The Force Among Us (US - DVD)
A fan-made doc on the Star Wars legacy? Peter Martin forces himself...
A disclaimer: I'm not much of a Star Wars fan. I know that's pretty blasphemous around these parts but I find it hard to get too excited about a franchise where at least 33% of its input is mediocre. Sure, I know the movies pretty well and they all sit on my shelf (even The Phantom Menace which, let's be honest is awful), but I think the whole craze passed me by.
For this reason, I'm probably not the best person to be reviewing a documentary on Star Wars. And I'm certainly not the best person to be reviewing a documentary on Star Wars fans. That's right; the fan-made The Force Among Us has very little to do with the making of the movies. No, this is purely focused on the fans and their feelings about the saga.
And so I approached The Force Among Us with a mix of curiosity and trepidation and, those of you who have spin-off novels and action figures stashed away, should approach the following review in much the same way. To be honest, I thought long and hard about just how critical I could be towards this disc given its amateur status but, at the end of the day, it's only fair that it's given the same treatment as all the other DVDs, professional or otherwise, that have found their way to this website.
Feature
This is a fan made feature with no ties to Lucasfilm, so you won’t get any clips or music from the films because no one wants to get sued. What you do get is a rather large cast of obsessives detailing how they got into the craze and what it means to them.
I liken the experience of watching this feature to finding yourself in a dedicated web forum for a topic with which you're only vaguely familiar. Frequently incomprehensible, endlessly repetitive and occasionally boring; you just want to get out of there as quickly as possible. Maybe there are people out there who will be interested in what order one of the interviewees will show the Star Wars films to his children or which particular websites another fan has bookmarked, but this reviewer was left a little baffled.
As expected, there are countless shots of various memorabilia collections and the documentary crew follow a few fans as they visit the locations of some of the saga's most key scenes. Would it be snide and rude to confess that I sat laughing in pity at the guy who has spent $30,000 on feeding his habit? It would? Oh well.
Part of the thinking behind this documentary is to explain that Star Wars fans aren't ‘stereotypical’. I'm not sure what the producer/director team of siblings Cristian and Cortney Macht deem to be ‘sterotypical’, but I don't think the documentary disproved any of my opinions. More so it perpetuated the image that Star Wars fans are, well, a little ‘geeky’.
I'm no stranger to the world of overly enthusiastic fandom, but there is surely a limit to how in-depth you can get on any subject; and an eighty-minute documentary on fans themselves is surely pushing it—even for the almighty Star Wars.
Further information on the documentary can be found at the official website
Video
First off, a criticism. The main feature is not split into chapters. Depending on your DVD player it is either impossible to skip through the eighty-six minute documentary, or it'll skip you straight to the extras. As for the image quality, well, it varies dramatically according to the interviewee. Some are over-saturated in colour, some are hard to distinguish from the background.
Audio
The Force Among Us is presented in Dolby Digital 2.0 Audio. As expected, it's not an overly impressive mix and requires constant fiddling with volume controls to compensate for the way in which the sound level changes from scene to scene.
Extras
Producer/Director team Cristian and Cortney Macht are on hand with an audio commentary detailing the making of the documentary and, if eighty-six minutes worth of Star Wars centric interviews weren't enough, there's some extended moments with the fans. Questions such as ‘If you were alone on a desert island, which Star Wars character would be your ideal companion’ and ‘Would you like to be buried with some Star Wars merchandise when you die?’ are also asked. Words fail me.
Promotional material is also present on the disc, together with photo galleries of the shooting of the documentary.
Overall
It's quite hard to recommend a DVD that has such a narrow target audience and you yourself don't fit into it. Basically, the criterion for purchasing this disc is surely whether you yourself would want to be featured in it. If the prospect of Greedo shooting first keeps you awake at night, this is the disc for you.
For this reason, I'm probably not the best person to be reviewing a documentary on Star Wars. And I'm certainly not the best person to be reviewing a documentary on Star Wars fans. That's right; the fan-made The Force Among Us has very little to do with the making of the movies. No, this is purely focused on the fans and their feelings about the saga.
And so I approached The Force Among Us with a mix of curiosity and trepidation and, those of you who have spin-off novels and action figures stashed away, should approach the following review in much the same way. To be honest, I thought long and hard about just how critical I could be towards this disc given its amateur status but, at the end of the day, it's only fair that it's given the same treatment as all the other DVDs, professional or otherwise, that have found their way to this website.
Feature
This is a fan made feature with no ties to Lucasfilm, so you won’t get any clips or music from the films because no one wants to get sued. What you do get is a rather large cast of obsessives detailing how they got into the craze and what it means to them.
I liken the experience of watching this feature to finding yourself in a dedicated web forum for a topic with which you're only vaguely familiar. Frequently incomprehensible, endlessly repetitive and occasionally boring; you just want to get out of there as quickly as possible. Maybe there are people out there who will be interested in what order one of the interviewees will show the Star Wars films to his children or which particular websites another fan has bookmarked, but this reviewer was left a little baffled.
As expected, there are countless shots of various memorabilia collections and the documentary crew follow a few fans as they visit the locations of some of the saga's most key scenes. Would it be snide and rude to confess that I sat laughing in pity at the guy who has spent $30,000 on feeding his habit? It would? Oh well.
Part of the thinking behind this documentary is to explain that Star Wars fans aren't ‘stereotypical’. I'm not sure what the producer/director team of siblings Cristian and Cortney Macht deem to be ‘sterotypical’, but I don't think the documentary disproved any of my opinions. More so it perpetuated the image that Star Wars fans are, well, a little ‘geeky’.
I'm no stranger to the world of overly enthusiastic fandom, but there is surely a limit to how in-depth you can get on any subject; and an eighty-minute documentary on fans themselves is surely pushing it—even for the almighty Star Wars.
Further information on the documentary can be found at the official website
Video
First off, a criticism. The main feature is not split into chapters. Depending on your DVD player it is either impossible to skip through the eighty-six minute documentary, or it'll skip you straight to the extras. As for the image quality, well, it varies dramatically according to the interviewee. Some are over-saturated in colour, some are hard to distinguish from the background.
Audio
The Force Among Us is presented in Dolby Digital 2.0 Audio. As expected, it's not an overly impressive mix and requires constant fiddling with volume controls to compensate for the way in which the sound level changes from scene to scene.
Extras
Producer/Director team Cristian and Cortney Macht are on hand with an audio commentary detailing the making of the documentary and, if eighty-six minutes worth of Star Wars centric interviews weren't enough, there's some extended moments with the fans. Questions such as ‘If you were alone on a desert island, which Star Wars character would be your ideal companion’ and ‘Would you like to be buried with some Star Wars merchandise when you die?’ are also asked. Words fail me.
Promotional material is also present on the disc, together with photo galleries of the shooting of the documentary.
Overall
It's quite hard to recommend a DVD that has such a narrow target audience and you yourself don't fit into it. Basically, the criterion for purchasing this disc is surely whether you yourself would want to be featured in it. If the prospect of Greedo shooting first keeps you awake at night, this is the disc for you.
Review by Peter Martin
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Intergalactic Ponce wrote: Also if the 1982 in Wormser1982 is the year of his or (doubtfully) her birthday, then he's/she's unqualified to comment on SW as 'they weren't there man'. 'They weren't there in 77 so they don't know'. They didn't even have the decency to be born in time for Raiders. Yeah that's right RAIDERS not 'the Adventures of Indiana Jones part 38 or whatever it was re-badged as for the boxset.
Mmm. I appear to have gone a bit obsessed.
who gives a c**p?! thats like saying if you werent around in the sixties, you cant be into the beatles. This documentary wasnt trying to disprove "rabid, obsessive fanatics". all the people bashing it are saying "it probably sucks" or "its probably not good" well how do you know? just goes to prove that there are alot of morons on this site. and I still think this website sucks! now you can ban me again.
...and another thing, I understand you have the "right" to review this film, but you don't have the right to pity someone just because you don't like their hobby, DUMBASS!
Mmm. I appear to have gone a bit obsessed.
who gives a c**p?! thats like saying if you werent around in the sixties, you cant be into the beatles. This documentary wasnt trying to disprove "rabid, obsessive fanatics". all the people bashing it are saying "it probably sucks" or "its probably not good" well how do you know? just goes to prove that there are alot of morons on this site. and I still think this website sucks! now you can ban me again.
...and another thing, I understand you have the "right" to review this film, but you don't have the right to pity someone just because you don't like their hobby, DUMBASS!
I just think it's absurd that you have DVD collectors trashing Star Wars collectors, as if it's any different. If you own 1000 Star Wars toys to me it's the same as owning 1000 DVDs. You're both nerds in your respective hobbies. SO HAVE FUN NERDS!
Remeber in show biz land ~~~~
NO PUBLICITY IS BAD PUBLICITY
I AM SURE THE FILMAKERS ARE VERY GRATEFUL FOR ALL YOUR COMMENTS-POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE. THIS IS GREAT FOR THEIR FILM.
NO PUBLICITY IS BAD PUBLICITY
I AM SURE THE FILMAKERS ARE VERY GRATEFUL FOR ALL YOUR COMMENTS-POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE. THIS IS GREAT FOR THEIR FILM.
Wow - don't they just say "It's only a movie"???
Oh - great review Pete! These things some timeas can be extremely painfull...
I think the most shocking thing to come out of this is that it sounds like Chris dresses up as Luke Skywalker in stead of Qui-Gon Jinn...
Oh - great review Pete! These things some timeas can be extremely painfull...
I think the most shocking thing to come out of this is that it sounds like Chris dresses up as Luke Skywalker in stead of Qui-Gon Jinn...
Just dipped in to check out Chewy on the bike, the single best thing that came out of this whole debacle. If everyone would just stop talking and peacefully gaze upon this masterpiece, we can stop all the discussion. In my humble and meaningless opinion, this single frame of film is vastly more entertaining than episodes 1-3, hell, even better then Lucas' re-releases of the originals where Solo shoots first and Luke lets out that pussified yelp after facing Vader and jumping into the abyss. It's the only hardcore thing Luke ever did, an apparent suicide attempt with a silent dignity, and Lucas took that from him. Lame.
Fanboys throwing hissyfits - always a good read!
Good, fair and articulate review Pete. Personally, I'm with you on the casual fan side. I've seen the movies, and some day I'll get around to buying the DVD's, whenever they finally decide which is the "Definitive - and LAST RELEASE EVER!" version.
The idea of grown men running around like kids dressed up in costumes amuses me. The fact they wish to spend vast amounts of money doing it also amuses me, although prob not as much as it amuses Lucas, as he laughs his way to yet another billion or two.
What fans tend to forget is this : Star Wars, its entertainment - not a way of life. (For normal people anyways!)
Having said that, the dudes who dress up as "Bango Jett" (or whatever his name is...) at the weekends prob think that guys who go to football games are a tad strange.
Horses for courses etc.
Just because Peter didn't like the movie, did it even cross your minds it was because it was just a BAD MOVIE?!
It does happen you know.....do I need to mention Phantom Menace?
I thank you.
Good, fair and articulate review Pete. Personally, I'm with you on the casual fan side. I've seen the movies, and some day I'll get around to buying the DVD's, whenever they finally decide which is the "Definitive - and LAST RELEASE EVER!" version.
The idea of grown men running around like kids dressed up in costumes amuses me. The fact they wish to spend vast amounts of money doing it also amuses me, although prob not as much as it amuses Lucas, as he laughs his way to yet another billion or two.
What fans tend to forget is this : Star Wars, its entertainment - not a way of life. (For normal people anyways!)
Having said that, the dudes who dress up as "Bango Jett" (or whatever his name is...) at the weekends prob think that guys who go to football games are a tad strange.
Horses for courses etc.
Just because Peter didn't like the movie, did it even cross your minds it was because it was just a BAD MOVIE?!
It does happen you know.....do I need to mention Phantom Menace?
I thank you.
Are we still on this, guys? Haven't we moved on?
CranDenis wrote: I think that anyone who wishes to comment on this filme should, at the very least, see it first to know what you're commenting on.
Yay! A naysayer agrees that I'm qualified to review this disc. Good.
CranDenis wrote:
I don't agree with this reviewer calling it "amateur", if we all had to wait to make a film until some big name studio backed it, how many films would we have?
The only point I've used the word "amateur" when talking about this disc was the following;
"To be honest, I thought long and hard about just how critical I could be towards this disc given its amateur status but, at the end of the day, it's only fair that it's given the same treatment as all the other DVDs, professional or otherwise, that have found their way to this website."
This disc IS amateur because the people involved (and correct me if I'm wrong, CranDenis as you would know far better than most) are not professionals and were not paid. The word "amateur" is NOT a criticism; it's a fact.
By the way, I'm an amateur DVD reviewer...
CranDenis wrote:
If this isn't your cup of tea, so be it, no one is forcing (pardon the pun) you to watch it.
Did anyone ever say they were? This production will never be shown on TV, it will have limited promotion. The purpose of the review was to a) Help promote it and b)Let people know whether it was worth bothering with.
To all the dedicated fans, cast members of this documentary and their family, pets and friends; for the nth time, please PLEASE look at the Overall section of this review. I state that big fans will enjoy this more than I did. Maybe they'll also overlook the repetitive nature, over-analysis and dire music and also come to the conclusion that it's a good documentary.
You can slate my prose, my grammar, the deliberate mistake in the first paragraph...in fact the whole review. It really doesn't bother me (I guess this is the difference between me and you); but don't try and convince me that my opinion is incorrect.
CranDenis wrote: I think that anyone who wishes to comment on this filme should, at the very least, see it first to know what you're commenting on.
Yay! A naysayer agrees that I'm qualified to review this disc. Good.
CranDenis wrote:
I don't agree with this reviewer calling it "amateur", if we all had to wait to make a film until some big name studio backed it, how many films would we have?
The only point I've used the word "amateur" when talking about this disc was the following;
"To be honest, I thought long and hard about just how critical I could be towards this disc given its amateur status but, at the end of the day, it's only fair that it's given the same treatment as all the other DVDs, professional or otherwise, that have found their way to this website."
This disc IS amateur because the people involved (and correct me if I'm wrong, CranDenis as you would know far better than most) are not professionals and were not paid. The word "amateur" is NOT a criticism; it's a fact.
By the way, I'm an amateur DVD reviewer...
CranDenis wrote:
If this isn't your cup of tea, so be it, no one is forcing (pardon the pun) you to watch it.
Did anyone ever say they were? This production will never be shown on TV, it will have limited promotion. The purpose of the review was to a) Help promote it and b)Let people know whether it was worth bothering with.
To all the dedicated fans, cast members of this documentary and their family, pets and friends; for the nth time, please PLEASE look at the Overall section of this review. I state that big fans will enjoy this more than I did. Maybe they'll also overlook the repetitive nature, over-analysis and dire music and also come to the conclusion that it's a good documentary.
You can slate my prose, my grammar, the deliberate mistake in the first paragraph...in fact the whole review. It really doesn't bother me (I guess this is the difference between me and you); but don't try and convince me that my opinion is incorrect.
CranDenis wrote: I think that anyone who wishes to comment on this filme should, at the very least, see it first to know what you're commenting on. I am a Star Wars fan, and have seen the film, and consider it a very good piece of filmmaking. I don't agree with this reviewer calling it amateur, if we all had to wait to make a film until some big name studio backed it, how many films would we have? Look at what Kevin Smith did with "Clerks". Had anyone even heard of him before that? I give the brother and sister team props if for nothing else than putting their money where their mouths are and actually bringing this project to fruition. How many of us had big dreams or schemes, yet sat around and waited for their big break to just fall into their laps. I have been part of several community access television productions that were started, but never completed for one reason or the other. Here the two came up with an idea, got the funds together to pull it off, and now the DVD is out there for all to see and enjoy if they so choose. If this isn't your cup of tea, so be it, no one is forcing (pardon the pun) you to watch it. I don't know how many copies of the film have sold, but as long as they're selling, that's not a bad thing. I just hope they and all involved had fun making the film, I'm sure if you give it a chance, you'll have fun watching it too. So bravo Cris and Cortney! I look forward to your future projects. Don't let the criticisms of a few, ruin your chances to bring a little fun into the lives of many, Star Wars fan or not.
http://www.digitallyobsessed.com/powersearch.ph...
Are you the same Dan Dudych from the credits? I'd say you were pretty biased if you were, wouldn't you? Pretty much as biased as everyone claims Peter to be as a non-Star Wars fan...
Jesus, people are acting like this is the end of the bloody world... I honestly can't believe this. It really is sad, and this is coming from (as stated before) a big, no, huge Star Wars fan...
If this is a work of passion (which this clearly was to everyone involved), then really, all of you defending it, why do you give a damn what one person thinks? I certainly respect the filmmakers for making the film, and getting it distributed. However that doesn't mean that the end product is going to be brilliant. Sometimes, yes it does, but most times it doesn't. Yeah, it’s always better if people like it, but if they didn’t, then how does that change the experience you had?
And again, I must ask, how in the Hell did this anthill become a mountain?
http://www.digitallyobsessed.com/powersearch.ph...
Are you the same Dan Dudych from the credits? I'd say you were pretty biased if you were, wouldn't you? Pretty much as biased as everyone claims Peter to be as a non-Star Wars fan...
Jesus, people are acting like this is the end of the bloody world... I honestly can't believe this. It really is sad, and this is coming from (as stated before) a big, no, huge Star Wars fan...
If this is a work of passion (which this clearly was to everyone involved), then really, all of you defending it, why do you give a damn what one person thinks? I certainly respect the filmmakers for making the film, and getting it distributed. However that doesn't mean that the end product is going to be brilliant. Sometimes, yes it does, but most times it doesn't. Yeah, it’s always better if people like it, but if they didn’t, then how does that change the experience you had?
And again, I must ask, how in the Hell did this anthill become a mountain?
I think that anyone who wishes to comment on this filme should, at the very least, see it first to know what you're commenting on. I am a Star Wars fan, and have seen the film, and consider it a very good piece of filmmaking. I don't agree with this reviewer calling it amateur, if we all had to wait to make a film until some big name studio backed it, how many films would we have? Look at what Kevin Smith did with "Clerks". Had anyone even heard of him before that? I give the brother and sister team props if for nothing else than putting their money where their mouths are and actually bringing this project to fruition. How many of us had big dreams or schemes, yet sat around and waited for their big break to just fall into their laps. I have been part of several community access television productions that were started, but never completed for one reason or the other. Here the two came up with an idea, got the funds together to pull it off, and now the DVD is out there for all to see and enjoy if they so choose. If this isn't your cup of tea, so be it, no one is forcing (pardon the pun) you to watch it. I don't know how many copies of the film have sold, but as long as they're selling, that's not a bad thing. I just hope they and all involved had fun making the film, I'm sure if you give it a chance, you'll have fun watching it too. So bravo Cris and Cortney! I look forward to your future projects. Don't let the criticisms of a few, ruin your chances to bring a little fun into the lives of many, Star Wars fan or not.
I would just like to say Petes review rocks and is sufficient!! But whatever floats Luke Skywalkers X Wing.
Gabe I finely own Duck You Sucker and the 4 disk Leone set that it comes with. I love that film and Spaghetti Westerns in general. Just wish I had more money so I could watch more.I don't know what this has to do with The Force Among Us but I thought I'd add it.
Gabe I finely own Duck You Sucker and the 4 disk Leone set that it comes with. I love that film and Spaghetti Westerns in general. Just wish I had more money so I could watch more.I don't know what this has to do with The Force Among Us but I thought I'd add it.
Dude, props to Pete. I can't believe all this fuss over a poorly crafted documentary. Is it supposed to be funny? Cause the Chewbacca riding the bicycle makes me piss my pants laughing every time I see it. I haven't always agreed with the reviews on this site, frankly, I rarely do. But it's not like they'll stop production on the DVD's because the folks at dvdactive didn't really care for it. Anyway, great site guys, probably an accurate review also. But thank heavens for that Chewy riding the bike! He's already made my day.
If I was stuck on a desert island, I'd trade any one character for an entertainment system and the six films.
I fit pretty comfortably into the category of fans that have spent wayyy too much money on Star Wars collectibles, but it sounds like this film dwelled too much on the fans being fans. If you're trying to demonstrate that we don't all fit the stereotype, how 'bout you show that when we're not hunting for Star Wars figures or flocking to conventions we live relatively normal nine to five lives. The fat old slob notion is quite inaccurate, as most of us are content to demonstrate our fandom only on the infrequent occasion when a quote seems appropriate, or on casual Fridays when we can wear our Darth Maul t-shirts.
'Course, all that would make for a boring documentary.
I fit pretty comfortably into the category of fans that have spent wayyy too much money on Star Wars collectibles, but it sounds like this film dwelled too much on the fans being fans. If you're trying to demonstrate that we don't all fit the stereotype, how 'bout you show that when we're not hunting for Star Wars figures or flocking to conventions we live relatively normal nine to five lives. The fat old slob notion is quite inaccurate, as most of us are content to demonstrate our fandom only on the infrequent occasion when a quote seems appropriate, or on casual Fridays when we can wear our Darth Maul t-shirts.
'Course, all that would make for a boring documentary.
This is what really sucks about fandom - Pete writes a luke-warm review about an independent fanfilm and we get new readers signing on just to b***h at him, I write a loving ode to the series and nary a single new reader signs on to say a thing. It's always about the negative with these people. It's as if something isn't worth saying unless it's a complaint.
Hear that guys? Gabe is willing to give the disc a second opinion, so the big fans amongst you will have a bit of representation too. Bear in mind that the disc is intended to cater for both audiences, so we'll get both sides of the story.
Interestingly, I'm of the opinion that a dedicated fan would see past its shortcomings and enjoy it immensely (see the comments in the "Overall" section); and this seems to already be the case considering the other reviews I have seen on the disc.
As I said above, I'm surprised by the hostility that putting across one opinion has caused. The words "Passion" and "ambitious" have been thrown about on this thread. I would argue that, just because something is made with passion and ambition (which this doc surely was), does not mean it will automatically be entertaining.
Interestingly, I'm of the opinion that a dedicated fan would see past its shortcomings and enjoy it immensely (see the comments in the "Overall" section); and this seems to already be the case considering the other reviews I have seen on the disc.
As I said above, I'm surprised by the hostility that putting across one opinion has caused. The words "Passion" and "ambitious" have been thrown about on this thread. I would argue that, just because something is made with passion and ambition (which this doc surely was), does not mean it will automatically be entertaining.
Look, just mail me the movie Pete so I can let everyone know it's just OK, they all know I'm the crazy guy that liked the prequels because of that article I wrote. Maybe that will end all the pointless bickering. Me, I should start keeping score of how many times I got similar complaints after a review. As a fanatic of many things, I don't get this need for other fans to critique things at all. Why Pete himself gave The Stendhal Syndrome a luke-warm review before I was a writer here, and I took it as a hint that perhaps not every film transcends fanaticism.
Then again, when I was 17 I threw similar fits about people not liking Dawn of the Dead and The Exorcist, so maybe it's just a maturity thing.
Then again, when I was 17 I threw similar fits about people not liking Dawn of the Dead and The Exorcist, so maybe it's just a maturity thing.
Ok everybody…It took me a while to get through reading all the squabbling about this movie but I think as a true critic you may have missed the true and often obvious essence of this movie. (by the way, I am not a fan) but I am a fan of the profound effect this movies seems to have on people’s lives and that is what this movies portrays. Peoples amazing stories….
I was truly amazed with the father standing with his autistic son in awe of the fact that the music and the movies and toys actually developed a connection between them…… a connection to his autistic son that he could not reach any other way. That is as amazing and heart wrenching as it gets……
Then there was the fan that had a rough childhood and proclaimed that Star Wars taught him the intrinsic worth of good and evil. That in itself is a life’s lesson that very few learn.
As for the fan that spent $30,000.00 dollars on his “collection”…. Some people spend that in a day on crack cocaine. I think if we all look at ourselves we all have our vices, obsessions, splurges, binges….. and to me….that is what I took away from this film. That the Star Wars saga has had an amazing capacity to actually change people’s lives.
Kudos to the writers/directors/producers for having a dream……..and following it…..bad lighting, video…whatever………How many people actually talk about a dream or an idea they have and actually bring it to fulfillment??? Not many.
I look forward to future collaborations from both of them.
And just remember, there are a lot of people who live on “some day Isle” and these two ambitious directors obviously do not share that address…….
I was truly amazed with the father standing with his autistic son in awe of the fact that the music and the movies and toys actually developed a connection between them…… a connection to his autistic son that he could not reach any other way. That is as amazing and heart wrenching as it gets……
Then there was the fan that had a rough childhood and proclaimed that Star Wars taught him the intrinsic worth of good and evil. That in itself is a life’s lesson that very few learn.
As for the fan that spent $30,000.00 dollars on his “collection”…. Some people spend that in a day on crack cocaine. I think if we all look at ourselves we all have our vices, obsessions, splurges, binges….. and to me….that is what I took away from this film. That the Star Wars saga has had an amazing capacity to actually change people’s lives.
Kudos to the writers/directors/producers for having a dream……..and following it…..bad lighting, video…whatever………How many people actually talk about a dream or an idea they have and actually bring it to fulfillment??? Not many.
I look forward to future collaborations from both of them.
And just remember, there are a lot of people who live on “some day Isle” and these two ambitious directors obviously do not share that address…….
Considering the vast amount of passionless garbage made by the major studios just to make a buck, I am glad that there are still filmmakers who make films that they are passionate about.
Whatever your thoughts about Star Wars, or its fans, you can't deny that this film was a passion project. It definitely wasn't a cash grab. This is definitely the type of movie that requires you to have an investment in the subject matter, or an open mind to the subject matter, to make it worth the watch. If you enjoy mocking Star Wars fans this film isn't going to change your mind because you probably aren't open to viewing them in a positive light.
That being said you did admit that you weren't the write person to review this because of your own personal bias.
Whatever your thoughts about Star Wars, or its fans, you can't deny that this film was a passion project. It definitely wasn't a cash grab. This is definitely the type of movie that requires you to have an investment in the subject matter, or an open mind to the subject matter, to make it worth the watch. If you enjoy mocking Star Wars fans this film isn't going to change your mind because you probably aren't open to viewing them in a positive light.
That being said you did admit that you weren't the write person to review this because of your own personal bias.
Tim Levine wrote: No. What I'm saying is that if someone can remain relatively unbiased, intimate knowledge of something can give their opinion a lot more credibility. Opinions are neither right or wrong, but informed opinions generally tend to be better than uninformed opinions.
But this is what I'm getting at. Pete has seen all of the films, so how 'credible' does he have to be to offer an opinion? Does he need to dress up as a Stormtrooper at weekends? Spend thousands of dollars on merchandise? Where do you draw the line?
I really don't get it. Pete is a shining example of this documentary's target audience, so he's in the perfect position to offer an opinion. You don't even need to understand Star Wars to review this doc because it's not really about Star Wars, it's about fanaticism. The documentary could have been about anything (Lord of the Rings, Spider-Man, The Godfather, Indiana Jones) and the end result would have been the same.
But this is what I'm getting at. Pete has seen all of the films, so how 'credible' does he have to be to offer an opinion? Does he need to dress up as a Stormtrooper at weekends? Spend thousands of dollars on merchandise? Where do you draw the line?
I really don't get it. Pete is a shining example of this documentary's target audience, so he's in the perfect position to offer an opinion. You don't even need to understand Star Wars to review this doc because it's not really about Star Wars, it's about fanaticism. The documentary could have been about anything (Lord of the Rings, Spider-Man, The Godfather, Indiana Jones) and the end result would have been the same.
Theres only one way to settle this. Everyone line up your star wars figures, dust off your x-wings and prepare for battle.
A fan boy will have a different opinion than your standard movie fan. A fan boys review will be biased and usually viewed through a narrow point of view yet informed.I would happily have someone that is not a fan give a review.
The bottom line is that this is a DVD site. We shouldn't be having this debate to begin with because it shouldn't matter who reviews a film. A documentary is a documentary. They all use similar techniques to tell a story and should be analyzed without bias. As long as a fan can look at the film as a film itself and not as something to obsess over there shouldn't be a problem.Same goes for someone that is not a fan but continues to have a opinion as central and unbiased as Switzerland.
The bottom line is that this is a DVD site. We shouldn't be having this debate to begin with because it shouldn't matter who reviews a film. A documentary is a documentary. They all use similar techniques to tell a story and should be analyzed without bias. As long as a fan can look at the film as a film itself and not as something to obsess over there shouldn't be a problem.Same goes for someone that is not a fan but continues to have a opinion as central and unbiased as Switzerland.
Chris Gould wrote: It sounds like you are you saying that no one should have an opinion on anything unless they have intimate knowledge of it.
No. What I'm saying is that if someone can remain relatively unbiased, intimate knowledge of something can give their opinion a lot more credibility. Opinions are neither right or wrong, but informed opinions generally tend to be better than uninformed opinions.
Again, I'm guessing that it's not a good film, but hearing that from a Star Wars fan would probably make the review a lot more valuable to most of the folks who would be reading it.
No. What I'm saying is that if someone can remain relatively unbiased, intimate knowledge of something can give their opinion a lot more credibility. Opinions are neither right or wrong, but informed opinions generally tend to be better than uninformed opinions.
Again, I'm guessing that it's not a good film, but hearing that from a Star Wars fan would probably make the review a lot more valuable to most of the folks who would be reading it.
Exactly how would Pete being a fanatical Star Wars obsessive have improved this review? It may well have influenced him to give it a higher score, but then he'd probably have come in for criticism for being biased towards the subject matter. It sounds like you are you saying that no one should have an opinion on anything unless they have intimate knowledge of it.
I'm make no criticism of you whatsoever, Peter. You're just doing the job that was given you the best that you can.
My suspicion is that this is a probably a fairly lousy film. However, I feel that the review would have been infinitely more USEFUL for the potential buyers of the DVD if they would have heard that for someone in a better position to appreciate the subject matter.
My suspicion is that this is a probably a fairly lousy film. However, I feel that the review would have been infinitely more USEFUL for the potential buyers of the DVD if they would have heard that for someone in a better position to appreciate the subject matter.
Also if the 1982 in Wormser1982 is the year of his or (doubtfully) her birthday, then he's/she's unqualified to comment on SW as 'they weren't there man'. 'They weren't there in 77 so they don't know'. They didn't even have the decency to be born in time for Raiders. Yeah that's right RAIDERS not 'the Adventures of Indiana Jones part 38 or whatever it was re-badged as for the boxset.
Mmm. I appear to have gone a bit obsessed.
Mmm. I appear to have gone a bit obsessed.
Chris Gould wrote: I was down to review this until I got too busy and asked Peter to step in. I consider myself a fan, but I have to say that what little I saw of the documentary actually reinforced all of the negative stereotypes associated with Star Wars fans. Grown men running around Stormtrooper outfits. Guys with garages, houses, and even storage lockers full of Star Wars toys and paraphernalia. Yet more guys doing cosplay with home-made Boba Fett costumes. People taking the question 'which Star Wars character would you like to be stranded on a desert island with' just a little bit too seriously.
Don't get me wrong, I love the films and have written numerous articles on the DVDs for this site, but you wouldn't catch me running around dressed as Qui-Gon Jinn waving a Force FX lightsaber at the weekends.
Actually, that's the best answer in this whole thread.
Well put.
Don't get me wrong, I love the films and have written numerous articles on the DVDs for this site, but you wouldn't catch me running around dressed as Qui-Gon Jinn waving a Force FX lightsaber at the weekends.
Actually, that's the best answer in this whole thread.
Well put.
I think there are these fan obsessives in all walks of life. Personalities who can't draw a line and say 'okay, how far am I prepared to run with this and when is far far away 'too far?' It's obsessive compulsion that stops people taking control of their actions, be it drinking, taking drugs or spending more money than is reasonable on bits of plastic forever wrapped in it's original packaging. No, I'm not saying buying SW merchandise or being a rabid/costume wearing fan is as damaging as alchoholism but the same lack of self control and rational thought lies at the root of both.
I am a fan of the films. They, like for many people, were the reason for my interest in films growing up. I too had figures and toys and if you were to ask my family if they believed I thought of nothing but SW 24/7, answer would have been a definate yes. The diference is, I sold/got rid of those toys when I was 13 or 14 years old. The subjects of this documentary never did an in all probability increased their 'usage' at that age.
I too, can count myself as a fan of the films yet at the same time would steer well clear of this documentary. Even without reading this (honest) review, the title alone would tell me that I'd be watching it slack jawed at the banality of it all and with great concern for the mental well being of those involved.
George LUcas isn't this obsessed with SW. It's a business to him. The people who made the films (I'll wager) aren't as obsessed. I remember reading that Ewan McGregor on the set of TPM bemoaned the lack of somewhere to keep his fags in his Jedi robes. Is he obsessed about SW. Even when making it? It's a job. It's fun for kids but its a job and money making enterprise.
It's not a way of life or a religion.
But I respect those who choose to ..... ehhh you know the rest.
Live Long & Prosper.
I am a fan of the films. They, like for many people, were the reason for my interest in films growing up. I too had figures and toys and if you were to ask my family if they believed I thought of nothing but SW 24/7, answer would have been a definate yes. The diference is, I sold/got rid of those toys when I was 13 or 14 years old. The subjects of this documentary never did an in all probability increased their 'usage' at that age.
I too, can count myself as a fan of the films yet at the same time would steer well clear of this documentary. Even without reading this (honest) review, the title alone would tell me that I'd be watching it slack jawed at the banality of it all and with great concern for the mental well being of those involved.
George LUcas isn't this obsessed with SW. It's a business to him. The people who made the films (I'll wager) aren't as obsessed. I remember reading that Ewan McGregor on the set of TPM bemoaned the lack of somewhere to keep his fags in his Jedi robes. Is he obsessed about SW. Even when making it? It's a job. It's fun for kids but its a job and money making enterprise.
It's not a way of life or a religion.
But I respect those who choose to ..... ehhh you know the rest.
Live Long & Prosper.
OK, so I've read everyone's comments with interest and I thank you all for reading the review. I'm not surprised by the negative feelings but I can honestly say it wasn't written to provoke a big reaction.
Some points:
* The website for this DVD states : "The movie was created for both the fans AND the people that NEED to be educated about who the fans really are and why they are so passionate about the movies.".
I fit into the latter category as someone who enjoys (most of) the movies but isn't enthusiastic enough to explore the saga in other mediums. For that reason, it's a little unfair to say I'm unqualified to review this disc. Sure, I didn't enjoy reviewing it; but it seems to have been intentionally made for me as much as someone who has tons of spin-off merchandise.
In an ideal world, we would have a dedicated Star Wars fan's review. However, there seems to be plenty of people heaping praise on the documentary at http://theforceamongus.com/ , so I guess that balances things out slightly.
* In the summary, I state that, if you're a hardcore fan, this is the disc for you. I could have given it 10/10 and reviewed it from the bogus position of a dedicated fan, but that would be completely unfair to the readers. If you think I'm an ar**hole, if you think I've been unfair, then I implore you to go and buy the DVD and support this fan-made production. Chances are, that if you feel this strongly, the DVD IS for you. But it's not for me and other people who are not into Star Wars quite so much.
* This is not a Star Wars site. It's a DVD site.
Some points:
* The website for this DVD states : "The movie was created for both the fans AND the people that NEED to be educated about who the fans really are and why they are so passionate about the movies.".
I fit into the latter category as someone who enjoys (most of) the movies but isn't enthusiastic enough to explore the saga in other mediums. For that reason, it's a little unfair to say I'm unqualified to review this disc. Sure, I didn't enjoy reviewing it; but it seems to have been intentionally made for me as much as someone who has tons of spin-off merchandise.
In an ideal world, we would have a dedicated Star Wars fan's review. However, there seems to be plenty of people heaping praise on the documentary at http://theforceamongus.com/ , so I guess that balances things out slightly.
* In the summary, I state that, if you're a hardcore fan, this is the disc for you. I could have given it 10/10 and reviewed it from the bogus position of a dedicated fan, but that would be completely unfair to the readers. If you think I'm an ar**hole, if you think I've been unfair, then I implore you to go and buy the DVD and support this fan-made production. Chances are, that if you feel this strongly, the DVD IS for you. But it's not for me and other people who are not into Star Wars quite so much.
* This is not a Star Wars site. It's a DVD site.
Cheddar J. Cheese wrote: Like I said before, the fact that they didn't get it based on the film proves that it's not good.
I guess to me, that's kind of like saying if you didn't get "Return of the King" because you hadn't seen the other ones, then that proves that it's not good. Not a perfect comparison, but close. It illustrates the point that we live in an era where some art is built upon other art and experiences.
I guess to me, that's kind of like saying if you didn't get "Return of the King" because you hadn't seen the other ones, then that proves that it's not good. Not a perfect comparison, but close. It illustrates the point that we live in an era where some art is built upon other art and experiences.
Like I said before, the fact that they didn't get it based on the film proves that it's not good.
Every reason has been stated, so I'm not going to be a broken record...
Every reason has been stated, so I'm not going to be a broken record...
I guess I'd consider myself a fan of Star Wars. I have little interest in buying the DVD, but enough interest to read the review. I'm a fan of Star Wars but I really don't have much interest in the merchandising other than things that provide additions stories (i.e. I'm enough of a fan to tell you that the Timothy Zahn and Kevin J. Anderson novels were really good and that I really enjoy the John Ostrander comics). That being said , I'm perplexed at how reviews where the reviewer didn't enjoy something because he or she obviously didn't "get it" provide much value to anyone. It would be much more valuable in a decision making process about whether or not to buy something like this to read a review of someone who "got it" but still didn't like it.
I was down to review this until I got too busy and asked Peter to step in. I consider myself a fan, but I have to say that what little I saw of the documentary actually reinforced all of the negative stereotypes associated with Star Wars fans. Grown men running around Stormtrooper outfits. Guys with garages, houses, and even storage lockers full of Star Wars toys and paraphernalia. Yet more guys doing cosplay with home-made Boba Fett costumes. People taking the question 'which Star Wars character would you like to be stranded on a desert island with' just a little bit too seriously.
Don't get me wrong, I love the films and have written numerous articles on the DVDs for this site, but you wouldn't catch me running around dressed as Qui-Gon Jinn waving a Force FX lightsaber at the weekends.
Don't get me wrong, I love the films and have written numerous articles on the DVDs for this site, but you wouldn't catch me running around dressed as Qui-Gon Jinn waving a Force FX lightsaber at the weekends.
Actually, if you read the review, I think it gives a good overview of what's actually in there in terms of content, as well as objective criticism of it.
How about one of those Vs reviews where you get two people to review it?
Whilst a non-Star Wars fan is going to be more objective as to whether the video/sound/etc is up to scratch - not that I'm saying that the Star Wars Fan wouldn't be but they'd be more likely to be lenient given the content - a Star Wars fan can comment about whether the content of the dvd will offer Star Wars fans (who, like you said are the ones likely to buy this) anything new from the myriad of other stuff that is already out there.
Whilst a non-Star Wars fan is going to be more objective as to whether the video/sound/etc is up to scratch - not that I'm saying that the Star Wars Fan wouldn't be but they'd be more likely to be lenient given the content - a Star Wars fan can comment about whether the content of the dvd will offer Star Wars fans (who, like you said are the ones likely to buy this) anything new from the myriad of other stuff that is already out there.
I think the best person to review it is someone who ISN'T a Star Wars fan, as that person can look at the quality of the film a lot more objectively rather than sitting there thinking "yeah, Star Wars rocks... 9/10 for this documentary about all the people who think like me!!!" I'm sure that if you want to read reviews that give no consideration to the technical merits of the documentary by viewing it objectively, or for how the content is put across (and what the content is) then there are plenty of fan sites where you can read reviews like that.
I said it in the first post and I'll say it again, nice review, and well done for sitting through this one. :-D
I said it in the first post and I'll say it again, nice review, and well done for sitting through this one. :-D
Tim Levine wrote: Chris Gould wrote: I really don't get you guys saying that this disc should have been reviewed by a Star Wars fan. Isn't that preaching to the converted? If the aim of this documentary was to alter the perceptions of those who have a 'negative' opinion of Star Wars 'geeks', surely having someone who's not a die-hard fan review it is the ideal scenario. Or am I being too logical?
But logically, how many people are going to be reading the review who aren't Star Wars fans? Lofty philosophical and artistic ambitions aside, I'd agree that this probably should have been reviewed by someone in a better position to appreciate it because those people are mostly likely going to be the ones reading the review.
Not quite. As the Star Wars fans ARE going to buy the DVD anyway, they're not the most likely to read the review before buying it, or if they do, it will probably not change their decision to buy it or not.
The target of the review is the "occasional fan" or the person who's wondering what the fuss this Starwarsmania is all about, and who thinks that maybe a documentary is going to answer his/her questions or make him/her learn something about Star Wars.
I find this review much more interesting because the reviewer isn't a Star Wars fan.
But logically, how many people are going to be reading the review who aren't Star Wars fans? Lofty philosophical and artistic ambitions aside, I'd agree that this probably should have been reviewed by someone in a better position to appreciate it because those people are mostly likely going to be the ones reading the review.
Not quite. As the Star Wars fans ARE going to buy the DVD anyway, they're not the most likely to read the review before buying it, or if they do, it will probably not change their decision to buy it or not.
The target of the review is the "occasional fan" or the person who's wondering what the fuss this Starwarsmania is all about, and who thinks that maybe a documentary is going to answer his/her questions or make him/her learn something about Star Wars.
I find this review much more interesting because the reviewer isn't a Star Wars fan.
Chris Gould wrote: I really don't get you guys saying that this disc should have been reviewed by a Star Wars fan. Isn't that preaching to the converted? If the aim of this documentary was to alter the perceptions of those who have a 'negative' opinion of Star Wars 'geeks', surely having someone who's not a die-hard fan review it is the ideal scenario. Or am I being too logical?
But logically, how many people are going to be reading the review who aren't Star Wars fans? Lofty philosophical and artistic ambitions aside, I'd agree that this probably should have been reviewed by someone in a better position to appreciate it because those people are mostly likely going to be the ones reading the review.
But logically, how many people are going to be reading the review who aren't Star Wars fans? Lofty philosophical and artistic ambitions aside, I'd agree that this probably should have been reviewed by someone in a better position to appreciate it because those people are mostly likely going to be the ones reading the review.
I really don't get you guys saying that this disc should have been reviewed by a Star Wars fan. Isn't that preaching to the converted? If the aim of this documentary was to alter the perceptions of those who have a 'negative' opinion of Star Wars 'geeks', surely having someone who's not a die-hard fan review it is the ideal scenario. Or am I being too logical?
MDH wrote: I always get a kick out of people who slam the merchandising of Star Wars, as if it's such a crime to make money if people are willing to give you it. It underscores the fact that many who bash Star Wars are just uncomfortable about someone else having such huge success while they still probably live in their parents basement.
I guess I pushed a button...
You have your opinion and I have my own. No need for confrontational drivel. This is not IMDB, we use adult speak here and write with respect MDH.
I guess I pushed a button...
You have your opinion and I have my own. No need for confrontational drivel. This is not IMDB, we use adult speak here and write with respect MDH.
Bouncy X wrote: you have people who find this kinda obsessiveness weird, freaky or pathetic....and in some cases they even put down the "geeks" for what they're into...but then some of these people are just as obsessed and sometimes moreso when it comes to sports or cars or both...i mean they laugh at "geeks" for knowing all these details about shows and movie and then those same people know just as much about certain teams and the players and their histories...i mean whats the difference? isnt that just being a hypocrite? lol
Yes, yes it is. Unfortunately, no matter how you try to explain it to them, they never quite seem to grasp it. Not implying that they can't grasp it, just that they don't want to.
I didn't find anything particularly "offensive" about the review, don't know why it's getting so much heat for poking fun at fans... I thought it was better that this wasn't reviewed by a huge Star Wars fan, because if this wasn't a bad doc, then it would show, like, it would've proven itself.
Yes, yes it is. Unfortunately, no matter how you try to explain it to them, they never quite seem to grasp it. Not implying that they can't grasp it, just that they don't want to.
I didn't find anything particularly "offensive" about the review, don't know why it's getting so much heat for poking fun at fans... I thought it was better that this wasn't reviewed by a huge Star Wars fan, because if this wasn't a bad doc, then it would show, like, it would've proven itself.
first off, this isnt against or aimed at the reviewer or anything, he just shared his opinion and thats that...no harm...but you know what i find funny in this whole "obsessive fan" debate thing?
you have people who find this kinda obsessiveness weird, freaky or pathetic....and in some cases they even put down the "geeks" for what they're into...but then some of these people are just as obsessed and sometimes moreso when it comes to sports or cars or both...i mean they laugh at "geeks" for knowing all these details about shows and movie and then those same people know just as much about certain teams and the players and their histories...i mean whats the difference? isnt that just being a hypocrite? lol
anyway this movie seems like star wars fans thinking "hey those firefly/serenity fans made their own doc about the fandom....we should make one too" lol
i realize Trekkies came first but that was a professional made one...im talking about amateurs here..lol
you have people who find this kinda obsessiveness weird, freaky or pathetic....and in some cases they even put down the "geeks" for what they're into...but then some of these people are just as obsessed and sometimes moreso when it comes to sports or cars or both...i mean they laugh at "geeks" for knowing all these details about shows and movie and then those same people know just as much about certain teams and the players and their histories...i mean whats the difference? isnt that just being a hypocrite? lol
anyway this movie seems like star wars fans thinking "hey those firefly/serenity fans made their own doc about the fandom....we should make one too" lol
i realize Trekkies came first but that was a professional made one...im talking about amateurs here..lol
Nice debate, ending in true style "banning". People have turned to the Dark Side. Woohoo.
Still, I think, stuff like this should be reviewed by someone who likes Star Wars. It doesn't have to be a major fan though. But someone who is closer to the target audience for this dvd. Makes for a better review for the readers who have maybe a slight interest in buying this.
But then again, you guys do whatever you want. This one review won't put me off checking out the site's updates every day ;-) .
Still, I think, stuff like this should be reviewed by someone who likes Star Wars. It doesn't have to be a major fan though. But someone who is closer to the target audience for this dvd. Makes for a better review for the readers who have maybe a slight interest in buying this.
But then again, you guys do whatever you want. This one review won't put me off checking out the site's updates every day ;-) .
no matter how pissed i was with "Phantom"... i just can't, no i REFUSE to say it was worse then "Clones"... the Yoda fight was cool and all (but it's splendor was totally toppled by the fight from "Sith"
Well I love the original movies in there original forms. I have to agree that the first two movies "Phantom" & "Clones" were garbage
Firstly, the producers of the DVD gave Pete the 'right' when they asked us to review the disc. Peter is giving his opinion, which is just as valid as anyone else's (go look up subjectivity). Joining this site to have a hissy fit at someone because they dared to poke fun at Star Wars does nothing more than enforce the 'rabid, obsessive fanatics' stereotype that this documentary was trying to disprove. Way to go, dumbass. Oh, and you're banned for insulting a contributor.
BTW, I'm sure that rant didn't have anything to do with your name turning up in the credits.
BTW, I'm sure that rant didn't have anything to do with your name turning up in the credits.
first off, who the hell are you to pity someone for spending alot of money on a hobby? I pity this website for letting moronic unqualified retards review something they know nothing about. I'm not the biggest star wars fan in the world, and yes, I dont understand some fans at somtimes, but so what? What gives you the right to judge anyone? So if you dont like it, it must be stupid than huh? To each his own! If you dont like dressing up or spending alot of money on merch or even getting star wars tattoos,then dont. But dont put people down who do just cause you dont! I love star wars. I, 1. dont live in my parents basement. 2. Have a girlfriend of 4 years. 3. am not fat. and 4. Am not in a dead end job. If you watched the film, you will see from MUCH smarter DOCTORS AND PROFESSORS that these are untrue stereotypes! And what the F#*k do you meen "narrow fan base"? you really are stupid if you think there is a narrow fan base to star wars. Where did they find this peter martin guy?
I'm sure many would wish it were just a joke but it was more a statement of fact and is usually consistent with the kind of mindset obsessed with b***hing about Lucas and Star Wars, especially when dwelling on the fact that it makes so much money. Add overweight, girlfriend-less, holding a dead-end job, and I'd be willing to bet the average embittered fanboy meets at least 3 out of 4 of those characteristics.
So the Star Wars version of "Trekkies"?
I like watching these, because it reminds me that, while people claim I'm obsessed with these things, I'm really not when compared to these people. I just like the movies a lot, sue me.
The idea seems to be overdone. Trekkies, Trekkies 2, I'm not surprised that this didn't fare well.
MDH wrote: It underscores the fact that many who bash Star Wars are just uncomfortable about someone else having such huge success while they still probably live in their parents basement.
Wow, a parents' basement joke... You must be really proud of yourself...
I like watching these, because it reminds me that, while people claim I'm obsessed with these things, I'm really not when compared to these people. I just like the movies a lot, sue me.
The idea seems to be overdone. Trekkies, Trekkies 2, I'm not surprised that this didn't fare well.
MDH wrote: It underscores the fact that many who bash Star Wars are just uncomfortable about someone else having such huge success while they still probably live in their parents basement.
Wow, a parents' basement joke... You must be really proud of yourself...
I always get a kick out of people who slam the merchandising of Star Wars, as if it's such a crime to make money if people are willing to give you it. It underscores the fact that many who bash Star Wars are just uncomfortable about someone else having such huge success while they still probably live in their parents basement.
Aren't there a few documentaries on Star Wars and it's fans? Seems like someone makes a new one every couple of years or so. I am over the never ending merchandise campaign that is Star Wars.
Nice review, and congratulations for sitting through it. Even if this had been a surprisingly well-made film, it's still something I'd have rolled my eyes at when seeing it in a shop.
Just a thought, you mentioned laughing at people who spend thousands on their obsessions, but if we take into account the hardware as well as the discs themselves, don't one or two people on this site fall into that category? It's fair enough to laugh at such things, and I'm probably guilty enough of spending far more than I should on films too.
Just a thought, you mentioned laughing at people who spend thousands on their obsessions, but if we take into account the hardware as well as the discs themselves, don't one or two people on this site fall into that category? It's fair enough to laugh at such things, and I'm probably guilty enough of spending far more than I should on films too.
Disc Details
Release Date:
2nd November 2007
Discs:
1
Disc Type:
Single side, dual layer
RCE:
No
Video:
PAL
Aspect:
1.33:1
Anamorphic:
No
Colour:
Yes
Audio:
Dolby DIgital 2.0 English
Subtitles:
No
Extras:
Director's Commentary, Extended Interviews, Location footage, Photo Galleries
Easter Egg:
No
Feature Details
Director:
Cristian and Courtney Macht
Cast:
John Tenuto, Ken Gates, Dick Staub, Dan Madsen, Mark Dermul, Dustin Roberts and many, many more
Genre:
Documentary
Length:
86 minutes
Ratings
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