X-Men Origins: Wolverine (US - BD)
Gabe gives his belated thoughts on the Blu-ray disc that came over a week late
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Bryan Singer’s second X-Men film is still my personal favourite superhero movie. It features a tight script, that was tastefully adapted from a popular comic book tale without losing its own sense of voice and image. The acting was top shelf, and the characters were comic book inspired without coming off as too broad. The action and special effects never overtook the story, but served it, and cinematically speaking Singer balanced the pulpy, comedic, melodramatic and allegorical elements, while maintaining an original style. Perhaps even more importantly Singer and company left the door wide open for an even more effective sequel. Unfortunately that sequel was the victim of studio politics, Singer’s own disappearance, and a producing staff that thought only in terms of making money. Brett Ratner’s X-Men 3: The Last Stand featured short doses of worthiness, but the film’s second half was a mess of incoherent action that threw out all the promise of the speedy, but well told first half. The fact that there was some value to the final product made the final disappointment that much more frustrating, but it set the bar for Fox’s next X-Men film—the origin story of the most popular mutant, Wolverine.

Like Ratner’s film, Gavin Hood’s X-Men Origins: Wolverine features a few shining nuggets of goodness, and most of them occur during the beginning of the story. The credit sequence is a golden example of what can be done with the practically immortal character, but ends up simply teasing the audience with the glory of possibility. We aren’t allowed to see Wolverine and Sabretooth fighting in any major wars for more than a few fleeting seconds. Then we’re introduced to the Weapon X squad, but again this is just a tease, as the team is separated before the end of the act. Despite the stupidly ill-defined super powers, and some lamely staged action (forward facing running back flip, eh?), the squad is filled out with charming actors, who bounce off each other with the film’s best dialogue. Thusly, the first fifteen or so minutes contain the three or four movies I’d rather see (even if they’re mostly taken from other movies, specifically Saving Private Ryan, Full Metal Jacket, Casualties of War, etc). Instead we’re given another fifteen to twenty minutes of minor soap opera antics concerning star-crossed lovers, jealous siblings, and a shadowy government program. It’s not exactly soul food, but I suppose it’ll do in a pinch and it more than simply in-keeping with the character’s historical lineage—it’s pretty much verbatim to the comic origin story.

But then the movie keeps going… and it keeps going with Wolverine’s memory intact. It’s not that Wolverine leaving Weapon X without losing his memory is a total affront to either the traditional or movie version of the character, but with the memories intact the rest of the plot turns into another boring journey to vengeance, and it leads to a joke of an ending that became an internet meme. The last half and a bit of the film serves better as an ad for the Wolverine video game (Blob, Gambit, and Deadpool are such obvious boss battles), and as an ad for the next X-Men prequel (called X-Men: First Class last I heard). This latter half is packed with plot holes, continuity issues, and lapses in simple logic, most of which are brought about by the presence of other plot holes, continuity issues, and lapses in simple logic. To explain one plot hole the script creates another, and the process continues through to the wet thud finale. This is most disappointing because apparently the original script was written by none other than David Benoiff ( The 25th Hour and The Kite Runner), who knows how to tell a coherent story. One can only assume (hope?) that Hitman and G.I. Joe writer Skip Woods’ rewrites, along with those of all the other rumoured ghost writers, were the problem, as a constant loss of plot thread seems below the celebrated novelist.

I usually don’t really care about special effects quality (I tend to think even the most obvious effect is only as weak as the plot that surrounds it), but some of the digital augmentations in Wolverine are so badly rendered even I was entirely dragged out of the moment. The digital doubles and wire work fighting feature a distinct lack of natural physics, the CG claws somehow look worse than the ones in the 2000 movie, and all the digital vehicles (of which there are many) look like they haven’t finished rendering. The set design is pretty enough, but also usually pulls the audience out of Hood’s supposedly intended gritty realism. The New Orleans back alley is particularly stage-like. One almost expects Jackman to serenade Gambit with ‘Maria’ from West Side Story. In-keeping with these more petty complaints, much of the production design is dully similar to the other X-Men films. I love the look of the first two films, but I don’t understand the point of an award winning arthouse director like Hood picking up on these visuals, especially when the screenwriters aren’t bothered to line the film up narratively with the other films. Mostly Hood doesn’t seem all that comfortable working in Singer’s sandbox either. The credit and carnival sequences are clearly the strongest scenes of the entire film, visually speaking, and the only bits that don’t look like carbon copies of Singer’s films, besides the Gambit scene, I suppose, which is colourful, but as previously stated, not even a little realistic.

And speaking of Singer’s films and stylistic choices— Wolverine might be the biggest aesthetic failure in prequel film history. We aren’t given too many specific dates after the credit sequence rolls, but the Three Mile Island incident occurred in 1979, and the last major marker we’re given is the Vietnam War, which was finished in 1975. This logically places the film sometime before 1980. The closest the post-war scenes get to even attempting historical accuracy is the interface control of Deadpool (which is then displayed on a modern LCD, 16x9 monitor). Historical accuracy obviously doesn’t have a huge bearing on the quality of a science fiction film, but again, Hood had expressed an interest in placing the story in the confines of a gritty reality, so based on his goals as a filmmaker he has failed. Then there’s the matter of continuity between this prequel story and the original three X-Men films. Often it seems continuity is the last thing on anyone’s mind, opting instead to something closer to an utter reboot with only Jackman and a putty-faced Patrick Stewart as constant elements. This would be fine, perhaps even preferable given the sad turn out of the third film and Hood’s misuse of Singer’s style, but no one is willing to stick to any of the changes (outside of Sabretooth, apparently), and the already meandering plot takes several back steps to clear out the slate once more. The film ends somewhere between awkward, coincidental accuracy, and blatant changes to the facts presented in the other films (bone claws being a chief offender).

Unfortunately for the readers in search of some kind of enlightened review my largest complaints are of the total nerd variety, and have less to do with the movie than the treatment of the characters. A few of the character changes work. Liev Schreiber’s Sabretooth doesn’t even kind of match the version that appeared in the first X-Men, but is far more interesting, and quite possibly the best thing in the entire film. Kevin Durand’s Blob is also solid case of comic to film adaptation, and the one case were the film actually improves on the source character. I also have no complaints concerning Taylor Kitsch version of Gambit, besides the fact that he doesn’t add anything to the story besides another character in a destructively overstuffed film. These compliments are just as largely due to the actors’ performances, which are the film’s strongest element, but the whole cast doesn’t make out perfectly thanks to some very bad writing choices.
Most fans were the most upset about the treatment of Deadpool. The character is so blatantly mishandled I’m forced to wonder if the choices made weren’t part of some cruel joke at the expense of fans. Why hire the perfect actor to play the ‘Merc with the Mouth’ if you’re literally going to take his mouth away from him in his second of two appearances? The solo Deadpool spin-off movie doesn’t appear to be in very good shape, but I wonder how the filmmaker’s were planning on dealing with the fact that the character (who survives the film) was going to even sort of resemble his comic book counterpart with so many new powers. Still, I hadn’t read enough Deadpool comics to care about the character all that much, so my big fan moan pertains to the treatment of Emma Frost, who is a personal favourite thanks to her treatment in Grant Morrison’s New X-Men run. The filmmakers chose to utilize the Morrison additions to the character, but without any of the thematic weight that came with them. She’s only interesting as a good guy because she was a bad guy for so long, and the use of her diamond power (which in the comic universe is a secondary mutation) leads me to believe her mental powers will be ignored in future instalments. I understand it’s just a cameo, but it doesn’t instil a whole lot of faith for future adaptations. And then there’s ‘Wraith’, the worthless character that was created specifically for Will.i.am. He’s not based on an actual character, besides the fact that he can teleport, which was apparently the actor’s choice, not the screenwriters. ( Edit: apparently I'm wrong, and there was a character better known as Kestrel that Wraith is based on. Thanks yesiamaplant.) This is the textbook sample of what is wrong with all non- X2 Fox genre films—instead of developing a script around a story the filmmakers have based it around vague star casting choices, and the hope of spin-off films.

Video
X-Men Origins: Wolverine comes to Blu-ray with some obvious expectations. The transfer looks likely exactly as intended by the filmmakers. I’ve got very little negative to say concerning this 1080p, 2.35:1 transfer. I’d call it a reference level stuff, but the film itself isn’t visually interesting enough to do so. There is a fair amount of fine grain, but it’s finer and less obvious than the similar grain found in Fox’s recent Dragonball: Evolution release. The bad effects fair especially badly in hi-def, even worse than they did on the big screen. The claws are the big failure. They look like they’ve been added via traditional hand animation, like something out of Roger Rabbit. The digital backdrops don’t fair much better, but at least afford the transfer some nice bright colours, which are mostly missing from the mix of deep dark browns and steel blues. The real-life details look great, and are relatively consistent, though some of the widest wide-shots are lost in the grain if not brightly lit. The veins in Blob’s neck fat are a particularly revolting bit of detail that would likely be smoothed on a less effective transfer. Sometimes hard edges are cut inconsistently, but there’s rarely any additional noise placed on these edges, and compression artefacts are an extremely minor issue in a few instances.
Audio
This DTS-HD soundtrack also features nothing in the way of surprises. It’s big and loud, and big and loud. Again, there isn’t a lot for me to write about here. The sound designers aren’t as imaginative as the sound designers on many other big budget special effects movies (and Nightcrawler’s warp effect beats the crap out of Wraith’s), but they score a few points for some of the Gambit stuff, like the machine gun effects on his card tricks (Emma Frost’s diamond sound effect is strangely missing from some of her transformations). Mostly we’re privy a lot of big banging explosions, revving engines, clanging metal claws, and really bassy punches. The surround channels are active throughout the mix, and the directional effects are at their best during the motorcycle vs. helicopter scene, and when Wade Wilson is deflecting bullets with his dual katana blades. Harry Gregson-Williams’ score gets the job done, but it lacks the punch of John Ottman’s X2 score, and besides a few ace themes, mostly works as traditional and uninteresting underscore. It doesn’t help that the score is often pushed so low on the track during the action scenes. The titles are the best samples of the music on the track, and are warm, full, and bassy.

Extras
The surprisingly limited special features begin with duelling commentaries. The first track features director Gavin Hood, and it’s full of tragedy. Hood is an obviously intelligent guy, and though he’s a bit on the pretentious side (not to mention the fact that he has a horrible habit of narrating what occurs on screen) he obviously had some good ideas going into the film. There are dozens of stories concerning Hood’s behind the scenes mistreatment, and every fan knows by now how diseased the Fox studio brass is concerning genre work, so the director was given the benefit of the doubt in most geek circles. On the one hand this track increases our opinion of Hood as a smart guy, but there are a few bits that might steer us in the other direction. The most telling moment comes very early in the track, where Hood announces that the incredible credit sequence was shot almost entirely second unit. Perhaps those of us running to Hood’s defence were wrong in our assumptions. The second track features producers Lauren Shuler Donner and Ralph Winter. This track is more fact-a-minute based, and less personal, but also interesting in piecing the puzzle of who is to blame for this bad movie. There are moments Donner and Winter talk about certain scenes as if Hood wasn’t even on set, and the overall tone seems to say this was their film, not the director’s. It’s too bad no one will be one hundred percent honest until several years down the line.

There are four PiP ‘Bonus View’ options: ‘X-Connect’, ‘The Director’s Chair’, ‘Pre-Visualizing Wolverine’ and ‘X-Facts’. I’m sorry to again announce that I can’t work most of this stuff on my Profile 1.0 player (I almost upgraded, but then my set broke, and I had to spend my valuable money on that instead). The ‘X-Facts’ pop-ups worked, but that was it. As far as trivia tracks go these were actually some of the better I’ve seen, and cover aspects of the comics that the director and producers don’t go into at all during their commentary tracks.
‘The Roots of Wolverine: A Conversation with Stan Lee and Len Wein’ (16:20, HD) features the character’s co-creator and X-Men creator waxing about the Canadian superhero. Lee hits the nail right on the damn head by telling Wein his genius was in not revealing all of Wolverine’s back-story, and that the mystery was what kept readers interested. It’s a fine little conversation, but it doesn’t match the wonderful little documentaries that usually come along with Marvel movie DVDs and Blu-rays. Two guy’s talking doesn’t quite match a historical journey, complete with the varying artistic renditions of the characters, and interviews with the most important contributors. Lee and Win talk about Chris Claremont but the guy doesn’t get a chance to talk for himself.

‘Wolverine Unleashed: The Complete Origin’ (12:05, HD) is a general making of featurette on the film covering things from early inception and story choices, Jackman’s physical preparation (boring), bone-claw make-up, and some of the digital effects. Tonally it’s more of an EPK than an informative piece, as everyone sees fit to lick Jackman’s jackboots rather than really talk about the process of filmmaking. It’s followed by the ‘Weapon X Mutant Files’ (54:00, HD), ten featurettes about the specific characters that overpopulate the film, including Sabretooth, Stryker, John Wraith, Kayla Silverfox, Blob, Bradley, Gambit, Agent Zero, Deadpool, and Emma Frost. These bits are concerned mostly only with the movie versions of the characters, so once again we miss out on a documentarian’s look at these characters, but all in all these little bits are possibly the best part of the extras section, occasionally including quite a bit of special effects information. ‘The Thrill of the Chase’ (06:00, HD) covers the filming and post-production tinkerings of the dumbass helicopter scene, which probably cost enough money to feed every starving orphan in America for a year.
This brings us to the over-advertised deleted and alternate scenes. There are four scenes total, all with optional commentary from Hood. The first scene features a brief cameo from a young version of Storm. It’s a totally pointless bit of fan-baiting, and it’s better left out of the film. The second scene features Sabretooth forcing info out of Blob concerning Wolverine. The third was toted as an alternate mind-wiping scene leading most of us to believe that the stupid amnesia bullet was not part of the original plot. In reality Logan chooses to have his mind wiped, but stops the process to save Silverfox from Sabretooth (this is why Logan's red shirt disappears between shots in the theatrical version), and the rest of the movie would’ve gone on as originally shot. The last is one of the two post-credit additions the filmmakers tossed onto various prints after the film was leaked over the internet. The disc is completed with footage from the film’s world premiere original shown on the Fox Movie Channel (06:30, SD), and some Fox Blu-ray ads.

Overall
I’ll end this with a little grab bag of questions I have concerning the film’s extremely holey plot. I didn’t have room for in my actual review, which is too long already.
- Why does Gambit crawl onto a roof a block away from a Wolverine and Sabretooth to attack them?
- Why doesn’t Stryker give the amnesia bullet to the guy who’s mutant power is the ability to shoot guns really well?
- Where does Deadpool put his arm-blades when they aren’t extended?
- Why doesn’t a guy with a superhuman sense of smell, sight and hearing not notice that his girlfriend isn’t only alive, but not full of holes?
And just for the hell of it, I’ll add one more cry-baby fan-boy whiny nit-pick: Scott Summers does not have heat vision or laser eyes, he shoots optic blasts. The other X-Men movies ‘accurately’ portrayed this particular fake science—Cyclops’ eye beams act as a force, not a heated laser beam. In this movie the optic blasts cut through things with heat, creating more surgical cuts, and leaving behind hot coals. On his commentary track hood tells us that Deadpool does have an adamantium skeleton, and that Wolverine was able to cut his head off because his claws were heated. This demands the audience a) doesn’t notice that there are huge gaps between the claws from which the beam could break through, and b) doesn’t remember that the first three X-Men films presented the optic blasts as impact based. The average audience wouldn't be required to know that optic blasts wouldn’t heat the metal any more than a sudden gust of air would, but according to the character lore supported by the other films, it wouldn't. Also, hot metal wouldn’t actually cut through an equally strong metal, it would be bend against it. This is how blacksmithing works. Anyway, the Blu-ray looks and sounds great, and the extras are good enough, especially for those who have PiP capabilities, but the movie is just as frustrating as it was the first time around.
* Note: The images on this page are not representative of the Blu-ray release.
Review by Gabriel Powers
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One of the biggest missed oppotunities of all time and on so many levels. Seriously, after how this outing was treated does anyone really care about the next installment? This franchise is over. Leave it 5-10 years and do a re-boot. The X-men deserve so much more.
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The X-men deserve their original costumes back lol. This film was daft.
The next one would be the Magneto movie, right?
This was a huge disappointment, I agree. I think X3 was a lot better than this though, and I thought it was pretty good in general, but then again, I've never read the comics.
This was a huge disappointment, I agree. I think X3 was a lot better than this though, and I thought it was pretty good in general, but then again, I've never read the comics.
Right behind ya. X2 is still my favorite comic book movie (although I'd agree it's probably not the best there is), but I'm decidedly more bitter about how Fox butchered the franchise than you seem to be. This was just another nail in the coffin.
If only the rights would revert back to Marvel so they could do their own thing. Dammit.
Oh! And could someone PLEASE tell me why Wolverine is so mad at the sky?
If only the rights would revert back to Marvel so they could do their own thing. Dammit.
Oh! And could someone PLEASE tell me why Wolverine is so mad at the sky?
Bad movie. I was shocked considering all the bad blood between Hood and Fox, I would've expected something better. But... no. Very disappointing, and Fox and the X-Men producers need to stop making movies unless they can stop interfering with the filmmakers' visions.
But I highly, highly disagree that "X2" is the best comic-book movie out there. "X2" was well cut-together, had some GREAT scenes and a fine story but something about it is just lacking. It just doesn't have that punchy, punch-to-the-gut feeling last year's biggest hit was or that pure sense of fun "Spider-Man 2" had.
But I highly, highly disagree that "X2" is the best comic-book movie out there. "X2" was well cut-together, had some GREAT scenes and a fine story but something about it is just lacking. It just doesn't have that punchy, punch-to-the-gut feeling last year's biggest hit was or that pure sense of fun "Spider-Man 2" had.
Good review. Saw the workprint and didn't bother with it in the theater. Got it to be a completist, since I already had the Trilogy Blu-ray set. The finished product turned out better, but not by leaps and bounds. The deleted scenes with young Oro Munroe and the Japanese Bar scene were cool to see.....
mc_serenity wrote:
But I highly, highly disagree that "X2" is the best comic-book movie out there. "X2" was well cut-together, had some GREAT scenes and a fine story but something about it is just lacking...
Who said it was the best? Gabe and I both said it was our "favorite" superhero flick, which is not the same as saying it's the best.
Ebert has gone on record saying that Citizen Kane is the best movie of all time, but Casablanca is probably his favorite. Same concept.
But I highly, highly disagree that "X2" is the best comic-book movie out there. "X2" was well cut-together, had some GREAT scenes and a fine story but something about it is just lacking...
Who said it was the best? Gabe and I both said it was our "favorite" superhero flick, which is not the same as saying it's the best.
Ebert has gone on record saying that Citizen Kane is the best movie of all time, but Casablanca is probably his favorite. Same concept.
I thought this film presented a much better Sabertooth, who is more interesting and being Logan's brother adds more to the mix. The science and plot innacuracies didn't bother me. The film was a fun ride, too much fan seriousness surrounds these comics to films in my opinion.
I was never a comicbook reader so I am not emotionally connected to these stories. I thought Liev and Hugh kicked ass in the film and yes there were technical and story shortcomings, but they (Hugh/Liev) carry the film through all that. Jackman is the reason X1 was interesting, were it not for him that would have been a borefest. X2 was much better, but I think folks seem to forget X1, though a hit, was not a huge hit and watching many years later isn't as prestine as it once may have seemed. I would say X2, Spiderman 2 and Dark Knight show that second acts can be much better than the first acts. I would say all three of those rank the same for me as being the best comic to film adaptations (though The Crow would have to rank above all of them).
With X-Men Origin: Wolverine, definitely nothing here to slit your wrists over though, it entertained and that is all I wanted.
I will agree that the extras are shamefully sparse. As mentioned by Gabe, they (Marvel) usually do a fantastic job presenting origin documentaries for their films. This go around we are given a little, but by and large not the ample serving we have come to expect.
I was never a comicbook reader so I am not emotionally connected to these stories. I thought Liev and Hugh kicked ass in the film and yes there were technical and story shortcomings, but they (Hugh/Liev) carry the film through all that. Jackman is the reason X1 was interesting, were it not for him that would have been a borefest. X2 was much better, but I think folks seem to forget X1, though a hit, was not a huge hit and watching many years later isn't as prestine as it once may have seemed. I would say X2, Spiderman 2 and Dark Knight show that second acts can be much better than the first acts. I would say all three of those rank the same for me as being the best comic to film adaptations (though The Crow would have to rank above all of them).
With X-Men Origin: Wolverine, definitely nothing here to slit your wrists over though, it entertained and that is all I wanted.
I will agree that the extras are shamefully sparse. As mentioned by Gabe, they (Marvel) usually do a fantastic job presenting origin documentaries for their films. This go around we are given a little, but by and large not the ample serving we have come to expect.
Jersey Jedi wrote:
Who said it was the best? Gabe and I both said it was our "favorite" superhero flick, which is not the same as saying it's the best.
I know. I was just putting my opinion out there, although I'm mindboggled a lot of people would rather watch "Wolverine" again than "X3."
"Wolverine" is just the nail in the coffin for the franchise (IMO)... for a movie that was made for $150 million, it looked it was made for half that price. That's a criticism, not a complement for Fox's case.
Who said it was the best? Gabe and I both said it was our "favorite" superhero flick, which is not the same as saying it's the best.
I know. I was just putting my opinion out there, although I'm mindboggled a lot of people would rather watch "Wolverine" again than "X3."
"Wolverine" is just the nail in the coffin for the franchise (IMO)... for a movie that was made for $150 million, it looked it was made for half that price. That's a criticism, not a complement for Fox's case.
LLcruize wrote: I would say all three of those rank the same for me as being the best comic to film adaptations (though The Crow would have to rank above all)
I will agree that the extras are shamefully sparse. As mentioned by Gabe, they (Marvel) usually do a fantastic job presenting origin documentaries for their films. This go around we are given a little, but by and large not the ample serving we have come to expect.
first off, nice to see someone with awesome taste.
The Crow does indeed rock and i cant wait til it hits blu-ray, hopefully it'll have new cool extras as well.
second off, i too was shocked at the lack of extras. this movie was a big hit so i'm not sure why they squandered it. i mean as much as i like Daredevil, it was pretty much panned by most and didnt make much money. BUT..it received a 2 disc special editions with hours of extras, full on documentaries and all...plus it even eventually got a director's cut. So why Wolverine didnt get equal or better treatment i dont know.
probably a double dip in the future coming. lol
I will agree that the extras are shamefully sparse. As mentioned by Gabe, they (Marvel) usually do a fantastic job presenting origin documentaries for their films. This go around we are given a little, but by and large not the ample serving we have come to expect.
first off, nice to see someone with awesome taste.
second off, i too was shocked at the lack of extras. this movie was a big hit so i'm not sure why they squandered it. i mean as much as i like Daredevil, it was pretty much panned by most and didnt make much money. BUT..it received a 2 disc special editions with hours of extras, full on documentaries and all...plus it even eventually got a director's cut. So why Wolverine didnt get equal or better treatment i dont know.
probably a double dip in the future coming. lol
I have this saved on my Netflix.
It was so over-hyped with fanfare the movie was a disaster.
m@tt wrote: The X-men deserve their original costumes back lol. This film was daft.
You laugh, but I honestly think X-Men need the brighter costumes. Silk Spectre proved it workable in Watchmen I think.
You laugh, but I honestly think X-Men need the brighter costumes. Silk Spectre proved it workable in Watchmen I think.
the only thing that disappointed me was that now i have to wait for a future sequel to find out how and why Logan's hair became that famous 'do from the comics and X-Men movies.
Disciple wrote: The next one would be the Magneto movie, right?
This was a huge disappointment, I agree. I think X3 was a lot better than this though, and I thought it was pretty good in general, but then again, I've never read the comics.
There are quite a few spin-offs in the canon right now. Magneto is one of them, but Deadpool is getting his own movie and they are moving forward with a Wolverine sequel. And as Gabe said, X-Men: First Class is in final script stages as well.
X2 is the best X flick and I don't think it'll ever be topped. This one had its moments, but they were few and far in-between. Liev was definitely the best thing about this movie. He stole every scene he was in, and in that screen-cap, you can tell he's enjoying himself.
I am a completist, but I'm breaking that in this case. I own the Blu trilogy, but I have no plans to acquire, let alone watch this one again.
This was a huge disappointment, I agree. I think X3 was a lot better than this though, and I thought it was pretty good in general, but then again, I've never read the comics.
There are quite a few spin-offs in the canon right now. Magneto is one of them, but Deadpool is getting his own movie and they are moving forward with a Wolverine sequel. And as Gabe said, X-Men: First Class is in final script stages as well.
X2 is the best X flick and I don't think it'll ever be topped. This one had its moments, but they were few and far in-between. Liev was definitely the best thing about this movie. He stole every scene he was in, and in that screen-cap, you can tell he's enjoying himself.
I am a completist, but I'm breaking that in this case. I own the Blu trilogy, but I have no plans to acquire, let alone watch this one again.
Both Magneto and Deadpool aren't looking good for production right now. Magneto has a lack of interest, and Ryan Renolds just signed on to play The Green Lantern.
Kyle Mertes wrote:
but Deadpool is getting his own movie
I just don't see that making it to principal production. First off, Ryan Reynolds has a much better prospect with his Hal Jordan role for "Green Lantern" (which starts shooting next March). Reynolds was ultimately wasted in "Wolverine" as Wade, and if Tom Rothman again micromanages this spinoff like he did for X1, X3 and "Wolverine" -- expect another disappointment.
The only way the Deadpool spinoff will end up to both Reynolds' liking and the general audiences' is that there will be a director who can keep within budget and who Fox respects, like Steven Spielberg or James Cameron.
but Deadpool is getting his own movie
I just don't see that making it to principal production. First off, Ryan Reynolds has a much better prospect with his Hal Jordan role for "Green Lantern" (which starts shooting next March). Reynolds was ultimately wasted in "Wolverine" as Wade, and if Tom Rothman again micromanages this spinoff like he did for X1, X3 and "Wolverine" -- expect another disappointment.
The only way the Deadpool spinoff will end up to both Reynolds' liking and the general audiences' is that there will be a director who can keep within budget and who Fox respects, like Steven Spielberg or James Cameron.
Marcus1138 wrote: m@tt wrote: The X-men deserve their original costumes back lol. This film was daft.
You laugh, but I honestly think X-Men need the brighter costumes. Silk Spectre proved it workable in Watchmen I think.
Your absolutley right, the costumes play a very important role in the comic book world and it was a bad move on Singers part not to go with the original costumes, i hated it when Hugh Jackman said what was you expecting yellow spandex? we'll yes quite frankly. I think the colours of supermans costume looked dull aswell.
You laugh, but I honestly think X-Men need the brighter costumes. Silk Spectre proved it workable in Watchmen I think.
Your absolutley right, the costumes play a very important role in the comic book world and it was a bad move on Singers part not to go with the original costumes, i hated it when Hugh Jackman said what was you expecting yellow spandex? we'll yes quite frankly. I think the colours of supermans costume looked dull aswell.
Believe it or not, John Wraith was indeed a character in the X-Men comics (named Kestrel), and was probably the most accurately portrayed in the film, both looks and power-wise. I actually recognized him, as opposed to "Agent Zero" (also known as "Maverick" in the comics).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kestrel_%28Marvel_...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kestrel_%28Marvel_...
m@tt wrote: Your absolutley right, the costumes play a very important role in the comic book world and it was a bad move on Singers part not to go with the original costumes, i hated it when Hugh Jackman said what was you expecting yellow spandex? we'll yes quite frankly. I think the colours of supermans costume looked dull aswell.
It was Cyclops, not Wolverine. I don't think the original costumes would have worked on film. Wolverine's is fairly ludicrous.
It was Cyclops, not Wolverine. I don't think the original costumes would have worked on film. Wolverine's is fairly ludicrous.
I am not a fanboy, but I hated this film just based on general film criticism. Plot holes, empty silly acting and empty action scenes oh my. I will say this though, better then GI Joe: The Rise of Cobra and his wife in the film was really hot.
yesiamaplant wrote: Believe it or not, John Wraith was indeed a character in the X-Men comics (named Kestrel), and was probably the most accurately portrayed in the film, both looks and power-wise. I actually recognized him, as opposed to "Agent Zero" (also known as "Maverick" in the comics).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kestrel_%28Marvel_...
That's funny. I'd never heard of him, and read an interview were Donner said they made up the character for him... I guess I should've done a little more research, but I think my point mostly stands. There's only so much time in the day anyway. It's funny, I almost cut that whole part of the paragraph too. I was afraid it was running too long and annoying.
I was less incensed by Agent Zero because he wasn't created just to pacify a c**ppy actor. I never put together that he could be Maverick. I guess that works.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kestrel_%28Marvel_...
That's funny. I'd never heard of him, and read an interview were Donner said they made up the character for him... I guess I should've done a little more research, but I think my point mostly stands. There's only so much time in the day anyway. It's funny, I almost cut that whole part of the paragraph too. I was afraid it was running too long and annoying.
I was less incensed by Agent Zero because he wasn't created just to pacify a c**ppy actor. I never put together that he could be Maverick. I guess that works.
m@tt wrote: Marcus1138 wrote: m@tt wrote: The X-men deserve their original costumes back lol. This film was daft.
You laugh, but I honestly think X-Men need the brighter costumes. Silk Spectre proved it workable in Watchmen I think.
Your absolutley right, the costumes play a very important role in the comic book world and it was a bad move on Singers part not to go with the original costumes, i hated it when Hugh Jackman said what was you expecting yellow spandex? we'll yes quite frankly. I think the colours of supermans costume looked dull aswell.
Totally agree. There was no need for that and the change of symbol was ridiculous as well.
Chris Gould wrote: m@tt wrote: Your absolutley right, the costumes play a very important role in the comic book world and it was a bad move on Singers part not to go with the original costumes, i hated it when Hugh Jackman said what was you expecting yellow spandex? we'll yes quite frankly. I think the colours of supermans costume looked dull aswell.
It was Cyclops, not Wolverine. I don't think the original costumes would have worked on film. Wolverine's is fairly ludicrous.
Maybe not exact copies and granted Wolvy would have been ludicrous (though I would have liked to see it hinted at in at least one film - maybe as an early phase of his path towards the wife beater
) but the black leather really took away an important element of what makes X-men, X-men and made it all a little generic for me.
Despite loving the second one, this was my biggest issue with all the X-men movies, there's nothing really that special about the characters, there'as no play on just how great these mutants could be on film, no really nuts show of their mutant powers or anything, the makers just seem obsessed with "this has to fit into the real world" which frankly just limits how good this franchise could actually be.
You laugh, but I honestly think X-Men need the brighter costumes. Silk Spectre proved it workable in Watchmen I think.
Your absolutley right, the costumes play a very important role in the comic book world and it was a bad move on Singers part not to go with the original costumes, i hated it when Hugh Jackman said what was you expecting yellow spandex? we'll yes quite frankly. I think the colours of supermans costume looked dull aswell.
Totally agree. There was no need for that and the change of symbol was ridiculous as well.
Chris Gould wrote: m@tt wrote: Your absolutley right, the costumes play a very important role in the comic book world and it was a bad move on Singers part not to go with the original costumes, i hated it when Hugh Jackman said what was you expecting yellow spandex? we'll yes quite frankly. I think the colours of supermans costume looked dull aswell.
It was Cyclops, not Wolverine. I don't think the original costumes would have worked on film. Wolverine's is fairly ludicrous.
Maybe not exact copies and granted Wolvy would have been ludicrous (though I would have liked to see it hinted at in at least one film - maybe as an early phase of his path towards the wife beater
Despite loving the second one, this was my biggest issue with all the X-men movies, there's nothing really that special about the characters, there'as no play on just how great these mutants could be on film, no really nuts show of their mutant powers or anything, the makers just seem obsessed with "this has to fit into the real world" which frankly just limits how good this franchise could actually be.
Chris Gould wrote: m@tt wrote: Your absolutley right, the costumes play a very important role in the comic book world and it was a bad move on Singers part not to go with the original costumes, i hated it when Hugh Jackman said what was you expecting yellow spandex? we'll yes quite frankly. I think the colours of supermans costume looked dull aswell.
It was Cyclops, not Wolverine. I don't think the original costumes would have worked on film. Wolverine's is fairly ludicrous.
Your so pedantic. Long time since i've seen the films but anyway change the costumes and they could be anybody, the colourful costumes, and powers must remain intact otherwise they might as well make up own their superheros. If they can make it work for the guy in the big red cape and bright red boots then why not the X-men?
It was Cyclops, not Wolverine. I don't think the original costumes would have worked on film. Wolverine's is fairly ludicrous.
Your so pedantic. Long time since i've seen the films but anyway change the costumes and they could be anybody, the colourful costumes, and powers must remain intact otherwise they might as well make up own their superheros. If they can make it work for the guy in the big red cape and bright red boots then why not the X-men?
m@tt wrote: If they can make it work for the guy in the big red cape and bright red boots then why not the X-men?
well Singer is gay right? so black, tight leather isn't that big a surprise.
well Singer is gay right? so black, tight leather isn't that big a surprise.
[quote=Bouncy X wrote][quote=m@tt wrote]If they can make it work for the guy in the big red cape and bright red boots then why not the X-men?[/quote]
well Singer is gay right? so black, tight leather isn't that big a surprise. :P[/quote]
I did not know that, lol.
well Singer is gay right? so black, tight leather isn't that big a surprise. :P[/quote]
I did not know that, lol.
This movie sucked
I really enjoyed this, it's easily better than X-Men 3.
I have another question, given that this is a prequel. Where are the amnesia bullets in the prior X-Men movies?
I have another question, given that this is a prequel. Where are the amnesia bullets in the prior X-Men movies?
I don't understand your question Bradavon. Do you mean 'Why didn't Stryker use it again in Part 2?'
m@tt wrote: Your so pedantic. Long time since i've seen the films but anyway change the costumes and they could be anybody, the colourful costumes, and powers must remain intact otherwise they might as well make up own their superheros. If they can make it work for the guy in the big red cape and bright red boots then why not the X-men?
Besides the fact that I personally don't think the costumes would've worked tonally with Singer's universe, there was also the matter of The Matrix. The black uniforms were a mix of Singer wanting to 'keep it real' and the fact that he was asked to ape the black leather used in the Matrix. On a similar note check out the first and second movie costumes and compare them to the space suits in Mario Bava's Planet of the Vampires.
m@tt wrote: Your so pedantic. Long time since i've seen the films but anyway change the costumes and they could be anybody, the colourful costumes, and powers must remain intact otherwise they might as well make up own their superheros. If they can make it work for the guy in the big red cape and bright red boots then why not the X-men?
Besides the fact that I personally don't think the costumes would've worked tonally with Singer's universe, there was also the matter of The Matrix. The black uniforms were a mix of Singer wanting to 'keep it real' and the fact that he was asked to ape the black leather used in the Matrix. On a similar note check out the first and second movie costumes and compare them to the space suits in Mario Bava's Planet of the Vampires.
Haha - brilliant.


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Disc Details
Release Date:
15th September 2009
Discs:
2
Disc Type:
Blu-ray Disc
RCE:
No
Video:
1080p
Aspect:
2.35:1
Anamorphic:
No
Colour:
Yes
Audio:
DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 English, Dolby Digital 5.1 Spanish, Dolby Digital 5.1 French, Dolby Digital 5.1 Portuguese, Dolby Digital 5.1 Descriptive Track
Subtitles:
English SDH, Spanish, Cantonese, Mandarin, Portuguese
Extras:
Director Commentary, Producers Commentary, The Roots of Wolverine, Wolverine Unleashed, Weapon X Mutant Files, The Thrill of the Chase, Ultimate X-Mode Bonusview, Deleted and Alternate Scenes, Fox Movie Channel Presnets World Premiere, Trailers, BDLive, Digital Copy
Easter Egg:
No
Feature Details
Director:
Gavin Hood
Cast:
Hugh Jackman, Liev Schreiber, Danny Huston, Dominic Monaghan, Ryan Reynolds
Genre:
Action, Adventure and Sci-Fi
Length:
107 minutes


