Superman Returns: Special Edition (US - DVD R1)
Gabe thinks the Man of Steel got a bum wrap on his flawed return to film...
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After 5 years away from Earth, searching the exploded remains of his home planet Krypton, Superman has returned. The only problem is that in his absence, the world has moved on. Lois Lane is engaged with a son, and has won a Pulitzer Prize for an editorial entitled "Why the World Doesn't Need Superman". But the depressed Kryptonian isn't the only man back in the limelight, Lex Luthor has rebuilt his empire, and thanks to the fact that Superman wasn't around to testify at his hearing, is free from prison.

Superman Returns, in this humble man's opinion, should've been garbage. First of all, we live in a time where the character has become painfully quaint. A world where even Tim Burton's representation of Batman seems too childish. When it was released less than 20 years ago, audiences were shocked by its PG-13 nature. Batman can be coloured much darker than Burton represented him, but Superman? Superman's a boy scout, a relic, and boy scouts and relics belong in museums, not in modern cinemas.
I'll also mention the sad fact that I don't really like Richard Donner's original film, or films if you count the second movie, and I knew that director Bryan Singer wasn't planning on rebooting the series. Superman Returns is a semi-sequel to Superman II. Donner's films have aged poorly, and I honestly see them in the same campy light I see the old '60s Batman series. I appreciate their existence, and readily acknowledge that without the original film I wouldn't have Spiderman or Batman Begins, but I just don't like the film, and was not looking forward to a multi-million dollar direct follow-up, no matter who was behind the camera.
And who was behind the camera, but the man who ditched the X-Men franchise. X-Men 2 is most likely my favourite superhero film ever made, and it ended on one of the best cliff hangers a fan could possibly ask for, the reflection of the Dark Phoenix. I can't help but be "very disappointed" in Singer for his decision to leave the franchise in the hands of Brett Ratner and a series of Fox executives with only money on their minds. I blame Singer as much for the utter failure of X-Men 3 (which was released a little over a month before Superman Returns) as I do anyone else.
Watching the film in theaters this past summer, I was already expecting to be under whelmed and unimpressed, and shockingly enough I wasn't, not completely. The film opens with the same credit music and title graphics as the original. Everything's happy and silly, but as Bryan Singer's name faded, so did all those dated, warm-fuzzy feelings. Despite the production's assurances that Superman Returns would be a continuation of Donner's films, this is a much darker, and more modern film. It isn't dark in that bloodthirsty way most modern comic book films like Batman Begins or Blade tend to be, Superman Returns is a shockingly melancholy film. It's concerned with emotion and levity even more than spectacle or entertainment. It is this sad streak that was the film's ultimate downfall, but it's also the only thing that made the film at all memorable to me.

Warner Bros. shouldn't have been surprised by the fact that their $270 million investment didn't show a return based on the returns and public opinion of Universal's 2003 comic book release, Hulk. Hulk was an artistically and emotionally ambitious film released to an audience that wanted to see smashing. It's a flawed film, but one that I adore, and one that cannot be accused of being unoriginal. The overall idea of Superman Returns, a superhero film featuring an infinitely powerful character feeling sorry for himself and lost in the world, is very similar to that of Ang Lee's giant green box-office flop. If Hulk was a superhero movie by way of a Chinese opera, Superman Returns is a superhero movie by way of a trashy romance novel as written by someone like Arthur Miller. Kind of.
I had to ask myself what Singer saw in the character, other than a fetishistic love for the original film. What was it about this superhero that made him willing to leave a series he built from the ground up in the incapable hands of a bunch of Fox bean counters? Well, Singer makes very personal films. X-men 2 (in my opinion his best film), is a pretty obvious metaphor for feeling out of step with the rest of the world. Singer seems to have an abundance of angst and alienation, and Freud would tell you this was due to the fact that he was adopted and is gay. Who could possibly be more alienated than a homosexual in America but a mutant. And who could possibly be more alienated than a mutant but an alien. And, of course, who could be more alienated than an average alien on earth? Why, an alien that is the last remaining member of his entire species.
The adoption angle is key, as everyone knows (or at least everyone with a general knowledge of the character) that Superman himself was adopted. This is magnified by one of the film's most maligned plot points, one that I cannot go into without a bit of spoilage. Skip the rest of this paragraph if you haven't seen the film. I am speaking of the inclusion of Superman's son by Lois (which must be disturbing to Lois, as she had her mind erased at the end of Superman II, and must not remember ever having sexual intercourse with the Man of Steel), which at first seems like a cheap ploy for drama, but by the end of the film actually makes sense. As Superman stood over his sleeping child, willing to let his child be raised by mortals as he was, I finally got that the character was suppose to bring about an emotional circle for our hero. It does create a problem for the possible sequel though.

The majority of average people (i.e.: not critics) I've spoken to complained about the lack of action in the film. I have to agree. I really could've done with a fistfight between Superman and someone like Zod, or Braniac, but we only get a few scenes of the Man of Steel saving people from large-scale disasters. There is one ingenious sequence at about the 40-minute mark where Superman saves a falling jet full of reporters, and sets it down in a baseball field. The ingenious part comes in not with the actual action of saving the plane, which is nice, but in the fact that Superman makes his reappearance to the world in the most public way possible. It's funny, and humour is lacking in the rest of the film. The whole thing is rather down hill from this point.
But the problem isn't so much the lack of action, but the lack of normal superhero intrigue. Somehow, with more millions of dollars at their disposal than any film in history (allegedly), Singer and company forgot to write an interesting overall story. X-men seemed like an unfinished film due to Fox's budget and time restraints, but despite the brief run time Singer managed to introduce characters and conceive of a threat for them to quash. With Superman the writers had a chance to really open up the canvas with a pre-existing character that was already part of the public zeitgeist, and they have Lex Luthor concoct another real-estate scam? Don't get me wrong, it's a really great scam, but we've seen that already.
Luthor is still an intriguing character, thanks in no small part to Kevin Spacey who strikes a nice balance between funny and frightening. This isn't the harmlessly wicked Luthor of the Donner films, but a very angry Luthor bent on revenge. Well, revenge and a real estate scam. It's too bad the character is so neglected by the writing staff. I would've pushed the opposing nature of the hero and villain a little more.

With a runtime of two and a half hours, it's maddening that almost nothing really happens. The theme of alienation and solitude is a nice one, but when the film meanders like a Kabuki show on downers it's all a bit too much. By the time Luthor's plans finally come to fruition the 90% of the theatrical audience was checking their watches. A long movie isn't a problem so long as there's still a bunch of plot to plough through, but here it's indulgent. I understand that the importance of Lois and her fiancé’s relationship is important, but sticking by them during two elongated, Superman-less action scenes is unnecessary (not to mention a waste of a massive budget). I would've cut these scenes, which would be unfortunate because it would mean cutting James Marsden, a good actor, from another superhero movie (the guy was royally screwed on X-3).
Cinematically, this is a freaking gorgeous film, from cinematography to costume design (I like the new look, the old suit looked like a Halloween costume). I wish that Metropolis itself was more stylized, as only the Daily Planet set looks like anything special. I'd heard somewhere that Singer was looking to create an Art Deco look to the film to set it in the same sort of non-existent, style-bending timeline, like the Batman animated series, or Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow. I see a bit of this in the finished film, but not as much as I'd really like. Despite this, the look of the film is striking, just in a slightly less overtly stylized way, and I'm happy to say that it looks a Hell of a lot classier than the Donner films.
I can't wrap this rather lengthy little review up without mentioning Superman himself, Brandon Routh. Routh had some huge shoes to fill, as Christopher Reeves' rendition of the character is one of the most popular and enduring film characters of all time. Even I liked him in the role. Singer was smart to cast an unknown, and his choice paid off in spades. I can't imagine Nic Cage, or any of the other name actors once attached to role holding a candle to Routh, who embodies both the Man of Steel and his bumbling alter ego positively perfectly. He's a joy all around, and I hope he has a successful career in the future. He deserves it. Between Routh and Hugh Jackman, Singer is officially 2 for 2 in the field of casting unknowns as popular comic book characters. I'll also give some quick props to Parker Posey, who's adorable and hilarious in her supporting role. Another great choice.

Video
Big budget blockbusters are filmed in digital HD more frequently these days thanks to George Lucas (even if you hate the man's films, you have to acknowledge his contributions to modern film). Superman Returns is no exception. Unfortunately, the fact that I know it was meant for an HD presentation means I'm less willing to let video quality inadequacies slide.
Overall the image is very pretty, and so long as sequences are well lit they look great. Colours are bright, and edges are crisp and solid. Problems arise in darkness. Dark backgrounds are wrought with noise and blocking. Shadowed skin tones suffer from some cross-colouration, and even digital blocking in some of the more severe cases. I'm very curious about the Blu-ray and HD DVD releases. Did Warner Bros. put all there effort into the next gen formats and dump on those of us still unable, or unwilling to shell out the cash for a next gen player, or do all the transfers suffer from these problems? This is a top tier presentation on some levels, but it's nothing as stunning as other filmed in HD (not HD-DVD) releases like Revenge of the Sith, or even Wolf Creek.

Audio
DTS fans will be bummed by the lack of a DTS track, as the only track available is an old fashion 5.1 Dolby Digital one. Perhaps a DTS track could've been even more spectacular, but I find complaints very hard to come by here. This is an equally aggressive and subtle track that strikes an amazing balance at even high volume levels. The LFE track is almost too much at times, but it rarely overpowers the rest of the track. Dialogue is clear and centered, and discernable even during louder sequences. The immersing quality of the mix is best displayed during the sequences on New Krypton, where one can hear the sound of the ground creaking with growth and the sky rocked with thunder.
Extras
There is no doubt in my mind that there will be a double dip on this DVD. Every extra here points to more available, and the possibility of a sequel is looking more and more realistic. This 2-disc set isn't a complete disappointment, but is lacking nonetheless.
The first disc is completely barebones. The second disc starts with almost 3 hours of behind the scenes production diaries. It's very, very obvious that there was a lot more of this stuff, and the editing choices here seem random and curious. There is a whole bunch of good info, and viewers do get a first hand view of the filmmaking process, but there is something definitely lacking. The footage is best when it shows us a bit of Singer's dark side. According to several accounts from the set of X-Men 2 the director can be very hard to work with. Alan Cumming, Halle Barry, and other cast members have stated unspecific problems on several occasions since the film's release. Only notoriously nice Hugh Jackman has kept his mouth shut, though apparently his relationship with Singer was also rocky.

I'm also happy so much attention is paid to Spacey and Routh. Spacey seems to have become a bit of a diva over the years, but his stand-up comic roots make him ever entertaining to watch work. Routh appears to be the nicest guy in the world. He's always warm to the behind the scenes crew, almost painfully modest, and one can really see the reasoning behind Singer's selection. Surprisingly, Kate Bosworth, who played Lois Lane, is somewhat ignored in the footage. I'm curious about this, as I thought she was the one weak link in the cast. Perhaps there were some problems being saved for another DVD release.
The deleted scenes are incomplete and consist mostly of quiet moments on the Kent family farm. Singer has spoken publicly about a trashed scene of Kal-El visiting the remains of Krypton, and the production diaries feature another deleted scene between Superman and Daily Planet boss Mr. White. My guess is that there's at least another hour of deleted footage, which may explain the extraneous budget. The best of the included scenes is one where Clark realizes his mother is dating an old family friend. He deals with the revelation in a surprisingly selfish fashion, adding to his selfless final act arch.
The features are finished off with a brief featurette about the compositing process made on old footage of Marlon Brando. The fact that this is the closest we get to an in depth look at the digital effects of the film (there's some footage of the mo-cap process on the production diaries) is another clue pointing to a deluxe release in our future. There's also a small collection of trailers for Superman Returns and various video games featuring the character.

Overall
A flawed film, no doubt, Superman Returns is better on a second viewing. It's melancholy nature may turn off most viewers, but those willing to take such a sad journey are lucky enough to enjoy some top notch performances and a striking visual look. It isn't quite the overwhelming romantic tear-jerking Singer wanted it to be, but it also doesn't deserve the mediocre fate it seems to have inherited. The DVD has a flawed video transfer, but a great audio presentation, and some decent special features. I've no doubt that a double dip is in our future, but I think at least a rental is in order. Super-fans really should give it a second chance.
Review by Gabriel Powers
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Comment wasn't really aimed at you Gabe, more the fanboys who use box office returns to claim superiority of one film over another (X3 vs SR etc).
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That's a funny review. I enjoyed Superman Returns as a re-establishing of Superman as an interesting character in his interaction with other people. Action scenes were flawless and Spacey made a cracking baddie too.
I'll pick this up in the Ultimate Collection at Christmas. I certainly look forward to the sequel.
I'll pick this up in the Ultimate Collection at Christmas. I certainly look forward to the sequel.
Ahhh. I see. Yes, I hate claims that the more money a film makes, the better it must be. If that was so, Pirates of the Carrabean 2 would be one of the best movies ever made, and it aint.
Here's the thing about no DTS........
Warner is notorious for not including DTS in virtually EVERY SINGLE DVD AND BLU-RAY DISC they ever released. I also believe that Warner is anti-DTS by their very nature. Warner could charge a few extra bucks to add the premium that DTS commands on it's DVDs/HD-DVDs/Blu-Ray discs, and I would be fine with that. More sadly, Warner could be making a hell of a lot more bucks by adding DTS to their discs. WB, go figure!
Warner is notorious for not including DTS in virtually EVERY SINGLE DVD AND BLU-RAY DISC they ever released. I also believe that Warner is anti-DTS by their very nature. Warner could charge a few extra bucks to add the premium that DTS commands on it's DVDs/HD-DVDs/Blu-Ray discs, and I would be fine with that. More sadly, Warner could be making a hell of a lot more bucks by adding DTS to their discs. WB, go figure!
While I agree total box office is not an indicator of "quality", it is an indicator of enjoyment/entertainment. As noted, Dead Man's Chest, not matter how much I enjoyed it, I know it wasn't the best film of 2006.
Which is why I find it interesting that Superman Returns is seen as a failure at 200 million and Batman Begins is a triumph at 205 million.
And I have to totally disagree that Returns did not have any hill to climb in regard to the memory of Christopher Reeves. The film, and more specifically Routh, were pre-judged based on emotional feelings toward Reeves. I can't tell you how many people I personally know who stayed away from the film soley on the basis that Reeves was and is "the" Superman in their minds.
Which is why I find it interesting that Superman Returns is seen as a failure at 200 million and Batman Begins is a triumph at 205 million.
And I have to totally disagree that Returns did not have any hill to climb in regard to the memory of Christopher Reeves. The film, and more specifically Routh, were pre-judged based on emotional feelings toward Reeves. I can't tell you how many people I personally know who stayed away from the film soley on the basis that Reeves was and is "the" Superman in their minds.
I want to know why lesser quality films from Warner Bros. like Poseidon look better on DVD than Superman Returns does. Yes Superman Returns is not the most perfect film, and not what a lot of people hoped it to be, but it is still an above average film and not mediocre like some people think. I was so excited when this movie came out to DVD, and I'm such a huge fan of the Superman character as it is that I went out and bought the Superman Ultimate Collector's Edition. Superman: The Movie (1978) looks better on DVD than Superman Returns does! I don't understand why this movie got such a c**ppy deal. Before the movie even came out in theaters I was reading a lot of posts that were hating on the movie, saying that they hope the movie fails because it will come in direct competition with Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest. Since when does one movie garner such a fan base that the fans want every other movie to fail except the one they like? To me, Pirates of the Caribbean was one of the biggest letdowns this summer, it was nowhere near the quality of the first film, and people are on the internet praising it saying it is the new "Empire Strikes Back." Are these people on crack? I'm not saying it's a bad film, I still enjoyed it, but nowhere near as much as I did The Curse of the Black Pearl. Anyway, off the subject. I agree with Gabe that on the DVD the biggest problems occur in darkness or in shadow. It is as if during the transfer to DVD, the crew got halfway finished and said "the hell with it." I believe the movie deserves a better reputation, and MOST DEFINITELY a better DVD.
Gabe Powers wrote: I'm guessing you saw the IMAX version at the zoo then, JackJack?
Hey Gage, I should have been more specific, we now have this theater, just outside Minneapolis in Monticello, MN:
The MULLER MONSTER SCREEN which is 80 feet wide and 35 feet tall, is the largest theatre screen in Minnesota. The auditorium seats nearly 600 people in high back rocker chair seats making it the best place to see the big releases.
This is the largest NON - IMAX screen in MN, it is TRUELY amazing thing to see a movie on. You can fit half a mega plex in this one theater.
Hey Gage, I should have been more specific, we now have this theater, just outside Minneapolis in Monticello, MN:
The MULLER MONSTER SCREEN which is 80 feet wide and 35 feet tall, is the largest theatre screen in Minnesota. The auditorium seats nearly 600 people in high back rocker chair seats making it the best place to see the big releases.
This is the largest NON - IMAX screen in MN, it is TRUELY amazing thing to see a movie on. You can fit half a mega plex in this one theater.
This is addressed to Gabe and a few others on the board:
Why is a special edition incomplete without an effects featurette? One of the things I like about the Returns doc is the emphasis on design and production as opposed to post. The last post doc that wowed me was the Two Towers' feature about Gollum as it showed not just how they did it, but the thought process involved in deciding on those techniques. Most other similar featurettes or segments are very dry affairs. There's very little I see in the effects in SR that requires coverage. It's all off the shelf techniques they either did big or finessed slightly. And other than the minutae of how big the gimble was or how advanced the computers are, I doubt they did anything that hasn't been covered in other DVDs from the Matrix to Alone in the Dark.
To me, this is an overall problem with DVD Special Editions. How they make a man fly/get cut in half/appear as two people in the same shot is not nearly as interesting as how people interacted on set. DVD special features, however, tend to be lopsided toward very safe, dry, how they did it type docs.
There's also a part of me that doesn't want to know how they did it. Access to the magicians' cupboard has made me quite jaded.
Why is a special edition incomplete without an effects featurette? One of the things I like about the Returns doc is the emphasis on design and production as opposed to post. The last post doc that wowed me was the Two Towers' feature about Gollum as it showed not just how they did it, but the thought process involved in deciding on those techniques. Most other similar featurettes or segments are very dry affairs. There's very little I see in the effects in SR that requires coverage. It's all off the shelf techniques they either did big or finessed slightly. And other than the minutae of how big the gimble was or how advanced the computers are, I doubt they did anything that hasn't been covered in other DVDs from the Matrix to Alone in the Dark.
To me, this is an overall problem with DVD Special Editions. How they make a man fly/get cut in half/appear as two people in the same shot is not nearly as interesting as how people interacted on set. DVD special features, however, tend to be lopsided toward very safe, dry, how they did it type docs.
There's also a part of me that doesn't want to know how they did it. Access to the magicians' cupboard has made me quite jaded.
In referring to action sequences, is it just me or does anyone else think that the plane sequence in SR was rather lackluster. I mean, it could have been shot and edited to be much more exciting. It's ok, but when I watch it it's really just people being shoved back and forth with almost the same angle everytime. Also, when Superman is flying the camera just sits there for most of the time while he zooms in and out of frame instead of getting into the thick of things. It's just that everyone raves about it but I wasn't that impressed, does anyone else notice this, or is it just my personal view?
Jack, I've never been willing to drive that far for a movie. I live close enough to Eagan and Inver Groves that I usually go to one of those two. Though often there are bratty teenagers at Inver Grove.
Erik, I actually agree that quite often special effects featurettes are dull, I only mention the lack of one here to back up my assumption that there will be a better edition in the near future. I'm positive they filmed something. I graded the features a 7/10 because the extras felt unfinished all around. I don't actually care that much, personally, about digital effects, but I would like to have seen ALL the deleted scenes, some more about post production, and a director commentary. All these would've probably made the final score closer to a 9/10.
Erik, I actually agree that quite often special effects featurettes are dull, I only mention the lack of one here to back up my assumption that there will be a better edition in the near future. I'm positive they filmed something. I graded the features a 7/10 because the extras felt unfinished all around. I don't actually care that much, personally, about digital effects, but I would like to have seen ALL the deleted scenes, some more about post production, and a director commentary. All these would've probably made the final score closer to a 9/10.
As for the box office argument regarding Batman Begins vs. Superman Returns: yes, they both did make roughly 200m domestic, but you have to look at the expectation surrounding the two. Batman Begins was the FIFTH Batman movie in 15 years and was coming off what is considered one of the worst movies ever made (Batman and Robin, which grossed a mere 107m domestic). So when 'Begins' came out, the general consensus was that it would gross between 140-170m domestic...so the 200m was really an acheivement. As for Superman Returns, it was the first Superman movie in almost twenty years and had the biggest hype around of any movie outside of Star Wars (as well as name recognition). If you went to any box office site you'd see the predictions of its domestic gross in the 300m range, some in the high 300's...couple that with the budget, and the fact that it grossed 200m domestic is a disappointment (not a FLOP, mind you, but a disappointment). So that's really the difference.
As far as "box office gross not reflecting quality," that argument is so tired and has been debunked on many a box office site as well as movie site. Yes, a movie of poor quality can make a ton of money if it has enough hype (see - Phantom Menace), but anyone who follows box office realizes that a big part of a movie's b.o. take is dependent on word-of-mouth...the movies that are generally regarded as being bad usually drop 60-70% in its second weekend, whereas movies that are considered good have a smaller decline and goes on to make a pretty good take. Yes, there are exceptions, but they are not the rule...so please stop with the "box office does not equal quality" argument because it is a very banal and not well thought out one...
As far as "box office gross not reflecting quality," that argument is so tired and has been debunked on many a box office site as well as movie site. Yes, a movie of poor quality can make a ton of money if it has enough hype (see - Phantom Menace), but anyone who follows box office realizes that a big part of a movie's b.o. take is dependent on word-of-mouth...the movies that are generally regarded as being bad usually drop 60-70% in its second weekend, whereas movies that are considered good have a smaller decline and goes on to make a pretty good take. Yes, there are exceptions, but they are not the rule...so please stop with the "box office does not equal quality" argument because it is a very banal and not well thought out one...
There are many great movies that performed 'poorly' at the box office. Films like Oldboy and Lady Vengeance are artistically superior to s**te like Jackass 2 and Little Man, but they didn't perform exceptionally well at the UK/US box office because they are subtitled. How well did Donnie Darko do on its initial release? What about Fight Club? The Shawshank Redemption? They all have strong word-of-mouth followings now, but they didn't exactly set the box office alight.
Week after week, mind-numbing, middle-of-the-road c**p makes its way to the top of the box office by 'word of mouth'. Presumably from the mouths of people without taste.
Week after week, mind-numbing, middle-of-the-road c**p makes its way to the top of the box office by 'word of mouth'. Presumably from the mouths of people without taste.
Amen brother Chris! LOL. My mom is convinced general movie audiences (specifically American) are a bunch of idiots! Though I don't share the same fondness of say Old Boy that you do, I never even heard of the film until the video/DVD release.
Now, being one of those aforementioned Americans, I tend to defend my countrymen (and women). But I can not argue the fact such fare as Jackass 2 takes up multiple screens in our local theaters and makes close to 100 million bucks. Yet films such as you mentioned Chris and many more English speaking films are relegated to one screen at the only art house theater within a 100 square mile radius, if we are lucky. Most times the films never even see the light of day in my area, or they get a one weekend engagement.
The reason being, hype still sells films. If you can't hype it, no one is going to see it and you can't give it away to local multiplexes because they only want to put on movies that are going to fill the 20 or more theaters they have.
This is why DVD is becoming such a formidable format, which is leading to the ultimate way we will get movies in the future, via download. DVD allows for a film such as Old Boy, Office Space, Austin Powers, etc, to build a fan base via the old fashioned word of mouth. Star Wars in 77 and Halloween in 78 are two examples where word of mouth, not hype, brought people into the theaters. Gone is the day of slowly and consistently building your box office returns. Today, if you don't make a massive amount opening weekend, your film is thrown to the very back theater with 2 rows of seats and one speaker (if it gets to remain in the multiplex at all).
I think in the end, the entertainment value, not the "quality" is what helps a film make loads of money. Sure the latest Pirates movie was destined to make a huge number on the first weekend, but it made its money past the 200 million mark from flat out being entertaining on some level to a large amount of folks. Same with a film like Jackass 2. I refuse to pay money at the local theater for tripe like that, but it entertains a group of folks on some level that it can make loads of money. So guess what? We will get Jackass 3 and again, I will ignore it yet its core audience will make all of its creators rich people just because they act like asses and film it. This, while someone making a small film who has actually gone to school to make films will struggle to get their film seen and will probably struggle to pay their rent. This, while Knoxville, Bam, Wee Man, Steve-O and company make loads. It just doesn't seem very fair, but hey, such is life.
But alas, I digress
It is curious that the transfer of Returns is not that great. I wonder if that was a conscious "art" decision made by Singer? I saw the movie in an HD theater and it looked great. So I am rather surprised the DVD is not as sharp. I do know that during specific scenes, such as the ice berg, even in the HD theater it had a haze to it that I took as being purposeful effect.
Now, being one of those aforementioned Americans, I tend to defend my countrymen (and women). But I can not argue the fact such fare as Jackass 2 takes up multiple screens in our local theaters and makes close to 100 million bucks. Yet films such as you mentioned Chris and many more English speaking films are relegated to one screen at the only art house theater within a 100 square mile radius, if we are lucky. Most times the films never even see the light of day in my area, or they get a one weekend engagement.
The reason being, hype still sells films. If you can't hype it, no one is going to see it and you can't give it away to local multiplexes because they only want to put on movies that are going to fill the 20 or more theaters they have.
This is why DVD is becoming such a formidable format, which is leading to the ultimate way we will get movies in the future, via download. DVD allows for a film such as Old Boy, Office Space, Austin Powers, etc, to build a fan base via the old fashioned word of mouth. Star Wars in 77 and Halloween in 78 are two examples where word of mouth, not hype, brought people into the theaters. Gone is the day of slowly and consistently building your box office returns. Today, if you don't make a massive amount opening weekend, your film is thrown to the very back theater with 2 rows of seats and one speaker (if it gets to remain in the multiplex at all).
I think in the end, the entertainment value, not the "quality" is what helps a film make loads of money. Sure the latest Pirates movie was destined to make a huge number on the first weekend, but it made its money past the 200 million mark from flat out being entertaining on some level to a large amount of folks. Same with a film like Jackass 2. I refuse to pay money at the local theater for tripe like that, but it entertains a group of folks on some level that it can make loads of money. So guess what? We will get Jackass 3 and again, I will ignore it yet its core audience will make all of its creators rich people just because they act like asses and film it. This, while someone making a small film who has actually gone to school to make films will struggle to get their film seen and will probably struggle to pay their rent. This, while Knoxville, Bam, Wee Man, Steve-O and company make loads. It just doesn't seem very fair, but hey, such is life.
But alas, I digress
It is curious that the transfer of Returns is not that great. I wonder if that was a conscious "art" decision made by Singer? I saw the movie in an HD theater and it looked great. So I am rather surprised the DVD is not as sharp. I do know that during specific scenes, such as the ice berg, even in the HD theater it had a haze to it that I took as being purposeful effect.
LLcruize wrote: It is curious that the transfer of Returns is not that great. I wonder if that was a conscious "art" decision made by Singer? I saw the movie in an HD theater and it looked great. So I am rather surprised the DVD is not as sharp. I do know that during specific scenes, such as the ice berg, even in the HD theater it had a haze to it that I took as being purposeful effect.
The HD DVD version is the same way. For intance, I especially noticed a lot of noise during the shuttle sequence and with interior shots of the jet and its passengers in particular. Conscience effort or not, I would have preferred it not to be the way it looks.
The HD DVD version is the same way. For intance, I especially noticed a lot of noise during the shuttle sequence and with interior shots of the jet and its passengers in particular. Conscience effort or not, I would have preferred it not to be the way it looks.
Tricky Dicky wrote: I am no Xmen expert by any stretch of the imagination, but as a viewer of all 3 films I preferred the Last Stand to the first 2 by miles. I thought it was much better than the first 2 though the dialogue at times was a bit juvanile, they had far more action which is want I want from films of this kind. Even tho I know the comic fans want character development more.
Was disappointed in SR but I do love the first. Too much love story BS. I mean they are comic books who gives a s**t about love, bring on the action!
You don't know what you're talking about. Super Hero Comics/Shows/Movies are just as much about the emotions of the characters as they are about the action. X3 for example, is an abomination that seems to enjoy taking a huge dump all over some of the most brilliantly written charaters in comics history. Superman Returns however, gets really into the character, so effectivly that I think it's even better than Batman Begins, which lacks emotion at certain points.
Was disappointed in SR but I do love the first. Too much love story BS. I mean they are comic books who gives a s**t about love, bring on the action!
You don't know what you're talking about. Super Hero Comics/Shows/Movies are just as much about the emotions of the characters as they are about the action. X3 for example, is an abomination that seems to enjoy taking a huge dump all over some of the most brilliantly written charaters in comics history. Superman Returns however, gets really into the character, so effectivly that I think it's even better than Batman Begins, which lacks emotion at certain points.
Hopefully, we'll have an extended director's cut edition with the Krypton deleted scene and some more in a couple of months, I'll check on the UBS for the other Singer journals...I have to kinda agree on the fact that STM and SII look outdated, first since there are no pcs on the Daily Planet, and also the way the sets look, they are outdated (even the way the heat vision appears), but both STM and SII are great movies that made superhero history, and not until now that I saw the Donner cut of SII, I realize how close it is to Spiderman 2 (I filmed I enjoyed a lot) in the way the character has his inner feelings challenged...and about the alienation thing, I can connect to Superman in that I'm an immigrant who was supposed to follow a path, and be submissive, well, I guess not!
Chris Gould wrote: There are many great movies that performed 'poorly' at the box office. Films like Oldboy and Lady Vengeance are artistically superior to s**te like Jackass 2 and Little Man, but they didn't perform exceptionally well at the UK/US box office because they are subtitled.
No, they didn't perform well at the box office because they were only released on 28 and 13 screens, respectively; Little Man opened on 2,500+ screens and Jackass over 3,000...it's absurd to compare the two. Actually "Lady Vengeance" and "Oldboy" had greater per-theater attendance averages at their peak than either "Little Man" or "Jackass".
Chris Gould wrote:
How well did Donnie Darko do on its initial release? What about Fight Club? The Shawshank Redemption? They all have strong word-of-mouth followings now, but they didn't exactly set the box office alight.
Again, "Donnie Darko" was released on just a few more screens than "Oldboy" or "Lady Vengeance"...comparing a movie's box office gross that is released in fewer than 100 theaters to a movie that is released in over 3,000 is asinine. "Fight Club" and "Shawshank Redemption" are widely reknowned as being mishandled by studio marketing, thus they didn't really gain a cult until video...but if you look at their week-to-week drop offs you'll see that they were quite small. There are two components to a movie's box office success: the opening and word-of-mouth. You can have a monster opening weekend but if you get poor word-of-mouth you're going to see 70% falloffs, whereas you're a good movie (say, for example, "Casino Royale"
you're going to see smaller drop-offs that can offset a mediocre opening. It is widely acknowledged that the studio is responsible for a movie's opening weekend success and the movie's quality results in the rest of its take; in the case of "Fight Club" and "Shawshank Redemption," they started off opening on such a low number that even small week-to-week dropoffs don't make much of a dent, and that's really not completely to blame on the studios - those are hard movies to market to broad audiences. I remember 'Shawshank's' ads made it out to be a prison drama and "Fight Club" came off as some Jean Claude Van Damme-like arena fighting competition.
Chris Gould wrote:
Week after week, mind-numbing, middle-of-the-road c**p makes its way to the top of the box office by 'word of mouth'. Presumably from the mouths of people without taste.
Well taste is really subjective; who's to say that your taste is more valid than anyone else's? Some people actually go to the movies to be entertained by mindless drivvel because they see enough seriousness in their regular lives...is there anything wrong with that? I mean, movies are escapism, right? So why is my taste in question if I'd rather kill two hours watching "Jackass" than two hours mulling over something like "Syriana"? Not to say that I fall into that category, but many do.
But back to the box office argument: if you look at the top ten all-time in domestic grosses and then go to IMDB to look at the user ratings and RottenTomatoes to look at the critical reviews, you'll notice that virtually every one of them were praised by both segments (except, of course, the infallible PHANTOM MENACE). You can't get into the upper eschelon of box office success WITHOUT strong word-of-mouth.
...and since when did REVENGE OF THE SITH get an HD-DVD release? The review said it has one...
No, they didn't perform well at the box office because they were only released on 28 and 13 screens, respectively; Little Man opened on 2,500+ screens and Jackass over 3,000...it's absurd to compare the two. Actually "Lady Vengeance" and "Oldboy" had greater per-theater attendance averages at their peak than either "Little Man" or "Jackass".
Chris Gould wrote:
How well did Donnie Darko do on its initial release? What about Fight Club? The Shawshank Redemption? They all have strong word-of-mouth followings now, but they didn't exactly set the box office alight.
Again, "Donnie Darko" was released on just a few more screens than "Oldboy" or "Lady Vengeance"...comparing a movie's box office gross that is released in fewer than 100 theaters to a movie that is released in over 3,000 is asinine. "Fight Club" and "Shawshank Redemption" are widely reknowned as being mishandled by studio marketing, thus they didn't really gain a cult until video...but if you look at their week-to-week drop offs you'll see that they were quite small. There are two components to a movie's box office success: the opening and word-of-mouth. You can have a monster opening weekend but if you get poor word-of-mouth you're going to see 70% falloffs, whereas you're a good movie (say, for example, "Casino Royale"
Chris Gould wrote:
Week after week, mind-numbing, middle-of-the-road c**p makes its way to the top of the box office by 'word of mouth'. Presumably from the mouths of people without taste.
Well taste is really subjective; who's to say that your taste is more valid than anyone else's? Some people actually go to the movies to be entertained by mindless drivvel because they see enough seriousness in their regular lives...is there anything wrong with that? I mean, movies are escapism, right? So why is my taste in question if I'd rather kill two hours watching "Jackass" than two hours mulling over something like "Syriana"? Not to say that I fall into that category, but many do.
But back to the box office argument: if you look at the top ten all-time in domestic grosses and then go to IMDB to look at the user ratings and RottenTomatoes to look at the critical reviews, you'll notice that virtually every one of them were praised by both segments (except, of course, the infallible PHANTOM MENACE). You can't get into the upper eschelon of box office success WITHOUT strong word-of-mouth.
...and since when did REVENGE OF THE SITH get an HD-DVD release? The review said it has one...
I did? No I didn't? Where did I say that? I meant that they were filmmed in HD (though now I know Clerks II actually wasn't). I think I'll clear that up right now actually.
I gave Superman Returns two chances in theaters (regular and IMAX) and sadly I was disappointed both times. This wants to be a great film...but it just isn't. There's something in there that just doesn't work for me and I understand why Singer placed it, but it just doesn't work.
Superman Returns is just a fan film with a Hollywood budget.
Superman Returns is just a fan film with a Hollywood budget.
Well ticktock you certainly know you box office stuff, I'll give you that, and I think you hit the nail right on the head when you said it's all subjective.
I don't really follow box office grosses that closely, so I can’t comment on the validity of anything you said. I’m not even trying to dispute it. I simply object to the way in which a film’s budget and/or the money it makes are used to somehow legitimise it in the face of ‘competition’ from another movie (a la X3 and Superman Returns). People seem to be obsessed with the monetary side of things, rather than looking at things from an artistic standpoint.
I gave the above as examples of a few films that didn't - for whatever reason - make a lot of money. As you said yourself, some of that was to do with them opening on a limited number of screens, or being marketed poorly (in the case of Fight Club I couldn’t agree more). But surely this goes some way towards validating my claim that box office success isn’t indicative of quality?
If a studio throws a ton of money into marketing a film, and it opens on a larger number of screens, it’s pretty much guaranteed to make a lot more money than a low-key film that opens on a limited number of screens. You said as much yourself. The opinion held by certain people is that this makes them ‘better’ films than the ones that make less money. It is this that I do not agree with.
If you take a look at that all-time ‘domestic’ box office chart and then compare it with the all-time top 250 movies you find that only one of those films is in the top ten of both. If box office earnings really are a key indicator of quality, I would expect to see more of an overlap.
Of course I guess you can argue that the top 250 is only representative of those people who visit IMDb and vote, and that is probably a very narrow cross-section of the public. As I said before, you hit the nail on the head with the ‘subjective’ comment. My entire argument (for want of a better word) is subjective, based on my own preference for films that both entertain and challenge me. That’s not to say that I don’t enjoy mindless blockbusters from time to time, but I don’t hold Terminator 3 in the same regard as The Godfather.
I don't really follow box office grosses that closely, so I can’t comment on the validity of anything you said. I’m not even trying to dispute it. I simply object to the way in which a film’s budget and/or the money it makes are used to somehow legitimise it in the face of ‘competition’ from another movie (a la X3 and Superman Returns). People seem to be obsessed with the monetary side of things, rather than looking at things from an artistic standpoint.
I gave the above as examples of a few films that didn't - for whatever reason - make a lot of money. As you said yourself, some of that was to do with them opening on a limited number of screens, or being marketed poorly (in the case of Fight Club I couldn’t agree more). But surely this goes some way towards validating my claim that box office success isn’t indicative of quality?
If a studio throws a ton of money into marketing a film, and it opens on a larger number of screens, it’s pretty much guaranteed to make a lot more money than a low-key film that opens on a limited number of screens. You said as much yourself. The opinion held by certain people is that this makes them ‘better’ films than the ones that make less money. It is this that I do not agree with.
If you take a look at that all-time ‘domestic’ box office chart and then compare it with the all-time top 250 movies you find that only one of those films is in the top ten of both. If box office earnings really are a key indicator of quality, I would expect to see more of an overlap.
Of course I guess you can argue that the top 250 is only representative of those people who visit IMDb and vote, and that is probably a very narrow cross-section of the public. As I said before, you hit the nail on the head with the ‘subjective’ comment. My entire argument (for want of a better word) is subjective, based on my own preference for films that both entertain and challenge me. That’s not to say that I don’t enjoy mindless blockbusters from time to time, but I don’t hold Terminator 3 in the same regard as The Godfather.
You're right. Terminator 3 is so much better, how can you compare the two?
Dunno if you're joking or not Gabe, but Superman Returns was alot better than Terminator 3.
I'm joking, I'm joking. Though I did actually enjoy Terminator 3. I bought it used on DVD for $2.50.
I have mixed emotions about this film.
To me X-Men 2 is the best Comic book movie of all time followed by the Original Superman, with Batman begins getting a solid nod aswell..
I am a huge fan of Singer and really wanted him to Finish the X-men run...however I did want them to do Superman right so having him at the helm was great.... I think he did a good job witht he script he was givin/chose. but I can't help and think X-3 would have been AMAZING under Singer.
I hope he makes 2 more movies for the Superman series and maybe even try his hand at Batman...
To me X-Men 2 is the best Comic book movie of all time followed by the Original Superman, with Batman begins getting a solid nod aswell..
I am a huge fan of Singer and really wanted him to Finish the X-men run...however I did want them to do Superman right so having him at the helm was great.... I think he did a good job witht he script he was givin/chose. but I can't help and think X-3 would have been AMAZING under Singer.
I hope he makes 2 more movies for the Superman series and maybe even try his hand at Batman...
"...and I think this misuse of cash says something about the creative minds behind the film..." this can be said about too many films. As far as PIRATES 2 is concerned, one of the main reasons it blew "Superman Returns" out of the water was it had a main character audiences loved and wanted to see again. To put it simply, more people were interested in seeing Jack Sparrow again than Superman. It also helped that it was a pretty entertaining movie (as long as you can hold up your bladder for 2.5 hours...).
Pirates 2 is also a family movie, so it has a much wider appeal than Superman Returns. People also went to see it based on their experiences with first film (that also happened with Matrix Reloaded). I thought it was thoroughly bland though.
I thought it flat out sucked personally. Pirates that is. But like I said in the review here, I had no interest in the character of Superman either. I only bothered seeing the movie in theaters because of Singer.
The airplane sequence is the best part of this movie. That really captures what the Superman character is about. The plot was weak and having Lex Luthor with another land scam was not the way to go. This needed a big bang of a villian for Superman to go toe-to-toe with. See the Richard Donner cut of Superman II for a way to fight super villians.
Gabe, you've been saying the same thing I have for the past three years since the first Pirates came out. It amazes me people are going to rush out to get that filth tomorrow and totally pass up Miami Vice (which BTW, was a brilliant, underrated film.)
The saddest part for me was that I actually enoyed the first Pirates, at least a lot more than I thought I would. It looked like they had a good movie in there somewhere, but it was just a mess. The ending was, unfortunately, good enough to make me curious about the next installment. It was like they had a great beginning for the third movie, but needed to make a middle film to set it up.


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Disc Details
Release Date:
28th November 2006
Discs:
2
Disc Type:
Single side, dual layer
RCE:
No
Video:
NTSC
Aspect:
2.40:1
Anamorphic:
Yes
Colour:
Yes
Audio:
Dolby Digital 5.1 English, Dolby Digital 5.1 Spanish
Subtitles:
English, Spanish, French
Extras:
"Requiem for Krypton: Making Superman Returns", Resurrecting Jor-El, Deleted Scenes, Trailers
Easter Egg:
No
Feature Details
Director:
Bryan Singer
Cast:
Brandon Routh, Kate Bosworth, Kevin Spacey, James Marsden, Parker Posey
Genre:
Action and Drama
Length:
154 minutes
Ratings
Awards



