Terminator 2: Judgment Day Skynet Edition (UK - BD RB)
Our Marcus needs your clothes, boots and another edition of T2 on Blu-ray...
Feature
‘Three billion human lives ended on August 29th, 1997. The survivors of the nuclear fire called the war Judgment Day. They lived only to face a new nightmare: the war against the machines. The computer which controlled the machines, Skynet, sent two Terminators back through time. Their mission: to destroy the leader of the human resistance, John Connor, my son. The first Terminator was programmed to strike at me in the year 1984, before John was born. It failed. The second was set to strike at John himself when he was still a child. As before, the resistance was able to send a lone warrior, a protector for John. It was just a question of which one of them would reach him first.’ - Sarah Connor

Terminator 2 is a movie that’s so engrained in movie DNA that every time I see it, I’m transported back to the first time I saw it in the cinema back in 1991. From the Carolco logo, through the Sarah Connor voice over, the laser blasts of future war and right up to that spectacular fire filled theme and the T-800 coming through the flames. The opening still makes me as excited as I was when it first blew my brain out of the back of head in that darkened cinema seventeen years ago.
As the movie sails along with James Cameron’s mastery, pretty much every big moment remains as effective and amazing as it’s always been. The bike chase is still a sight to behold, the massive Cyberdyne shoot out is still the blueprint to the mayhem I try to recreate when mucking about with Grand Theft Auto and even though some of the CGI work is a little dated, everything the T-1000 does is still the ultimate nemesis for Arnie’s T-800 despite Terminator 3’s lesser TX attempt to outdo it.
The more I’ve watched T2 over the years, the more I respond to smaller and far more dramatic (than the genre dictates) moments. I adore how James Cameron plays on the audience's knowledge of the first movie, allowing the Terminators to simply do their jobs when locating their target and in pretty much the same way it played out in the original, rather than going with something new for the sake of it. The John Connor depiction of just being a kid is a bold move too. In fact the entire set up with Sarah in a psychiatric hospital and how John’s life is affected because of that is a far more rewarding experience than the mother and son moving from town to town preparing for the war which I probably expected at the time.

Sarah Connor’s journey up to the point where she almost becomes a Terminator herself has always been great, but on this viewing I really bought into that moment and the weight it carries for the larger story. The subtle approach to John’s ever evolving relationship with the Terminator is beautifully acknowledged in one of the many Sarah Connor voiceovers and Miles Bennet Dyson’s involvement in this story is always one that I’ve found incredibly well portrayed and really is an unsung element of what makes T2 as good as it is.
A large portion of the success of this movie is pinned on Schwarzenegger’s massive shoulders and rightly so. Movie icons don’t really get much bigger than Arnie in this Terminator performance, but T2 is still far, far more than just another Arnie action movie (even though, watching T2 as just that is still as effective). Terminator 2 is a genuine masterpiece, a modern day classic, the godfather of modern science fiction big budget event movies, the absolute blueprint of how to handle a sequel (even though I still don’t think it’s better than the original) but even with all that taken into account, it’s still more than that. Something about it just continues to resonate and despite its lacklustre sequels and modern sensibilities shying away from some of the grittier elements of what makes a good Terminator movie, T2 still shines like a beacon and easily terminates any pretenders to its throne.
Video
The best thing to say about this new Blu-ray release is that the image is far cleaner than it ever was on DVD and probably more than I expected. The worst thing to say it that it’s kind of un-extraordinary.

At first I was extremely happy with how everything looked. There is hardly any grain, even in the darker moments, colours are bold and bright (especially in Sarah’s dream/nightmare) and generally everything was a noticeable improvement over what I was used to. The lighting is represented better. The sun never felt so warm in T2 and the metallic blues of the night shots also have a nice glow to them as well. The desert scenes do the best job at showing off the transfer, with deep blue skies and the HD quality giving a nice depth to the image.
However, on closer inspection, this all feels like a bit of a ruse because despite the cleanness of the image, the detail levels are incredibly mediocre for an HD transfer. For starters skin textures are all but nonexistent, especially when compared to many modern movie releases and generally nothing really feels noticeably better on the detail front, whether it is locations, sets or props and the image can feel a little soft in places because of it.
Being thoroughly bathed in HD transfers at this point, I might be a little too picky or maybe T2 has always had a pretty great transfer anyway, so the chasm to this HD transfer wasn’t as vast as other titles or maybe I just wanted a little bit more from a movie that sits high on my all time favourite lists, either way, this is a good enough transfer to be considered an acceptable upgrade but I’m still left wanting (and expecting) more.
Audio
This is quite a dynamic and spacious 6.1 track which I had a few issues with. To start with the jump from clear, level dialogue to big loud booms and bangs in the action was sometimes too much of a leap. Jumping for the remote to adjust the volume and tone it back got to be a little annoying from time to time. Also despite many of the sound effects like chains clanging, beeps of computer keys or wind chimes popping up in speakers and sounding more realised that they ever had before, sometimes felt a little forced or unnecessary as a surround sound show off rather than a layered addition to the atmospherics. Also I concur with Chris’s comment in his review about the odd lip sync issue as well.

With those issues aside, this is actually quite an impressive track for the most part. Everything is clear and well placed. The score is spread through the speaker system nicely and without the track ever becoming exceptional, this does a great job and gets across all of the subtleties of Terminators 2’s mix.
Extras
After sitting through the slow, but not painfully slow, Skynet themed load up screens (that were cool on the first T2 DVD release, but are getting a little dull now), we are presented with a number of option on the top of the screen.
Working from left to right, we have our staple T2 selection of what version we want to watch. So take your pick from the Theatrical Release, the Special Edition and the usual hidden Extended Special Edition, which you’ll need to enter the secret code to access (see the Easter Eggs section of the site for more details).
'Browse Timeline' is your scene selection, and moving onto 'Sensory Control', you get your pick of audio, subtitles and commentaries. One of which is by James Cameron and William Wisher, which is the usual great Cameron commentary, and the second is the Production Commentary by multiple participants that has been on many of the previous DVD releases. Also in here is a D-Box motion code option for anyone with a vibrating chair, a THX optimizer and the T2 Thx Trailer (00:47 HD).
Moving onto 'Interactive Modes', this is broken down into the following;

'Visual Implants' (Special Edition Only): These are the picture-in-picture elements of the release which didn’t strike me as having anything new from the previous umpteen releases of T2, just presented in a new way.
'Trivia Data Overlay' (Special Edition Only): Gives you text commentary and trivia information while watching the film. Choosing this option will automatically activate the 'Production Data Overlay' and 'Linked Data Modules' options as well.
'Production Data Overlay' (Special Edition Only): Allows you to view specific shot methodologies during the film independently of the other features.
'Linked Data Modules' (Special Edition Only): This option branches out from the film at various intervals to show short behind the scenes sequences independently of the other features.
'Source Code' (Special Edition Only): Will display the original script in time with the film. This option automatically engages the 'Schematics' feature.

'Schematics' (Special Edition Only): Will allow you to view original storyboard sequences in time with the film independently of the other features.
'Query Mode' (Special Edition Only): This is a text-based quiz that runs along with the film and asks you to answer multiple choice questions about on-screen events. I got bored pretty quickly with this one.
'Processor Tests' (Special Edition Only): This mode allows you to play Terminator-themed minigames. These take the form of sliding puzzles, timed combinations and the like. Again, pretty boring.
I’ll say at this stage that I had a few glitches with the Interactive Modes. Beyond the fact you have to remember to change the selection to ‘activate’ for it to actually start up within the movie, I had a handful of times where the drop down menu selection didn’t disappear after I made a selection or the bars stayed on screen. I didn’t have to restart the disc or anything extreme like that and after a quick play it disappeared but still, it was a little glitchy from time to time.

Moving onto 'Ancillary Data', 'Visual Campaigns' (08:16 HD): This includes the teaser trailer, two theatrical trailers, a trailer for the Special Edition DVD release and the THX trailer, all presented in 1080p. I am still totally in love with the original teaser trailer, even if it still looks like an eighties music video.
'Terminated Data' (03:17 HD): These are just the two deleted scenes, which appear in the hidden extended edition of the film. The first, 'T-1000's Search', comes with optional commentary from James Cameron and Robert Patrick, while the second, 'Future Coda', includes commentary by Stan Winston, Linda Hamilton and James Cameron.
'Dyson Protocol List' (01:48 HD) is just the credits for the disc production team and Skynet access, or BD live is the final selection.
My feelings on all these features are lukewarm. The fact, I’ve seen, heard and enjoyed most of these many times before in one shape or form took any new enjoyment I may have got from this release away. Yes, it’s nice to have it all in one package, yes a newcomer to T2 on Blu-ray will probably take a lot away from it and it’s a little quicker and friendlier on Blu-ray, but at this stage I would much prefer one massively overlong, well produced documentary for the future releases of T2 (and there will be more) as opposed to the constant dropping in and out of the movie to watch/listen to interviews or whatever else.

Overall
T2 is a classic but somehow the excitement of getting yet another edition for my collection is a little lost on me this time out. It’s a good Blu-ray edition for anyone going in fresh and for anyone with no prior knowledge of the editions that came before but for me, I’m over the menu designs and the Skynet themes, I’ve seen these features too many times. On a side note, but still important, I pray for the day T2 gets a decent cover as opposed to what they’ve tried to pass off as box art on the last few versions in all regions.
As for the movie itself, there’s enough going on in the AV department for this to be a consideration. T2 has certainly never looked or sounded this good in previous editions, even if there's still room for improvement. So if it’s been a while since you've seen James Cameron’s masterpiece, you’re in for a treat. If like me, this is just another in a long line of T2 editions, this will merely add to your ever growing collection.
* Note: The above images are taken from the Blu-ray release and resized for the page.
Review by Marcus Doidge
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Worst picture, best extras
The Endo-skeleton packaging release that is exclusive to play.com is pretty good.
Not got round to watching the film yet.
Not got round to watching the film yet.
lee.lethal wrote: The Endo-skeleton packaging release that is exclusive to play.com is pretty good.
Not got round to watching the film yet.
Amazon has it, too.
Not got round to watching the film yet.
Amazon has it, too.
The problem with this release is that it means spending another £15-20 on a film that's been watched to death over the last 17 odd years. If I were to buy it tomorrow, I just know that I'll spin the disc to have a look at some random points for picture quality, look at how some of the features work as PiP material, and then stick it on the shelf shrugging, yep, that's T2.
There's no hook for me to watch it through again. If they'd redone some of the T1000 effects then I might give it a go. I'm not saying abandon the effects that contributed to 'making' T2 what it is, but it would be good to freshen them up with todays effects tools as a branched version because, as good as the T1000 looked back in '91, some of the shots draw attention to themselves now and look quite the product of their time. And no doubt Peter Kent is even more obvious now (in HD) doing the flood canal motorcycle drop than he was in standard def. That should be updated for HD as well.
I've gone slightly off topic haven't I?
There's no hook for me to watch it through again. If they'd redone some of the T1000 effects then I might give it a go. I'm not saying abandon the effects that contributed to 'making' T2 what it is, but it would be good to freshen them up with todays effects tools as a branched version because, as good as the T1000 looked back in '91, some of the shots draw attention to themselves now and look quite the product of their time. And no doubt Peter Kent is even more obvious now (in HD) doing the flood canal motorcycle drop than he was in standard def. That should be updated for HD as well.
I've gone slightly off topic haven't I?
dvd mike wrote: Worst picture, best extras
The number of people saying this is alarming. It's not really any worse than any of the other releases and in fact has some positives over them. None of them are perfect and it will take a complete remastering job to improve things.
The number of people saying this is alarming. It's not really any worse than any of the other releases and in fact has some positives over them. None of them are perfect and it will take a complete remastering job to improve things.
The Digital Bits have gone into the PQ of this release in some depth. At first 'they' put the reduced picture detail down to digital noise reduction but then after further examination it seems to have been determined that the picture softness and lack of grain structure (over the previous BD release) is a combination of noise reduction and the codec used.
I'm just regurgitating what has been highlighted over on that site though. I'm in over my head on this issue as I've not even seen the previous BD to comment, nor have I a massive HD display (a puny 37"
on which to compare the two discs, even if I had both discs.
Which I don't.
So I'll shut up.
I'm just regurgitating what has been highlighted over on that site though. I'm in over my head on this issue as I've not even seen the previous BD to comment, nor have I a massive HD display (a puny 37"
Which I don't.
So I'll shut up.
That's brilliant. Bill Hunt is now saying what I said in my review and on various forums weeks ago, but I'm sure more people are going to listen to him
Amusing that he says not to make snap judgements, even though that's exactly what he did the other day.
Worst picture? Its miles better than the DVD. Quit your jibber jappber fool.
Nic_Mall wrote: Worst picture? Its miles better than the DVD. Quit your jibber jappber fool.
To me it looks overly bright compared to other prints.
To me it looks overly bright compared to other prints.
The colour timing is different, but it's not really any brighter than the previous UK BD (after coming caps).
Nic_Mall wrote: Worst picture? Its miles better than the DVD. Quit your jibber jappber fool.
But not as good as the prev BD,(IMO), so give it a rest, woman...
But not as good as the prev BD,(IMO), so give it a rest, woman...
I have a serious question: do you own it? I'm just interested in how many people actually have the disc.
Chris Gould wrote: I have a serious question: do you own it? I'm just interested in how many people actually have the disc.
Yes, I own it. I bought it for the extras and kept the previous Optimum release for the transfer. I'm not one of these magic people that can determine purely on screenshots.
Yes, I own it. I bought it for the extras and kept the previous Optimum release for the transfer. I'm not one of these magic people that can determine purely on screenshots.
Just goes to show how subjective this sort of thing is. I prefer the new release on balance, although there's not a huge amount in it.
I own it too. I love how the sleeve says it's a 15 cert and the disc says it's an 18.
Fail.
Fail.
Chris Gould wrote: That's brilliant. Bill Hunt is now saying what I said in my review and on various forums weeks ago, but I'm sure more people are going to listen to him
Amusing that he says not to make snap judgements, even though that's exactly what he did the other day.
Don't take it to heart Chris. We value your reviews and observations it's just I saw B. Hunt's article a week or so ago and have only just seen Marcus' review in the last few days, which seemed to back up what I'd read elswhere. I did think the same thing when I read Bill Hunt's review of the picture myself. 'It's digital noise reduction gone mad' was modified to 'oh actually it might be the codec as well'. Still, I would rather he be open and fess up to his snap judgement (notice the d in judgement) and had a proper look rather than not.
Don't take it to heart Chris. We value your reviews and observations it's just I saw B. Hunt's article a week or so ago and have only just seen Marcus' review in the last few days, which seemed to back up what I'd read elswhere. I did think the same thing when I read Bill Hunt's review of the picture myself. 'It's digital noise reduction gone mad' was modified to 'oh actually it might be the codec as well'. Still, I would rather he be open and fess up to his snap judgement (notice the d in judgement) and had a proper look rather than not.
Nic_Mall wrote: I own it too. I love how the sleeve says it's a 15 cert and the disc says it's an 18.
Fail.
Yeah, I did laugh at that myself. Forgot to add previously: Another bang up review, Marcus. Yourself and Leigh are two of the main reasons I enjoy DVDActive so much... And you, Chris.
Intergalactic Ponce wrote: Still, I would rather he be open and fess up to his snap judgement (notice the d in judgement...
I notice it. I also notice an 'e' that's not meant to be there.
Fail.
Yeah, I did laugh at that myself. Forgot to add previously: Another bang up review, Marcus. Yourself and Leigh are two of the main reasons I enjoy DVDActive so much... And you, Chris.
Intergalactic Ponce wrote: Still, I would rather he be open and fess up to his snap judgement (notice the d in judgement...
I notice it. I also notice an 'e' that's not meant to be there.
That was my error. I mean't to say 'notice the e' not the d. That's what happens when I try to be clever.
I'm reminded of Fight Club when Pitt asks Norton 'How's that working out for you? Being clever'. 'Great' says Norton. 'Well keep it up then' comes the answer.
Have to say though, with regard to the T2 BD, I find myself underwhelmed by it. The picture looks fine to my eyes but there seems to be a lot of juddering with sideways motion and pans that I wasn't that aware of on the two DVD that I have. Both are the R1 Ultimate and Extreme discs.
Nice to have most of the supplements on one disc but I have to agree with Marcus. The way in which you have to access them is a mess. Although I haven't delved too deeply into the disc, am I right in thinking that you can only watch what was previously presented fullscreen in a teeny PiP screen? If so, not good. And still no Guns & Roses video from ye olde LaserDisc I see.
And what's with the naff grinning terminator on the front cover? That back isn't much better, Arhold pasted off centre almost as an afterthought.
Maybe it's the shelling out again for this title that's taken the shiny off this but it needs an overhaul. As has been said, this needs a meaty documentary for the next release. I appreciate that there was an attempt to utilize the BD technology but enough with the fragmented-ness of it all and the gimmicky overlays.
Was also underwhelmed by The Wrestler (another Optimum BD). Picture quality great but didn't care for that annoying ending. I'm sat there as it looks like it's getting to the end and find myself saying, 'Your not going to do that are you? Oh my God you did.' Should have known better than to trust Aronovsky after Requiem. And I was going to give The Fountain a go as well. Don't know if I'll bother know. Mickey Rourke was fantastic in it though but that's about all I say positively about the film.
I'm reminded of Fight Club when Pitt asks Norton 'How's that working out for you? Being clever'. 'Great' says Norton. 'Well keep it up then' comes the answer.
Have to say though, with regard to the T2 BD, I find myself underwhelmed by it. The picture looks fine to my eyes but there seems to be a lot of juddering with sideways motion and pans that I wasn't that aware of on the two DVD that I have. Both are the R1 Ultimate and Extreme discs.
Nice to have most of the supplements on one disc but I have to agree with Marcus. The way in which you have to access them is a mess. Although I haven't delved too deeply into the disc, am I right in thinking that you can only watch what was previously presented fullscreen in a teeny PiP screen? If so, not good. And still no Guns & Roses video from ye olde LaserDisc I see.
And what's with the naff grinning terminator on the front cover? That back isn't much better, Arhold pasted off centre almost as an afterthought.
Maybe it's the shelling out again for this title that's taken the shiny off this but it needs an overhaul. As has been said, this needs a meaty documentary for the next release. I appreciate that there was an attempt to utilize the BD technology but enough with the fragmented-ness of it all and the gimmicky overlays.
Was also underwhelmed by The Wrestler (another Optimum BD). Picture quality great but didn't care for that annoying ending. I'm sat there as it looks like it's getting to the end and find myself saying, 'Your not going to do that are you? Oh my God you did.' Should have known better than to trust Aronovsky after Requiem. And I was going to give The Fountain a go as well. Don't know if I'll bother know. Mickey Rourke was fantastic in it though but that's about all I say positively about the film.
Is there a problem with the Audio on this title? Packaging and disc states English 6.1 DTS MA, yet only English 5.1 is detailed on playback. However, the German language element is decoding full 7.1 DTS MA! And it sounds good too.....
Just like in the films.
Except you have to keep trying to start the Terminator like an old car on a cold morning.
You bought The Mummy. Huh, huh huh.
Shut up Beavis.
Except you have to keep trying to start the Terminator like an old car on a cold morning.
You bought The Mummy. Huh, huh huh.
Shut up Beavis.
its got 6 seperate pieces mfrom the film thats why you have to keep pressing the button to move on to the other one
dvd mike wrote: Worst picture, best extras
Agreed 100% there DVD Mike!
This is not the image I saw projected in the cinema! This is basically the same poor colour transference that has been used for the past 20 years since it came out on VHS to laserdisc to THX laserdisc to DVD to the son of DVD and son of the son DVD and now made worse on Bluray sigh!
I’ve hardly watched the bluray its and EPIC FAIL!
Seems like some lucky bunch at the Egyptian cinema in L.A. recently saw this in pure colour on what is called pure film!
Not sure if the saw a 35mm Dolby SR or 70mm six-track Dolby stereo SR print, I doubt the cinema had CDS which was dead in the water from the time it started.
Agreed 100% there DVD Mike!
This is not the image I saw projected in the cinema! This is basically the same poor colour transference that has been used for the past 20 years since it came out on VHS to laserdisc to THX laserdisc to DVD to the son of DVD and son of the son DVD and now made worse on Bluray sigh!
I’ve hardly watched the bluray its and EPIC FAIL!
Seems like some lucky bunch at the Egyptian cinema in L.A. recently saw this in pure colour on what is called pure film!
Not sure if the saw a 35mm Dolby SR or 70mm six-track Dolby stereo SR print, I doubt the cinema had CDS which was dead in the water from the time it started.


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Disc Details
Release Date:
1st June 2009
Discs:
1
Disc Type:
Blu-ray Disc
RCE:
No
Video:
1080p
Aspect:
2.40:1
Anamorphic:
No
Colour:
Yes
Audio:
DTS-HD Master Audio 6.1 English, Dolby Headphone 2.0 English, DTS-HD High Resolution Audio 5.1 French, DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1 German, Dolby Headphone 2.0 German
Subtitles:
English, French, German, Turkish
Extras:
Audio Commentaries, BonusView PiP, Deleted Scenes, Trailers, BD-Live
Easter Egg:
Yes
Feature Details
Director:
James Cameron
Cast:
Arnold Schwarzenegger, Linda Hamilton, Edward Furlong, Robert Patrick
Genre:
Action, Drama, Sci-Fi and Thriller
Length:
156 minutes
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Looks like ill have to wait a bit more for the TRUE ultimate edition...