Big Boss: Platinum Edition, The (UK - DVD R2)
Sam Charles watches Bruce Lee kick some serious arse in his first feature...
One of the leading proponents of martial arts in the whole world, Bruce Lee died a tragic death in his thirties with only a handful of movies under his black belt. He left a huge entourage of fans wondering what would have become of him in Hollywood had he lived longer. The films that he did manage to complete were generally very poor in quality, with wafer-thin, almost non-existent plots, terrible scripts (with mostly dubbed dialogue) and simply nothing going for them other than the talents of Mr. Lee. Luckily he had a lot of talent, simply exuding charisma and grabbing audiences’ attentions any moment he was on screen. And his skills seemed unparalleled, with furious speed and devastating power combining to make his fluid moves both deadly and awesome to behold.

The Big Boss was Bruce Lee’s first movie. The story is basically encapsulated in the title, but for those who want it broken down, Lee plays a pacifist who discovers mysterious deaths are occurring at the ice factory where his cousins work. He investigates, inevitably having to hang up his pacifist shield in order to fight his way to the top of a corrupt food chain and take down the man behind it all—the Big Boss. It is pretty-much as simple as that. The plot is, of course, just a feeble excuse at stringing together a series of fight scenes—with Lee only coming into play after he is pushed right to the limits and all of his friends and family are torn up in battle.
Key sequences include Lee’s warehouse fight, where he uses various tools—including the infamous saw—to eliminate his many foes, and of course the climactic Big Boss sequence at the end, restored to its fully uncut station where Lee has some fun with his opponents ribs. However, this is still not the complete uncut version of the movie that was originally released—as that is apparently in the hands of a private collector who refuses to give it up—but it is nevertheless the best that we are every likely to see.

With all the latest computer wizardry and wire-work techniques, modern-day audiences are spoiled by the martial arts magic that they can behold. But it is mostly trickery and Hollywood gimmick and, in the same way that Bond para-surfing on CGI icebergs will never outdo the opening sequence in The Spy Who Loved Me where a stuntman skis off a precipice and releases a parachute with the Union Jack on it, nobody is likely to ever beat Bruce Lee in terms of authentic martial arts. His physique, his prowess, his awesome, bone-cracking, and lightning-fast moves are—to this day—unparalleled. And The Big Boss was what started it all. It may not stand up in terms of story, acting, dialogue, score, cinematography or any other standards by which we tend to judge modern movies, it transgresses such examination thanks to one key aspect—Bruce Lee. He alone can make the most basic action adventure immensely watchable, and rewatchable in terms of fight sequences, thanks to endless charisma and consummate skill. The end result is an all-time classic, perhaps not Lee’s best but still a milestone in the unforgivably brief lifetime of one of the greatest martial artists the world has ever known.

The Big Boss comes presented with a brand spanking new restored 2.35:1 aspect ratio anamorphically enhanced widescreen transfer. In line with the recent Bond Ultimate Editions, the video rendition is superior to all previous efforts, but that still does not fully elevate it away from its thirty year old origins. Detail is as good as it is ever likely to be, with little softness, noticeable grain but edge enhancement kept to a minimum. The colour palette is relatively broad, with that era-specific overly-red blood shown in all its unbelievable glory. The movie is packed with darker, poorly-lit sequences, and generally even these stand up. In comparison with modern productions, it is a terrible transfer, but for its time, this is a good effort at restoration.
There are no less than three different audio options for this movie (not counting the commentary), but none of them are particularly satisfactory. In essence, the movie was dubbed, whether by the actors themselves, or other vocal contributors, but the end result is that some synch issues are unavoidable. The Cantonese Stereo is probably the best option to go with, marginally better in terms of spatial dynamics than the Mono variation. There is also an English Mono dub, but this should be avoided for obvious reasons. All in all, for a movie over thirty years old and recorded in such a patchy fashion, the presentation is perfectly acceptable, the dialogue slightly tinny, the martial arts blows resoundingly exaggerated (they might as well have had Bap! Pow! come up in blurbs next to them) and the music is very, very dated. But, still, that’s the price you have to pay with some classics.

In the way of extras, this new Platinum Edition boasts plenty. On the movie disc we get an audio commentary with devout fans Will Johnson and Andrew Staton, who appear to know pretty-much everything you would want to know about Lee. Here they divulge all the trivia you could imagine about The Big Boss and a hell of a lot of background into Lee himself. It is an interesting, fact-packed listen, charting the movie’s history and going into detail over the various cuts out there and the situation with regards to the dubbing. Well worth dipping in and out of.
On the first disc there are also trailers for other Hong Kong Legends releases: Fist of Fury, Way of the Dragon, Game of Death, The Legend and the box-set of all his movies.
Then there’s a whole second disc of extra material. Split into sections, we get ‘Dragon Uncovered’, which contains a fourteen-minute featurette on the history of The Big Boss (largely photo-based), an examination of the elusive original uncut print and a Bruce Lee biography. The narrated history is quite informative but clearly the gem here is the discussion on the oft-talked about uncut print. This has mostly text-based information and a few stills from the infamous scene. It notes how the scenes can be glimpsed in the trailers (featured later on) but how the original print is in the hands of a private collector so it cannot be obtained for general release. The scenes are showcased in poor quality still photograph format (or in footage taken from the trailers), which is the best that they can do at the moment. Very interesting stuff.

The ‘Promotional Gallery’ section has several trailers in it: the UK Platinum trailer, the UK promotional trailer, the original theatrical trailer, the Hong Kong promotional trailer, the rare uncut 8mm UK trailer, the original 35mm UK title sequence, the textless 35mm title sequence and a series of the original lobby cards. Most interesting of these is probably the rare uncut UK trailer, some four minutes long and featuring some of the scenes not seen in this cut.
Finally, the ‘Story Continued’ section has three interviews with various crew members. ‘Breaking the West’ is a fifteen-minute interview with Warner Brothers Executive Paul Heller (who produced Enter the Dragon), where he mainly discusses Enter the Dragon as opposed to The Big Boss, but also details how he enlisted Bruce Lee and the ideas that they had for his various movies. ‘A Rising Star’ is a fifteen minute interview with Fred Weintraub (Heller’s fellow Warner Brothers Producer), who also talks about his involvement with Lee and his collaboration with him on Enter the Dragon, which largely came about after they saw his work on The Big Boss. The last interview ‘What Might Have Been’ is with Tom Kuhn, the President of TV at WB during the time that the Kung Fu series was produced, with David Carradine instead of Bruce Lee. Kuhn talks somewhat mournfully about his bad choice and how it largely came down to Lee’s capability with the English language. This is clearly the best of the interviews and, along with the discussion on the original uncut version on the film, marks a highlight of the disc.

The Big Boss was the start of the legend that is Bruce Lee, the man who forever changed the face of martial arts in the movie industry. Here we have yet another version—the second from Hong Kong Legends alone —but with superior picture quality and a couple of truly compulsory extras, it marks a definitive edition, at least until they manage to convince that elusive private collector to sell his rights to the fully uncut print. Recommended.
Review by Sam Charles

Feature
The Big Boss was Bruce Lee’s first movie. The story is basically encapsulated in the title, but for those who want it broken down, Lee plays a pacifist who discovers mysterious deaths are occurring at the ice factory where his cousins work. He investigates, inevitably having to hang up his pacifist shield in order to fight his way to the top of a corrupt food chain and take down the man behind it all—the Big Boss. It is pretty-much as simple as that. The plot is, of course, just a feeble excuse at stringing together a series of fight scenes—with Lee only coming into play after he is pushed right to the limits and all of his friends and family are torn up in battle.
Key sequences include Lee’s warehouse fight, where he uses various tools—including the infamous saw—to eliminate his many foes, and of course the climactic Big Boss sequence at the end, restored to its fully uncut station where Lee has some fun with his opponents ribs. However, this is still not the complete uncut version of the movie that was originally released—as that is apparently in the hands of a private collector who refuses to give it up—but it is nevertheless the best that we are every likely to see.

With all the latest computer wizardry and wire-work techniques, modern-day audiences are spoiled by the martial arts magic that they can behold. But it is mostly trickery and Hollywood gimmick and, in the same way that Bond para-surfing on CGI icebergs will never outdo the opening sequence in The Spy Who Loved Me where a stuntman skis off a precipice and releases a parachute with the Union Jack on it, nobody is likely to ever beat Bruce Lee in terms of authentic martial arts. His physique, his prowess, his awesome, bone-cracking, and lightning-fast moves are—to this day—unparalleled. And The Big Boss was what started it all. It may not stand up in terms of story, acting, dialogue, score, cinematography or any other standards by which we tend to judge modern movies, it transgresses such examination thanks to one key aspect—Bruce Lee. He alone can make the most basic action adventure immensely watchable, and rewatchable in terms of fight sequences, thanks to endless charisma and consummate skill. The end result is an all-time classic, perhaps not Lee’s best but still a milestone in the unforgivably brief lifetime of one of the greatest martial artists the world has ever known.

Video
The Big Boss comes presented with a brand spanking new restored 2.35:1 aspect ratio anamorphically enhanced widescreen transfer. In line with the recent Bond Ultimate Editions, the video rendition is superior to all previous efforts, but that still does not fully elevate it away from its thirty year old origins. Detail is as good as it is ever likely to be, with little softness, noticeable grain but edge enhancement kept to a minimum. The colour palette is relatively broad, with that era-specific overly-red blood shown in all its unbelievable glory. The movie is packed with darker, poorly-lit sequences, and generally even these stand up. In comparison with modern productions, it is a terrible transfer, but for its time, this is a good effort at restoration.
Audio
There are no less than three different audio options for this movie (not counting the commentary), but none of them are particularly satisfactory. In essence, the movie was dubbed, whether by the actors themselves, or other vocal contributors, but the end result is that some synch issues are unavoidable. The Cantonese Stereo is probably the best option to go with, marginally better in terms of spatial dynamics than the Mono variation. There is also an English Mono dub, but this should be avoided for obvious reasons. All in all, for a movie over thirty years old and recorded in such a patchy fashion, the presentation is perfectly acceptable, the dialogue slightly tinny, the martial arts blows resoundingly exaggerated (they might as well have had Bap! Pow! come up in blurbs next to them) and the music is very, very dated. But, still, that’s the price you have to pay with some classics.

Extras
In the way of extras, this new Platinum Edition boasts plenty. On the movie disc we get an audio commentary with devout fans Will Johnson and Andrew Staton, who appear to know pretty-much everything you would want to know about Lee. Here they divulge all the trivia you could imagine about The Big Boss and a hell of a lot of background into Lee himself. It is an interesting, fact-packed listen, charting the movie’s history and going into detail over the various cuts out there and the situation with regards to the dubbing. Well worth dipping in and out of.
On the first disc there are also trailers for other Hong Kong Legends releases: Fist of Fury, Way of the Dragon, Game of Death, The Legend and the box-set of all his movies.
Then there’s a whole second disc of extra material. Split into sections, we get ‘Dragon Uncovered’, which contains a fourteen-minute featurette on the history of The Big Boss (largely photo-based), an examination of the elusive original uncut print and a Bruce Lee biography. The narrated history is quite informative but clearly the gem here is the discussion on the oft-talked about uncut print. This has mostly text-based information and a few stills from the infamous scene. It notes how the scenes can be glimpsed in the trailers (featured later on) but how the original print is in the hands of a private collector so it cannot be obtained for general release. The scenes are showcased in poor quality still photograph format (or in footage taken from the trailers), which is the best that they can do at the moment. Very interesting stuff.

The ‘Promotional Gallery’ section has several trailers in it: the UK Platinum trailer, the UK promotional trailer, the original theatrical trailer, the Hong Kong promotional trailer, the rare uncut 8mm UK trailer, the original 35mm UK title sequence, the textless 35mm title sequence and a series of the original lobby cards. Most interesting of these is probably the rare uncut UK trailer, some four minutes long and featuring some of the scenes not seen in this cut.
Finally, the ‘Story Continued’ section has three interviews with various crew members. ‘Breaking the West’ is a fifteen-minute interview with Warner Brothers Executive Paul Heller (who produced Enter the Dragon), where he mainly discusses Enter the Dragon as opposed to The Big Boss, but also details how he enlisted Bruce Lee and the ideas that they had for his various movies. ‘A Rising Star’ is a fifteen minute interview with Fred Weintraub (Heller’s fellow Warner Brothers Producer), who also talks about his involvement with Lee and his collaboration with him on Enter the Dragon, which largely came about after they saw his work on The Big Boss. The last interview ‘What Might Have Been’ is with Tom Kuhn, the President of TV at WB during the time that the Kung Fu series was produced, with David Carradine instead of Bruce Lee. Kuhn talks somewhat mournfully about his bad choice and how it largely came down to Lee’s capability with the English language. This is clearly the best of the interviews and, along with the discussion on the original uncut version on the film, marks a highlight of the disc.

Overall
The Big Boss was the start of the legend that is Bruce Lee, the man who forever changed the face of martial arts in the movie industry. Here we have yet another version—the second from Hong Kong Legends alone —but with superior picture quality and a couple of truly compulsory extras, it marks a definitive edition, at least until they manage to convince that elusive private collector to sell his rights to the fully uncut print. Recommended.
Review by Sam Charles
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So...no original Mandarin audio for this release?
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Nope.
If you want Mandarin Mono and the Fortune Star HD Remastered print you'll need to get the R1 Fox box set (containing all bar ETD).
It's not part of any other remastered DVD and even most non-remastered too (which includes the Hong Kong Fortune Star HD Remastered print box set from IVL which is where Fox USA sourced there box set from, adding English Mono, English DD5.1 & Mandarin Mono too).
The HK box set I just mentioned does contain Mandarin DD5.1 though but this HKL Platinum Edition is the only way to get TBB in Remastered form on it's own.
It's not part of any other remastered DVD and even most non-remastered too (which includes the Hong Kong Fortune Star HD Remastered print box set from IVL which is where Fox USA sourced there box set from, adding English Mono, English DD5.1 & Mandarin Mono too).
The HK box set I just mentioned does contain Mandarin DD5.1 though but this HKL Platinum Edition is the only way to get TBB in Remastered form on it's own.
Corrections+Additions
Hmm, thanks for the review, but I'd like to point out a few things:
Without Mandarin (which I warned HKL about many many times), it's not ultimate nor recommended. HKL used to be excellent (but flawed) but now, they've taken a major landside and turned into a typical mainstream market processing all their materials from FS and the likes automatically without giving much (if any) thought into the release.
I have to strongly disagree with the 'terrible transfer' quote. HK cinema has a terrible history with film preservation and to be honest (especially for a film of this era and it's very low budget e.t.c), we're pretty damn lucky to have been blessed with a transfer this good considering it's hard to find good prints. If you think this was bad, you should see the other versions: HKL had problems with colour correction whilst everything else was not steady in terms on contrast e.t.c - their print was in bad shape. Other DVDs had moments of bad damage.
The film looks absolutely amazing through the FS source if not totally perfect (anyone will tell you that). As a matter of fact, FS are working on a 2nd restoration round for the BL films and they should be released at the beginning of 2007 according to Peter Poon (unless it changed). I hold myself in anticipation to what they've done to improve.
BTW, the killerblow at the end is different on the following versions.
1971 Golden Harvest (Mandarin and export English e.t.c versions - no Cantonese): Fully uncut (has all the footage that the two versions below kind-of 'divided' in a way to present a different version of what happened).
1973 National General Pictures (At least the English version - different from the Golden Harvest version with only some foley/warcries remaining): Staredown.
1983 Golden Harvest (Cantonese): Boss shutting his eyes in pain, fingers in the ribs with camera moving up to the two men's stares.
Note that the video of the 1973/83 versions of the killerblow were actually together in one piece (instead of seperate) for the 1971 version before they were edited and presented in two parts - The NGP's cutting of the finger stabbing (to avoid higher rating) is probably what may have started the scissor snipping for the 1983 version.
So nothing was really 'restored' as it was exclusively approved by the studios at the time. I would only say 'restored' if it was cut out but originally included for the intended release in such a way - which obviously isn't the case here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YhYlDEgOVA - Although the audio was added for accompaniment by CousinCheng (using the foley of the 1971 version and music of 1973 version), the video shows how it looked in full back in 1971. A version with the full original 1971 soundtrack maybe posted soon.
The Fortune Star remastered HD print (which is used in all DVDs except the R1 Fox version and it's many bootlegs from Brentwood e.t.c) has the Cantonese video with the English 1973 audio (included in the HKL DVDs) awkwardly spliced in (doesn't snch well). The 1971 Mandarin audio has been cut down to fit the Cantonese video for this scene (which the Fox remastered boxset and some HK VCDs/DVDs depict). The Cantonese soundtrack naturally fits the Cantonese video as it was created to synch this exclusive 1983 edited reissue print.
The 8mm (probably actually 'super-8'
'UK' (it's actually an 'English export international'
trailer has one deleted scene of James Tien getting stabbed in the head. It's strangely missing another scene(with confirmed reports by collectors who have the trailer in full) of another head in the ice (which could be the cousin killed with a hatchet after refusing to join the drug business).
The original Mandarin theatrical trailer has 3 deleted scenes: Nora/Bruce spotting each other, James Tien bragging about the fight, final visit to the brothel.
BTW, the (suspected bootleg by) Zoke Culture in China has the film using HD FS print, English subtitles and a mono Mandarin soundtrack (and it's available on it's own)!
Without Mandarin (which I warned HKL about many many times), it's not ultimate nor recommended. HKL used to be excellent (but flawed) but now, they've taken a major landside and turned into a typical mainstream market processing all their materials from FS and the likes automatically without giving much (if any) thought into the release.
I have to strongly disagree with the 'terrible transfer' quote. HK cinema has a terrible history with film preservation and to be honest (especially for a film of this era and it's very low budget e.t.c), we're pretty damn lucky to have been blessed with a transfer this good considering it's hard to find good prints. If you think this was bad, you should see the other versions: HKL had problems with colour correction whilst everything else was not steady in terms on contrast e.t.c - their print was in bad shape. Other DVDs had moments of bad damage.
The film looks absolutely amazing through the FS source if not totally perfect (anyone will tell you that). As a matter of fact, FS are working on a 2nd restoration round for the BL films and they should be released at the beginning of 2007 according to Peter Poon (unless it changed). I hold myself in anticipation to what they've done to improve.
BTW, the killerblow at the end is different on the following versions.
1971 Golden Harvest (Mandarin and export English e.t.c versions - no Cantonese): Fully uncut (has all the footage that the two versions below kind-of 'divided' in a way to present a different version of what happened).
1973 National General Pictures (At least the English version - different from the Golden Harvest version with only some foley/warcries remaining): Staredown.
1983 Golden Harvest (Cantonese): Boss shutting his eyes in pain, fingers in the ribs with camera moving up to the two men's stares.
Note that the video of the 1973/83 versions of the killerblow were actually together in one piece (instead of seperate) for the 1971 version before they were edited and presented in two parts - The NGP's cutting of the finger stabbing (to avoid higher rating) is probably what may have started the scissor snipping for the 1983 version.
So nothing was really 'restored' as it was exclusively approved by the studios at the time. I would only say 'restored' if it was cut out but originally included for the intended release in such a way - which obviously isn't the case here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YhYlDEgOVA - Although the audio was added for accompaniment by CousinCheng (using the foley of the 1971 version and music of 1973 version), the video shows how it looked in full back in 1971. A version with the full original 1971 soundtrack maybe posted soon.
The Fortune Star remastered HD print (which is used in all DVDs except the R1 Fox version and it's many bootlegs from Brentwood e.t.c) has the Cantonese video with the English 1973 audio (included in the HKL DVDs) awkwardly spliced in (doesn't snch well). The 1971 Mandarin audio has been cut down to fit the Cantonese video for this scene (which the Fox remastered boxset and some HK VCDs/DVDs depict). The Cantonese soundtrack naturally fits the Cantonese video as it was created to synch this exclusive 1983 edited reissue print.
The 8mm (probably actually 'super-8'
The original Mandarin theatrical trailer has 3 deleted scenes: Nora/Bruce spotting each other, James Tien bragging about the fight, final visit to the brothel.
BTW, the (suspected bootleg by) Zoke Culture in China has the film using HD FS print, English subtitles and a mono Mandarin soundtrack (and it's available on it's own)!
While you clearly have a love for the film, I don't think you can tell the reviewer that it's 'not recommended'. That's down to him. Also, you took his 'terrible transfer' comment out of context. By today's standards it is pretty bad, but as he said, it's good for a low-budget HK film made in the 70s.
As for as recommending this or that it all comes down again to what you perceive to be important. Something I think is often lost on people who love a film or series to death.
That's not to take anything anything away from your point of view just that we don't all think the same.
IMO for me the overall package of this it outweighs the R1 box set, and even if it didn't what are you going to buy if you literally just want TBB? The alternative is a more expensive box set of films you may not want.
For a film of it's age it's very good IMO. The point for me: does it look the best of the available DVDs out there? Yes so I'm happy (taking into account my previous point).
Many complained the FOF HKL PE was too pink. While against the others it is but IMO it's not severe and in order to get the "so called" better version I have to buy other Bruce Lee films I may not want (i.e - the R1 box set).
That's not to take anything anything away from your point of view just that we don't all think the same.
IMO for me the overall package of this it outweighs the R1 box set, and even if it didn't what are you going to buy if you literally just want TBB? The alternative is a more expensive box set of films you may not want.
For a film of it's age it's very good IMO. The point for me: does it look the best of the available DVDs out there? Yes so I'm happy (taking into account my previous point).
Many complained the FOF HKL PE was too pink. While against the others it is but IMO it's not severe and in order to get the "so called" better version I have to buy other Bruce Lee films I may not want (i.e - the R1 box set).
Yeah, good points guys
.
It doesn't seem all that terrible though.
Remember Zoke Culture in China released BB seperately using FS HD source, Mandarin/subtitled
. You don't have to be stuck with Fox
.
It doesn't seem all that terrible though.
Remember Zoke Culture in China released BB seperately using FS HD source, Mandarin/subtitled
Really. I never knew that cheers Chen. To much to hope for English subs I guess? :-(
Crikey you're right:
http://www.hkflix.com/xq/asp/filmID.538089/qx/d...
FS HD Remaster
Mandarin Stereo (I wonder if this is really Mono? Either way for purists it's better than 5.1)
English or Chinese subtitles
Crikey you're right:
http://www.hkflix.com/xq/asp/filmID.538089/qx/d...
FS HD Remaster
Mandarin Stereo (I wonder if this is really Mono? Either way for purists it's better than 5.1)
English or Chinese subtitles
I know you guys have your opinions on the DVD, but HKL missed out on lots of things - including the Bey commentary included on the first issue (which was the same length).
HKL were warned so many times (by myself actually, personally) about the Mandarin and they didn't include it.
I wouldn't really fault the transfer as nothing much more can be done to restore it further. Basically, it's really to do with the quality of the film stock and the preservation over the years and not the transfer itself.
I find it pure incompetance what HKL brought out. They had their merits years ago, but now it's just boring.
HKL were warned so many times (by myself actually, personally) about the Mandarin and they didn't include it.
I wouldn't really fault the transfer as nothing much more can be done to restore it further. Basically, it's really to do with the quality of the film stock and the preservation over the years and not the transfer itself.
I find it pure incompetance what HKL brought out. They had their merits years ago, but now it's just boring.


Suitable only for persons of 18 years and over
Disc Details
Release Date:
23rd October 2006
Discs:
1
Disc Type:
Single side, dual layer
RCE:
No
Video:
PAL
Aspect:
2.35:1
Anamorphic:
Yes
Colour:
Yes
Audio:
Dolby Digital 2.0 Cantonese, Dolby Digital 1.0 Cantonese, Dolby Digital 1.0 English
Subtitles:
English, Dutch
Extras:
Feature-Length Audio Commentary by Andrew Staton and Will Johnston, Paul Heller - Breaking the West Interview, Fred Weintraub - A Rising Star Interview, Tom Kuhn - What Might Have Been Interview, The History of The Big Boss – A Photographic Retrospective Featurette, Deleted Scenes Examined – The Story of the Elusive Original Uncut Print Featurette, Bruce Lee Biography, UK Platinum Trailer, UK Promotional Trailer, Original Theatrical Trailer, Hong Kong Promotional Trailer, Uncut 8 mm UK Trailer, Original 35 mm UK Title Sequence, Textless 35 mm Title Sequence, Original Lobby Cards, HKL Trailers
Easter Egg:
No
Feature Details
Director:
Wei Lo
Cast:
Bruce Lee, Maria Yi, James Tien
Genre:
Action
Length:
96 minutes


