scene where he flies by and waves/winks/smiles to the camera.
The Richard Donner film was campy? You compare it to the Batman's 60's show?? Bryan Singer was responsible for X3's failure???
No, no, no.
Donner's film played on the idea of a Superhero in a realistic world. His main goal and philosophy behind the film was to avoid the campyness of the 60's Batman show.
Singer choose the job he wanted and said to Fox that he would be happy to direct X3 after he finished Superman. Singer didn't have anything to do with X3 nor was it his responsibility to make it. I think many directors would and clearly have jumped at the chance of Directing a Superman Movie. Who'd blame him.
No, no, no.
Donner's film played on the idea of a Superhero in a realistic world. His main goal and philosophy behind the film was to avoid the campyness of the 60's Batman show.
Singer choose the job he wanted and said to Fox that he would be happy to direct X3 after he finished Superman. Singer didn't have anything to do with X3 nor was it his responsibility to make it. I think many directors would and clearly have jumped at the chance of Directing a Superman Movie. Who'd blame him.
My dislike of the Donner films is a personal taste thing, so I can't be wrong.
But Bryan Singer ditching X3 in pre-production was the first step on the road to failure. I explained that pretty well I thought.
But Bryan Singer ditching X3 in pre-production was the first step on the road to failure. I explained that pretty well I thought.
was really letdown by the 5.1 on the DVD. I had to crank up the volume to about 41 to get the apartment to rattle during the action scenes. the music can be heard in all it’s melodramatic glory but not the sound. probably need to check my wiring since everyone praises the sound so much
and I can't wait for this review thread to turn into another X3 vs. Superman Returns battle. wonder who will get banned this time
and I can't wait for this review thread to turn into another X3 vs. Superman Returns battle. wonder who will get banned this time
I love the Donner Movie! To this day I hate Batman because it had no heart and I didn't give a s**t about anybody! In Superman we love Lois! We fell in Love with Lois they way Superman did!
I am no Xmen expert by any stretch of the imagination, but as a viewer of all 3 films I preferred the Last Stand to the first 2 by miles. I thought it was much better than the first 2 though the dialogue at times was a bit juvanile, they had far more action which is want I want from films of this kind. Even tho I know the comic fans want character development more.
Was disappointed in SR but I do love the first. Too much love story BS. I mean they are comic books who gives a s**t about love, bring on the action!
Was disappointed in SR but I do love the first. Too much love story BS. I mean they are comic books who gives a s**t about love, bring on the action!
I wasn't a fan of this film, so I'll wait for a pricedrop before I pick up the DVD.
Aren't you bored of action movies Dicky? I haven't seen a good one in a long time, and of all the things that were bad about X3, the action was pretty high on the list. Action was the one thing I expected out of that film after interesting directors like Singer, Poryas, Whedon, and Matthew Vaughn were no longer attached.
Superman Returns was light on action, but the few action scenes were well directed, with a nice sense of geography and physics.
The two films, however, are only compareable as comic book films released the same year, otherwise they're completely different films with completely different goals. X3 wanted to thrill an audience and make as much money as possible. Superman Returns wanted to be something more. It may have failed on many levels, but I don't see it as a money making ploy on the parts of the creative staff.
Superman Returns was light on action, but the few action scenes were well directed, with a nice sense of geography and physics.
The two films, however, are only compareable as comic book films released the same year, otherwise they're completely different films with completely different goals. X3 wanted to thrill an audience and make as much money as possible. Superman Returns wanted to be something more. It may have failed on many levels, but I don't see it as a money making ploy on the parts of the creative staff.
I'm another of those who thought Hulk has been given far too much c**p from the "Hulk must crush things" crowd. I love that film for all the reasons Gabe listed.
Same goes for Superman Returns. I loved this film and can't wait to watch it again.
I'm tell you folks, now that the DVD is out, take the DVD for the Donner film and Returns. Keep track of the total time afforded the action sequences and you will find there is as much action in Supes 06 as there is in Supes 78. Do the same for the "romantic" scenes. You will find almost the exact amount of time spent in Supes 78 as is spent in Supes 06.
Same goes for Superman Returns. I loved this film and can't wait to watch it again.
I'm tell you folks, now that the DVD is out, take the DVD for the Donner film and Returns. Keep track of the total time afforded the action sequences and you will find there is as much action in Supes 06 as there is in Supes 78. Do the same for the "romantic" scenes. You will find almost the exact amount of time spent in Supes 78 as is spent in Supes 06.
At the risk of turning this into a Batman Vs Superman thread...
stanton heck wrote: I love the Donner Movie! To this day I hate Batman because it had no heart and I didn't give a s**t about anybody! In Superman we love Lois! We fell in Love with Lois the way Superman did!
Ummmm, exactly? That's the point of Batman. Gotham is rotten, Batman is a vigilante, not a "boy scout relic" in a bright and happy Metropolis. Batman has had many "lady loves" over the years, Superman has one, Lois, and only Lois (Lana is the past, when he was Clark Kent of Smallville (and no, not the c**ppy TV show)). The Batman films had plenty of heart, just a stone cold, dead, black one.
stanton heck wrote: I love the Donner Movie! To this day I hate Batman because it had no heart and I didn't give a s**t about anybody! In Superman we love Lois! We fell in Love with Lois the way Superman did!
Ummmm, exactly? That's the point of Batman. Gotham is rotten, Batman is a vigilante, not a "boy scout relic" in a bright and happy Metropolis. Batman has had many "lady loves" over the years, Superman has one, Lois, and only Lois (Lana is the past, when he was Clark Kent of Smallville (and no, not the c**ppy TV show)). The Batman films had plenty of heart, just a stone cold, dead, black one.
I love this movie as much as I love "Superman 2". I think that Superman can't be darker than what he was in the original movie, but the times change and Singer wanted to make it more suitable to today's audiences. I will definately give the sequel a try. In my opinion, the best so far is "Superman: The Movie" by Donner.
I didn't like the "Hulk" when it was first released and I was also expecting him to be smashing things all throughout the movie. Back then I was like any other teen wanting to see stuff blow up. Boy was I wrong about that film. I bought it around a year ago and, in my opinion, I think its one of the best Superhero movies out there along with X-Men 2, Batman Begins and Spider-Man 2.
I have nothing to say about X-Men 3 other than to feel sorry for all of us who wanted something more out of the 'final' chapter of the 'trilogy'.
"Batman Begins" gave new and fresh life to the character/franchise. I hope the sequels surpass what Begins established.
I didn't like the "Hulk" when it was first released and I was also expecting him to be smashing things all throughout the movie. Back then I was like any other teen wanting to see stuff blow up. Boy was I wrong about that film. I bought it around a year ago and, in my opinion, I think its one of the best Superhero movies out there along with X-Men 2, Batman Begins and Spider-Man 2.
I have nothing to say about X-Men 3 other than to feel sorry for all of us who wanted something more out of the 'final' chapter of the 'trilogy'.
"Batman Begins" gave new and fresh life to the character/franchise. I hope the sequels surpass what Begins established.
I liked Superman Returns. I am am VERY HAPPY to have gotten the ultimate edition. Like mentioned by Gabriel in his reveiw, there is WAY TOO MUCH missing on the extras features for Supeman returns, I love 3 hours of behind the scenes stuff but where is all the post production features, all the CGI work done in this film? No DTS and no commentary? I'm pretty sure there will be a SUPER DUPER edition somtime in the future.
Now for my BIG gripe. I think the video transfer on this film is PRETTY BAD. Very grainy, especially in dark scenes. After seeing this on the largest Screen in Minnesota 3 times and the image being clear and pristine. I was expecting ALOT MORE in video quality. I bet the Blu-Ray and HD are flawless but the standard dvd which most americans, 99.9% are consumers of got screwed over. This should have been an absolutely FLAWLESS transfer ands it's like they ADDED noise to the image to make the HD/Blu-Ray look better.
It makes me angry as a consumer to $70.00 on the ULTIMATE EDITION and get a sub par, noises video transfer when I expected to be AMAZING. Maybe this has to do with the fact that this film was shot on a never before used new PANAVISION HD camera that sony helped build. Maybe this new camera had a problem dealing with very dark images filmed, who knows, we may never know. OK, enough about my rant on the video quality of superman returns.
Over I really like this movie, I think it has plenty of action, just to many lex luthor scenes that drag down the last half of the film.
Last, I'm not sure what to think of the Donner cut of Superman 2. Was OK, maybe I need to watch it a few more times. I think donner tryed to cut as much LESTER changes to the film as he could and only keep as possible to keep some sort of coherant story. It was definately alot less campy and funny.
Now for my BIG gripe. I think the video transfer on this film is PRETTY BAD. Very grainy, especially in dark scenes. After seeing this on the largest Screen in Minnesota 3 times and the image being clear and pristine. I was expecting ALOT MORE in video quality. I bet the Blu-Ray and HD are flawless but the standard dvd which most americans, 99.9% are consumers of got screwed over. This should have been an absolutely FLAWLESS transfer ands it's like they ADDED noise to the image to make the HD/Blu-Ray look better.
It makes me angry as a consumer to $70.00 on the ULTIMATE EDITION and get a sub par, noises video transfer when I expected to be AMAZING. Maybe this has to do with the fact that this film was shot on a never before used new PANAVISION HD camera that sony helped build. Maybe this new camera had a problem dealing with very dark images filmed, who knows, we may never know. OK, enough about my rant on the video quality of superman returns.
Over I really like this movie, I think it has plenty of action, just to many lex luthor scenes that drag down the last half of the film.
Last, I'm not sure what to think of the Donner cut of Superman 2. Was OK, maybe I need to watch it a few more times. I think donner tryed to cut as much LESTER changes to the film as he could and only keep as possible to keep some sort of coherant story. It was definately alot less campy and funny.
I must have my switches crossed or something. Money-grubbing executives aside, I found "X-Men: The Last Stand" to be a dramatically and emotionally satisfying conclusion to the trilogy ... a success on just about every level. (I should note that while I'm a big comics fan in general, I have never been able to get into the X-Men comics, nor did the original Dark Phoenix saga do anything for me.) I'm sorry Marsden got the shaft, but to be honest I never cared much for his character in the first place. "Last Stand" did just fine by me, and I was happy to buy the DVD.
By contrast, I found "Superman Returns" to be a turgid mess. I love the character of Superman (I feel he was best-realized in the animated series created by Dini/Timm). I can appreciate Singer's aspirations, I was just totally turned off by his approach. I can enjoy Superman stories with deeper issues on their mind -- but not when it comes completely at the expense of color and fun. All of Gabe's criticisms apply -- but I think they irked me more than they irked him.
I'm also a film music geek ... and while John Powell really rose to the occasion with X3, crafting a dynamic and memorable score rich in texture and melodic development, John Ottman alternately bored me and annoyed me with his shapeless, flat writing and dumbing-down of John Williams' original orchestrations/arrangements. Film Score Monthly's SR podcast (No. 14, available for free download via iTunes) does a good job of expressing my frustration with Ottman's effort.
In short, when doing my DVD shopping today, I was more than content to pick up "The Christopher Reeve Collection". (Advance reviews have killed any interest I had in owning "Superman II: The Donner Cut", and the "Look Up In The Sky" documentary, while sporadically interesting, spends way too much time on "Superman Returns", which I disliked, and completely glosses over the 90s animated series, which I cherish. So, nice packaging and a few exclusive docs aside, the "Ultimate" collection was a "no sale".)
By contrast, I found "Superman Returns" to be a turgid mess. I love the character of Superman (I feel he was best-realized in the animated series created by Dini/Timm). I can appreciate Singer's aspirations, I was just totally turned off by his approach. I can enjoy Superman stories with deeper issues on their mind -- but not when it comes completely at the expense of color and fun. All of Gabe's criticisms apply -- but I think they irked me more than they irked him.
I'm also a film music geek ... and while John Powell really rose to the occasion with X3, crafting a dynamic and memorable score rich in texture and melodic development, John Ottman alternately bored me and annoyed me with his shapeless, flat writing and dumbing-down of John Williams' original orchestrations/arrangements. Film Score Monthly's SR podcast (No. 14, available for free download via iTunes) does a good job of expressing my frustration with Ottman's effort.
In short, when doing my DVD shopping today, I was more than content to pick up "The Christopher Reeve Collection". (Advance reviews have killed any interest I had in owning "Superman II: The Donner Cut", and the "Look Up In The Sky" documentary, while sporadically interesting, spends way too much time on "Superman Returns", which I disliked, and completely glosses over the 90s animated series, which I cherish. So, nice packaging and a few exclusive docs aside, the "Ultimate" collection was a "no sale".)
i don't know why..bu ti've never liked Superman...i don't realy can tell why is that..but it's my least fav. superhero.
Once again...nice review Gabe
Once again...nice review Gabe
Did'nt like this at all, although I might give it a whirl under the influence of alcohol, now that I have my Ultimate Collection set. Watched the Donner cut of II last night, and I actually had a tear in my eye watching it. Despite all its flaws, it was beautiful, and showed that Donner was right all along. On a side note, I enjoyed X-3 much more than Superman Returns, which was also highly flawed, and also Hulk, which is destined for cult greatness, I hope. I can understand why people don't like it, though, although it seems a bit daft calling a comic book film 'too comic book' in its design, and execution. A bit like calling Shakespeare a bit 'too Shakespeare'...
Ahhh - pleanty of promise but failed to live up to it - Ta for the good review Gabe
I'm guessing you saw the IMAX version at the zoo then, JackJack?
I really wish that X3 and Superman Returns had been released a year apart because there's really no point in comparing them. I admit that my mention of the mutant dump-zone in my review may've contributed to the problem. I've made it pretty clear how much I was burned by X3 in the site forums over the past 6 months, I thought it was half great, and half garbage. I think that comparing Superman Returns to the original films is a more constructive critisism. Or even X-men 2.
I really wish that X3 and Superman Returns had been released a year apart because there's really no point in comparing them. I admit that my mention of the mutant dump-zone in my review may've contributed to the problem. I've made it pretty clear how much I was burned by X3 in the site forums over the past 6 months, I thought it was half great, and half garbage. I think that comparing Superman Returns to the original films is a more constructive critisism. Or even X-men 2.
We have had almost a life-long love of Richard Donner's Superman movie. Though it had a little tongue-in-cheek, there was a sincerity to it that elevated above previous attempts to bring a superhero to life.
We happened to watch Superman Returns twice during its' theatrical run in the UK, and we loved it when we saw it the first time, but during the second viewing, the cracks REALLY started to show.
If internet rumours are to be believed, the second movie (for which Singer and Brandon Routh have both signed on) will be a lot more economical and more action-orientated. They appear to be taking the Richard Lester Superman II approach.
Superman Returns wasn't NEARLY the big box-office bonanza Warner Bros thought it would be, as they kept it in theatres just long enough to limp past the gross required to delcare it a success and commission a sequel.
Our opinion on X-Men: The Last Stand - it is quite possibly the quintessential popcorn movie, being like a bag of popcorn - you can happily munch through it but when it's over, you find yourself wishing that you had taken in something more substantial...
THE WILSON BROS
We happened to watch Superman Returns twice during its' theatrical run in the UK, and we loved it when we saw it the first time, but during the second viewing, the cracks REALLY started to show.
If internet rumours are to be believed, the second movie (for which Singer and Brandon Routh have both signed on) will be a lot more economical and more action-orientated. They appear to be taking the Richard Lester Superman II approach.
Superman Returns wasn't NEARLY the big box-office bonanza Warner Bros thought it would be, as they kept it in theatres just long enough to limp past the gross required to delcare it a success and commission a sequel.
Our opinion on X-Men: The Last Stand - it is quite possibly the quintessential popcorn movie, being like a bag of popcorn - you can happily munch through it but when it's over, you find yourself wishing that you had taken in something more substantial...
THE WILSON BROS
I personally found X3 to be much more satisfying from an emotional and pure action respect. I thought the 1st Xmen was weighted down with having to be an origin film with multiple characters. X2 was an improvement, but still, I just wasn't pulled in. Just something about X3 I found much more satisfying. I know that is blasphamy to the hardcore comic fans, but not being a fan of the comics, just from a purely film respect, I enjoyed it more than the other 2 X films.
I can't find the freak'n Ultimate collection anwywhere in town!!!! The single and double disks of REturns can be found in abundance, but the Reeves and Ultimate box sets are MIA.
I can't find the freak'n Ultimate collection anwywhere in town!!!! The single and double disks of REturns can be found in abundance, but the Reeves and Ultimate box sets are MIA.
I for one didn't like Batman Begins. It killed the mystery aspect of the Batman character. I still rank it higher than the Schumacher outings (but then, I'd rank *anything* higher than the Schumacher outings).
Is it not a contradiction to praise Parker Posey's "hilarious" performance and Kevin Spacey's "balance between funny and frightening and then refer to the film post-airplane-scene as humourless?
I personally loved the film and thought it was the best of the year so far. I don't mind that it only has a few action scenes, as Superman (at least on film) has often had a significan amount of run-time devoted to the conflict and repression that comes with his dual identity.
Frankly, I enjoyed it more than any of the other films I saw at the cinema this year.
I personally loved the film and thought it was the best of the year so far. I don't mind that it only has a few action scenes, as Superman (at least on film) has often had a significan amount of run-time devoted to the conflict and repression that comes with his dual identity.
Frankly, I enjoyed it more than any of the other films I saw at the cinema this year.
On the total gross department, seems EVERYONE has forgotten Batman Begins made 205 million domestically, a mere 5 million more than Superman Returns, and 166 million overseas, almost 30 million LESS than Returns. Yet somehow Begin's box office is seen as a major success and Returns' box office is disappointing. You can point to the cost of Superman Returns, but then again that 270 million is from ALL of the start/stop attempts as well as the current costs. Also, Batman Begins was budgeted at 150 million. Singer brought home Superman Returns for 50 million more. But you also have to remember the effects for Superman are naturally going to be higher given you have a character that must be seen flying.
Maybe it is that the fanfare for Begins was much lower, the character is not as beloved by a general mass, but still, both of these films performed virtually the same domestically and overseas at the box office but the spin put on them is different, very interesting. People have to erase the 150 million budget compared to the 270 million. Point being, two films from successful comic and movie franchises were seen by the same amount of people. How that means one is a success and the other isn't just doesn't make sense to me.
Personally, given the disappointment of their last installments and especially Superman Returns' development from hell, BOTH films did well in restarting and reinvigorating their respective franchises.
Begins wiped away the camp of Batman & Robin. But in my opinion, Superman Returns had the much harder road to go. Not only did it have to improve upon a less than stellar 4th installment like Begins did (being kind there). Not only did it have to overcome a development from hell and back. But it had to also overcome the ghost of Christopher Reeves. Though the 3rd and 4th Supes movies were seen as disappointments, Reeves was still lauded for his Clark/Supes character. And then you have his accident, in which he showed he WAS a "Superman", damn, that is just something almost impossible to compare to. You throw all that in there, that Superman Returns made 200 million should be seen as a major achievement, not a disappointment. Begins didn't have a 1/4 of the obsticles to overcome seeing the light of a theater.
Maybe it is that the fanfare for Begins was much lower, the character is not as beloved by a general mass, but still, both of these films performed virtually the same domestically and overseas at the box office but the spin put on them is different, very interesting. People have to erase the 150 million budget compared to the 270 million. Point being, two films from successful comic and movie franchises were seen by the same amount of people. How that means one is a success and the other isn't just doesn't make sense to me.
Personally, given the disappointment of their last installments and especially Superman Returns' development from hell, BOTH films did well in restarting and reinvigorating their respective franchises.
Begins wiped away the camp of Batman & Robin. But in my opinion, Superman Returns had the much harder road to go. Not only did it have to improve upon a less than stellar 4th installment like Begins did (being kind there). Not only did it have to overcome a development from hell and back. But it had to also overcome the ghost of Christopher Reeves. Though the 3rd and 4th Supes movies were seen as disappointments, Reeves was still lauded for his Clark/Supes character. And then you have his accident, in which he showed he WAS a "Superman", damn, that is just something almost impossible to compare to. You throw all that in there, that Superman Returns made 200 million should be seen as a major achievement, not a disappointment. Begins didn't have a 1/4 of the obsticles to overcome seeing the light of a theater.
I disagree. After the "Batman & Robin" circus, it was pretty much steep uphill from there. As far as grosses go, the expectations from "Superman Returns" were much higher than "Batman Begins." I suspect WB didn't believe that BB would reach $200M, which it did. Also, I'm one of those who think the Batman character is more fascinating because he's more down to earth (pun intended...), relatively speaking, of course. And it didn't hurt that it had a solid storyline, terrific actors (Qui-Gon-Jinn)and a good director. As far as Superman is concerned, I don't think, for one, that "overcoming the ghost of Chrisopher Reeve" was a factor. In my opinion it was too long, not creative enough storywise...couldn't they come up with something better than a Real estate scam? I think Routh was a good choice but Kate Bosworth as Lois Lane? come on! but in the end, I think the character of Superman has a far less "wow" factor. Now if Singer would bring Keyzer Soze for the sequel...now THAT'S a wow factor
I don't really understand this obsession with budgets that people seem to have. They have nothing to do with the artistic merit of a film, which is surely the overriding concern?
Chris Gould wrote: I don't really understand this obsession with budgets that people seem to have. They have nothing to do with the artistic merit of a film, which is surely the overriding concern?
Agreed. Everyone I know rents the "blockbusters"... Just because it was a blockbuster doesn't make it better or worse...
And at this point in time, when EVERY movie is labeled a disappointment only emphasizes the invalidity of earnings and etc. Spider-Man 3, will it make money? Hell yes. Will it be considered a success? Only time will tell but I'm sure many will call it a failure (financially).
Agreed. Everyone I know rents the "blockbusters"... Just because it was a blockbuster doesn't make it better or worse...
And at this point in time, when EVERY movie is labeled a disappointment only emphasizes the invalidity of earnings and etc. Spider-Man 3, will it make money? Hell yes. Will it be considered a success? Only time will tell but I'm sure many will call it a failure (financially).
RalphFiennes wrote: Is it not a contradiction to praise Parker Posey's "hilarious" performance and Kevin Spacey's "balance between funny and frightening and then refer to the film post-airplane-scene as humourless?
After the airplane rescue, the humour is sucked out of both of those characters, relatively, and we aren't given another pure comedy scene until the end, a scene I didn't find very funny.
This doesn't matter though, because my statement was referring to the entire film, of which there were nearly 2 more hours of. Besides, if you're going to nitpick me, at least quote me accurately. I said "humour is lacking", which implies humor is still present.
And as far as the budget goes, Chris, I find this one nessisary to the film review simply because it was so absurdly high, soo high that even pocketing 200 mil + at the box office wasn't enough to see a return. It's bizarre, and I don't think the budget really shows on screen. I've seen Peter Jackson make 3 films that looked even better and even more expensive for almost the same price as Superman Returns, and I think this misuse of cash says something about the creative minds behind the film.
After the airplane rescue, the humour is sucked out of both of those characters, relatively, and we aren't given another pure comedy scene until the end, a scene I didn't find very funny.
This doesn't matter though, because my statement was referring to the entire film, of which there were nearly 2 more hours of. Besides, if you're going to nitpick me, at least quote me accurately. I said "humour is lacking", which implies humor is still present.
And as far as the budget goes, Chris, I find this one nessisary to the film review simply because it was so absurdly high, soo high that even pocketing 200 mil + at the box office wasn't enough to see a return. It's bizarre, and I don't think the budget really shows on screen. I've seen Peter Jackson make 3 films that looked even better and even more expensive for almost the same price as Superman Returns, and I think this misuse of cash says something about the creative minds behind the film.


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Disc Details
Release Date:
28th November 2006
Discs:
2
Disc Type:
Single side, dual layer
RCE:
No
Video:
NTSC
Aspect:
2.40:1
Anamorphic:
Yes
Colour:
Yes
Audio:
Dolby Digital 5.1 English, Dolby Digital 5.1 Spanish
Subtitles:
English, Spanish, French
Extras:
"Requiem for Krypton: Making Superman Returns", Resurrecting Jor-El, Deleted Scenes, Trailers
Easter Egg:
No
Feature Details
Director:
Bryan Singer
Cast:
Brandon Routh, Kate Bosworth, Kevin Spacey, James Marsden, Parker Posey
Genre:
Action and Drama
Length:
154 minutes
Ratings
Awards






As for Warners new Two-Disc Special Edition DVD, the bonus material are good but I really wish Warner would put commentaries on their films. I would have loved to hear what Singer and his crew had to say. But you do get some of that on the doc so its alright.
If your a fan, pick it up. But I agree with Gabe, the film is depressing and that might turn some off, sadly.